Transfer Embargo, Winding Up Petition & Staff Salary Issues

[Cockle43]

TBF they aren't usually on that long, maybe it was sorting out the media equipment requirements?

Having worked on OB's at various grounds that is almost certainly the case, the set up, sound and sightline checks are normally done under the match lighting conditions.

I also noticed that BT didn't use the usual camera and commentary positions that Sky and the BBC have in the past, that would have required new temporary cabling and that can't be done in poor lighting conditions for reasons of H&S. Obviously fresh provisioning and camera positioning had been done as I saw a photo on SM of a ladder that had been left across some seats in the South Upper...
Believe it, or not, OB's don't just consist of a camera and a commentator just rocking up an hour before kick off. Technology has moved on a bit from my days when we were still providing analogue links but we used to be setting up at least the day before. Loved a Monday or Boxing day game...

 

[TJC]

Personally, I don't think Ron is trying to destroy the club, he simply has blown everything on trying to keep the relocation dream alive and all those pots of liquidity between his many companies is drying up that he was able to 'borrow' from before. His determination has made him blinkered to the damage he is doing to the club and staff not being able to pay bills in an already challanging time. He has tunnel vision of the rainbow at the end, and not concerned who he tramples on to get there.
Hes within touching distance of the end game, but like last time, external circumstances have conspired against him. The recessioin 2008/9 partly killed off the last attempt and now seem to have even worse head winds.
I'm sure Ron would love nothing more than realising his dream of the relocation and having a successful football club at the end of it. It would boost his ego no end.
But the drive to realise this dream is sailing very close to the edge, and seems he is now heading into very deep murky waters. One wrong move now, and it all comes crumbling down.

Despite all the noise that there is a queue of people who want to engage with Ron to buy the club, I cannot see any other reason than to snatch the crock of gold that awaits whoever pushes the relocation over the line. Nothing I have seen or heard suggest that anyone will have any more resources to call upon for the good of the football club. No rich film stars are in queue that I know of.
I know many will disagree, but I think we have to stick with the devil that we know and just hope he gets it over the line so we can move on. Far from ideal, but hopefully we are close to releasing further funding once the training ground is complete and can move onto the stadium development.
It would be comforting (or not!) to know what the capital release markers are. Once trainng ground is complete, I understand further funding will be released. Whats the next after that? And will the funds to continue development be swallowed up by accruing debts?

 

[TJC]

That is just simply not true, There are people who have shown interest in buying into the project but RM has refused to talk to them, not that he is greedy of course.

So its not just others trying to get a cheap ticket into a slice of the pie? In which case, you could level the same greed label at those wanting in on the project? Afraid I agree with Tommy here. The only offers we hear about a backed by pension funds that will only want a guaranteed profit. As soon as it comes to bank rolling a club, any pension fund would (should) run a mile.
Sadly, once the development is done, the club has no tangerable assets to attract anyone to invest.

 

[Target man]

Personally, I don't think Ron is trying to destroy the club, he simply has blown everything on trying to keep the relocation dream alive and all those pots of liquidity between his many companies is drying up that he was able to 'borrow' from before. His determination has made him blinkered to the damage he is doing to the club and staff not being able to pay bills in an already challanging time. He has tunnel vision of the rainbow at the end, and not concerned who he tramples on to get there.
Hes within touching distance of the end game, but like last time, external circumstances have conspired against him. The recessioin 2008/9 partly killed off the last attempt and now seem to have even worse head winds.
I'm sure Ron would love nothing more than realising his dream of the relocation and having a successful football club at the end of it. It would boost his ego no end.
But the drive to realise this dream is sailing very close to the edge, and seems he is now heading into very deep murky waters. One wrong move now, and it all comes crumbling down.

Despite all the noise that there is a queue of people who want to engage with Ron to buy the club, I cannot see any other reason than to snatch the crock of gold that awaits whoever pushes the relocation over the line. Nothing I have seen or heard suggest that anyone will have any more resources to call upon for the good of the football club. No rich film stars are in queue that I know of.
I know many will disagree, but I think we have to stick with the devil that we know and just hope he gets it over the line so we can move on. Far from idea, but hopefully we are close to releasing further funding once the training ground is complete and can move onto the stadium development.
It would be comforting (or not!) to know what the capital release markers are. Once trainng ground is complete, I understand further funding will be released. Whats the next after that? And will the funds to continue development be swallowed up by accruing debts?

You're correct in much of what you have said, but this rainbow dream is in serious danger of collapsing and turning SUFC into another Bury, whilst the employees suffer financial losses amd cannot pay their bills in seriously difficult financial times for everyone.

He should be talking to potential investors and agreeing a shared deal with them to take a cut of that dream when it's completed, then walking away, to ensure staff are paid and the club doesn't dissolve.

He won't though.

He will continue to mislead his board, not engage with anyone, sell bulls##t to the HMRC, allow our reputation to gather mud and give no damn about loyal staff being paid.... as long as he gets every penny he dreams of.

He's not trying to ruin the club, but his actions are doing just that.

 

[leeblue]

Though Colin has done really well, I believe that we need a GK and also a creative attacking cm to compliment the existing cm - Hussin is not that player for me.

The icing on the cake would be as someone said last night we 'hope' to score rather than 'expect' to score - whilst a lot of Teams are in that same boat what would we give for a 20 a season player??

Great shout on the keeper.

 

[leeblue]

Depends on whether we lose any of our players in the January window.

Hobson's contract is running out and due to the embargo we can't extend it at the moment. Lopata I'm sure is being scouted as well as Kensdale.

If we lost one, am sure we could survive. Two???

Yeah I started a thread the other day i the possibility of losing one of the back 3.

 

[TJC]

He should be talking to potential investors and agreeing a shared deal with them to take a cut of that dream when it's completed, then walking away, to ensure staff are paid the club doesn't dissolve.

Totally agree. It makes perfect sense to engage with someone to help keep the project viable and be able to pay what is owed on time. He just sees it as someone trying to take a piece of what he has worked so hard and long for. No harm in listening to offers. If there really are that many, one must be palatable to him. He won't know if he won't listen to any of them which is so frustrating. He cleary isn't in the mood to do that. He is risking the whole end game for himself and the club, but clearing isn't interested, or simply hasn't had what he sees as a viable proposal.

 

[Jai]

Any chance we can raise 400k between us and stick him in the jungle with Hancock ..... permanently!! I'll gladly contribute....

I'd rather spend loads of cash on a private investigator to find out the true situation is at our club.

 

[Fairport]

You're correct in much of what you have said, but this rainbow dream is in serious danger of collapsing and turning SUFC into another Bury, whilst the employees suffer financial losses amd cannot pay their bills in seriously difficult financial times for everyone.

He should be talking to potential investors and agreeing a shared deal with them to take a cut of that dream when it's completed, then walking away, to ensure staff are paid and the club doesn't dissolve.

He won't though.

He will continue to mislead his board, not engage with anyone, sell bulls##t to the HMRC, allow our reputation to gather mud and give no damn about loyal staff being paid.... as long as he gets every penny he dreams of.

He's not trying to ruin the club, but his actions are doing just that.

Exactly this!

 

[Chrisb]

Totally agree. It makes perfect sense to engage with someone to help keep the project viable and be able to pay what is owed on time. He just sees it as someone trying to take a piece of what he has worked so hard and long for. No harm in listening to offers. If there really are that many, one must be palatable to him. He won't know if he won't listen to any of them which is so frustrating. He cleary isn't in the mood to do that. He is risking the whole end game for himself and the club, but clearing isn't interested, or simply hasn't had what he sees as a viable proposal.

Absolutely - as soon as he realised he would not be able to properly fund the running of the club, whilst waiting for his pot of gold, he should at least have spoken to potential investors. Pure greed and no regard for the employees of the club or other companies owed money.

 

[brigadista]

Personally, I don't think Ron is trying to destroy the club, he simply has blown everything on trying to keep the relocation dream alive and all those pots of liquidity between his many companies is drying up that he was able to 'borrow' from before. His determination has made him blinkered to the damage he is doing to the club and staff not being able to pay bills in an already challanging time. He has tunnel vision of the rainbow at the end, and not concerned who he tramples on to get there.
Hes within touching distance of the end game, but like last time, external circumstances have conspired against him. The recessioin 2008/9 partly killed off the last attempt and now seem to have even worse head winds.
I'm sure Ron would love nothing more than realising his dream of the relocation and having a successful football club at the end of it. It would boost his ego no end.
But the drive to realise this dream is sailing very close to the edge, and seems he is now heading into very deep murky waters. One wrong move now, and it all comes crumbling down.

Absolutely spot on to this point. His priority is and always has been to asset strip the club and make a killing off it's assets (land). That runs in complete contradiction to the running of a successful and sustainable football club when his only goal is profit through disposing of/exploiting it's assets.
I believe that due to this contradiction and his own incompetence in business/general organisation, he will take the club down trying to achieve said profit.

 

[Target man]

Totally agree. It makes perfect sense to engage with someone to help keep the project viable and be able to pay what is owed on time. He just sees it as someone trying to take a piece of what he has worked so hard and long for. No harm in listening to offers. If there really are that many, one must be palatable to him. He won't know if he won't listen to any of them which is so frustrating. He cleary isn't in the mood to do that. He is risking the whole end game for himself and the club, but clearing isn't interested, or simply hasn't had what he sees as a viable proposal.

Agreed he has put 20 years investment of time and money in so should walk away with a fair deal ....

But what is viable in his eyes? 95% - 5% split no doubt ....

He won't even entertain engaging with one potential investor .... so no one knows!!

 

[Tampa Blue]

So how would you suggest the pre match preparations, warm-ups, TV set up alongside the post-game warm downs, remedial pitch works and security checks are done in the dark?

Pre match - they don't need all 4 of the lights on at 5.30 for a 7.45 kick off, warm downs again don't need all the lights. Remedial pitch work next day in the light. Someone did point out that these times may be for the TV crews which is a good point that I had not considered doh!

I was also told that we get an extra £6k for being televised on top of the annual amount. Well we clearly lost that as a combination of Notts supporters watching from home and a large electricity bill !!

Anyway, it was a great match and a great atmosphere.

Can you just begin to imagine what the support and atmosphere would be like with a competent owner?

 

[Holy Joe]

Absolutely spot on to this point. His priority is and always has been to asset strip the club and make a killing off it's assets (land). That runs in complete contradiction to the running of a successful and sustainable football club when his only goal is profit through disposing of/exploiting it's assets.
I believe that due to this contradiction and his own incompetence in business/general organisation, he will take the club down trying to achieve said profit.

So incompetent that it's taking him 20+ years to achieve, it should only take a competent asset stripper a few years to bankrupt a club

 

[Mad Cyril]

A friend of mine lives by the ground and we had this conversation after the match, the lights were on from 5-30 to 11-30 - madness!!!!!!!! Such an easy way to save money ...................come on Tom sort something that simple out

Pitch preparation and repair I would have thought

 

[tommy tucker]

Yeah I started a thread the other day i the possibility of losing one of the back 3.

Dont you think Notts county are worred that there will be many suiters trying to pull there top scoring talisman away from them come january .I doubt anyone will move on in jan the summer maybe a diffrent matter if we dont get promoted .

 

[TJC]

So incompetent that it's taking him 20+ years to achieve, it should only take a competent asset stripper a few years to bankrupt a club

Exactly why I think he wasn't purely here to asset strip. He wanted it all. The knight in shining armour and a tidy profit at the end of it.
Sadly, the armour is more than a little tarnished now and seems that the villain that was Vic, wasn't so bad after all. I recall Ron lambasting his predessor for not running the club efficently and running up large debts. Seems quite ironic now.
Looking back at our chairmen of the past, we are never going to get the fairy tail, so I expect the next one will be much the same sadly.

 

[Cricko]

Dont you think Notts county are worred that there will be many suiters trying to pull there top scoring talisman away from them come january .I doubt anyone will move on in jan the summer maybe a diffrent matter if we dont get promoted .

Can we keep the thread on topic please.

 

[Mr Browns Ghost]

I’m

If he asks for an adjournment, that would take us to the time when he is expecting funding to be released won't it?

Last night will have helped, I don't know how much BT pays but it will have provided some funds. Another home game Saturday, which hopefully will draw some more money in after seeing last night's game on TV.

It is a minor miracle that the team are performing so well with all the crap going on in the background.

not sure it does to be honest of course every penny helps I just think we are in such an absolute buggers muddle that it’s literally a drop in the ocean 10k here 10k there … I’m more concered about the embargo remaining . I keep hearing we don’t need any signings but clearly that’s not what the manage means thinks as 1s been lost to the embargo and we were very close to pulling the trigger on a couple more .. we will be paper thin over the busy Christmas and new year period

 

[southendkid]

Absolutely spot on to this point. His priority is and always has been to asset strip the club and make a killing off it's assets (land).

If that was true Ron wouldn't be giving us a competitive playing budget, half the reason we're in this mess is because we overspent on wages to try and chase promotion and it didn't work, that's the opposite of what an asset stripper would do.

It's probably easier in some fans' minds to imagine Ron as a mustache twirling villain because it implies that if he went we'd become financially stable overnight but it's much more likely that he's just **** at financial management and he was too stubborn to admit it for too long. Because of that we've got to the point that the figures don't add up now even with capable people like TL in charge.