Breaking News Trust asked by club to contribute to tour AGAIN

[Jam_Man]

I'm not sure why the word "outrage" is being thrown around. I'm not seeing much outrage. I'm seeing people give decent and valid reasons for voting no.

The first two posts in the thread use "Bloody Cheek" and "tell them to do one", Im sure if I read further Ill find more.

The tone of a lot of the posts are morethan just giving valid reasons.:smile:

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

I'M SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW :angry:

I'm suddenly reminded of my school days and Steve Wright in the Afternoon on Radio One with his character Mr Angry


<< wanders off to see if he can find anything online about him >>

 

[ldnfatso]

I'm suddenly reminded of my school days and Steve Wright in the Afternoon on Radio One with his character Mr Angry


<< wanders off to see if he can find anything online about him >>

"ooooohh i could crush a grape"

That was my school days.

No from me btw!

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

"ooooohh i could crush a grape"

That was my school days.

No from me!

figures ...

 

[tottenham541]

in the words of grange hill.......just say noooooooooooooo.

 

[Blue_Shrimper1959]

Now I know people say that the pre season trip (playing at one ground is NOT a tour) last season helped get us a whisker away from promotion (maybe it did) but I wonder if someone could find out where the promoted teams from league two played pre season, if these "tours" help so much. The manager likes the idea - paid holiday, who wouldn't!!

As for team spirit and bonding - Tilly never needed a week away for that !!

As for 10k to the youth team, how many players have come through the youth team and played 1st team football since the Trust started putting money into them. Also how long have the Trust been doing so and how much has been invested in that time ??? Now if we were Crewe I could see the benefits...

It is off topic, but I do have to pick you up on the Trust's donation to youth. It's a fantastic thing they're doing by donating money for our own youth development system, and I've said before in a different post the players who were U7's when Ricky Duncan & Luke Hobbs joined will be coming through in the next few years and it is then when we can decide if the the system is a success. Crewe set up their system back in the 80's and need far far more than £10k to keep their academy running to the standard it's at now.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

<< wanders off to see if he can find anything online about him >>

there's very little about, and this is about the best of a poor bunch

http://www.radiorewind.co.uk/sounds/stevewright_mrangry1984.mp3

I seem to recall him going on and on in an ever increasing apoplectic rage until he cut himself off, it was so funny i literally used to cry with laughter .. maybe i've just got old and my humour levels have changed :blush:

 

[Shrimperstrust]

The Trust welcomes the recent discussion surrounding the poll of members as to whether to make a contribution towards the Spanish Tour. However, we believe that it would be helpful to outline some key facts about the timing and magnitude of the approach by the club to prevent any misunderstanding.

We told the club that they should not assume that the £10,000 donation to the youth department would automatically be supplied from Trust funds. We did this in plenty of time to enable the club to consider a new sponsor.

The club approached us for funds to contribute with the tour; some specific figures were outlined and two possible locations (not Spain) suggested. We agreed to take this to the committee.

At committee level, we agreed to limit contributions to the club for this year to an expected amount to be received based on planned future events. This was principally because we wanted to stop the reduction in our assets that has occurred in recent seasons.

Some weeks passed and no further news about the tour was received. It was now time to make a definite decision about our continued support of the youth department, and as a committee we decided we could afford the contribution.

Just before the Tour was announced, Paul FitzGerald, the Trust Chaiman received an email detailing the location and asking whether we would be prepared to contribute.

The following Monday we discussed the finances and the request at the Liaison meeting with the club.

Therefore:
• It is not fair to say the club did not approach us - they did
• However we did not commit either way as we were expecting more detail
• When that detail was provided we had already committed to the youth department
• If the contribution idea is agreed by members, We will suggest a 50/50 split with the club which means the donation is likely to be less than £5,000.

Our belief is that this question is not really about the tour, it is about whether we allow funds to be reduced again this year under the assumption that we cannot generate another £3,000-£5,000 in revenue (which might still be possible with the club's help).

 

[OldBlueLady]

Ok, just to clarify some things, I appreciate that not everyone commenting is a Trust member, so I'm going to quote from the published Committee Minutes for the meeting on 15th May:

PRE-SEASON TOUR - The proposed start date for the tour was confirmed as 23rd July, however as yet no firm decision had been made as to location/country.

Now, there had been an off the record conversation as to potential venues, which I think many other non committee members were aware of. As it turned out, the tour destination was to neither of those mentioned countries and it was not on the "confirmed" date! How do Zoners expect the Trust committee to be able to agree to fund something which was not known until our meeting this month?!

There has been the conversation about "to help, not to hinder" and that is precisely why the committee is split and that is precisely why this has been put out to the membership to vote on.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

I think my biggest gripe is that the club is asking us the fans to pay for their **** up in the sun whilst not really encouraging fans to go (you can meet us at Gatwick and you can get on the same plane as us but once we get to Spain you're on your own pal)

 

[Beefy]

I think my biggest gripe is that the club is asking us the fans to pay for their **** up in the sun whilst not really encouraging fans to go (you can meet us at Gatwick and you can get on the same plane as us but once we get to Spain you're on your own pal)

Yeah I partly feel that way. It seems that last year's tour was a success so it was always on the cards that there would be one this year. I appreciate that it must be much more difficult to organise a decent tour for a League Two club than it would be for a larger club but I feel that there was an opportunity here for a chance to do something in conjunction with the Trust to really create a memorable trip for the players and the fans. Instead they've arranged and announced it at a point where it's logistically impossible for many fans to make it and then had the cheek to ask those same fans to pay for it.

It doesn't sit well with me and I've read nothing in this thread to make me regret my 'no' vote.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

Yeah I partly feel that way. It seems that last year's tour was a success so it was always on the cards that there would be one this year. I appreciate that it must be much more difficult to organise a decent tour for a League Two club than it would be for a larger club but I feel that there was an opportunity here for a chance to do something in conjunction with the Trust to really create a memorable trip for the players and the fans. Instead they've arranged and announced it at a point where it's logistically impossible for many fans to make it and then had the cheek to ask those same fans to pay for it.

It doesn't sit well with me and I've read nothing in this thread to make me regret my 'no' vote.

My thoughts totally and utterly, badly planned, badly timed and a no vote from me too

 

[Tinks]

Well I have casted my vote and added some comments to support my decision.
We also have to be mindful that in the present climate raising monies and funds is so much harder than a few years ago and the propossed amount would leave a "dent" in the balance.

My own personal view is that of them being "cheeky" and I have read what the majority have stated here on the zone.
Do they really need to go to Spain for a pre-season tour? as this is both expensive for them and for some of the supporters that would like to go however, if my work said to me "would you like to go to Spain for a few days and pay nothing" I think I know what my answer would be.

 

[Tinks]

oh and I am glad the Trust has put this out for all members to vote on

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

oh and I am glad the Trust has put this out for all members to vote on

So am i, though i do feel it should've been mentioned earlier seeing as how they knew about it

 

[jamesmut2000]

Can someone explain to me the difference between funding a 1st team tour and funding the youth team who also go on tour? The Trust have given the youth setup £10k again and this donation apparently didn't need to be voted on by the members yet we need to have a vote for half that amount for the 1st team? How much have the Trust donated over the years to the youth setup and it's never been questioned?

 

[Kent Shrimper]

Can someone explain to me the difference between funding a 1st team tour and funding the youth team who also go on tour? The Trust have given the youth setup £10k again and this donation apparently didn't need to be voted on by the members yet we need to have a vote for half that amount for the 1st team? How much have the Trust donated over the years to the youth setup and it's never been questioned?

A very valid point and a good question

 

[OldBlueLady]

Can someone explain to me the difference between funding a 1st team tour and funding the youth team who also go on tour? The Trust have given the youth setup £10k again and this donation apparently didn't need to be voted on by the members yet we need to have a vote for half that amount for the 1st team? How much have the Trust donated over the years to the youth setup and it's never been questioned?

James, you've been at enough Q&As with Ricky Duncan to know how much he values the Trust's sponsorship of the youth team, because that's what it is...sponsorship, not simply a donation. He gives back to us in other ways that are maybe not apparent, like providing coaching sessions for Southend Junior Shrimpers for instance.

 

[jamesmut2000]

James, you've been at enough Q&As with Ricky Duncan to know how much he values the Trust's sponsorship of the youth team, because that's what it is...sponsorship, not simply a donation. He gives back to us in other ways that are maybe not apparent, like providing coaching sessions for Southend Junior Shrimpers for instance.

I don't doubt how much Ricky values the trust sponsorship Kay. That wasn't my point. My point was that how comes the Trust committee feel able to donate/sponsor such a large amount of money to one part of the whole club and feel that it is not necessary to consult its members, yet when another part of the same club come asking for less sponsorship then we have to have this debate and a vote? I may be being extremely stupid but I can't see how the trust are willing TO HELP the youth setup yet seem to want TO HINDER the 1st team setup?

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

I'm not sure how they're hindering the first team. The club can afford to take the players to Spain, they'll go whether the Trust chip in or not.