Transfer Embargo, Winding Up Petition & Staff Salary Issues

[Medway Blue]

How many of you have met Ron, or know someone of his personality(S)?
He won't lose (much) sleep about the Trust or A N Other, withdrawing, or that he lacks support, or going his own way, or cutting words .

Bad publicity for OUR club hurts us more than him.

Play the long game, keep the aims in focus, not transient personalities.
in no odrer; (lol) Football League status, new complete training ground, new complete stadium, financial independent solvency, 15,000 crowds, win a cup game, onions

Just can't agree with this, don't think our club can be hurt anymore than it already has been. You could argue another relegation/liquidation would of course hurt more but I can't see the Trust finally turning on RM causing either of those two things.

We need to stop being so passive. Where is the fight?

 

[TrueBlue]

If you trust Stan, then that is what I believe he is saying.

What would be interesting, and it's almost certainly not for a public forum given he is an employee of the club, is to ask Stan what fans can do to gain confidence in the longer term plans.

Oh I trust Stan for sure, but Stan is still new at the club and the current situation, we as fans on the other hand have have this ongoing circus since 1998

 

[Medway Blue]

Those are all fair points, but sadly (and through nowones fault) perhaps 5 years too late.

For me It still boils down to can you honestly see ron selling this late into the game? You know first hand how stubborn he is.

But you also know how thin-skinned he is. We're yet to test it because we're so collectively apathetic but I think he'd buckle and make concessions if the pressure is ramped up high enough. Would need to be higher and more sustained pressure than we've mustered so far though, and much more creative than a few mumbled "we want Martin out" at matches.

 

[JAL]

Protest on the pitch at dagenham live on bt sport

If there's even a peep that this would happen, or even a protest, BT would pull the plug on broadcasting that match.

 

[TrueBlue]

The Trust is NOT in the blame.
The Trust does a good job in it's very limited capabilities; it appears some are believing it holds some top cards, it doesn't BUT it tries to positive steer and prod a direction; it is volunteer run, non profit and, imo, under appreciated

And repeating the protest protest, calling out "key board", "grow some" stuff isn't helping either.

Support the team, squad, amigos, staff, stewards, programme sellers etc; they need and deserve our support.

Trust are not to blame - correct
Trust does a good job - correct

My only caveat to that is I think they now need to lead us and change their stance on the club and help with the things I have said in an earlier post.

 

[Strykr]

But you also know how thin-skinned he is. We're yet to test it because we're so collectively apathetic but I think he'd buckle and make concessions if the pressure is ramped up high enough. Would need to be higher and more sustained pressure than we've mustered so far though, and much more creative than a few mumbled "we want Martin out" at matches.

Maybe im just too jaded by it all, but i think the only person thats gonna take ron out of the club is ron.

Im more than willing to be convinced otherwise though.

 

[Medway Blue]

The gain is it projects to fans that the trust have had enough in turn that would get reported in the media which is good exposure for what’s going on (the more people nationwide that know about the southend situation the more chance of ownership interest) Then the next step is working and speaking to interested parties about potential take overs.

It’s also going to allow the trust to act in a different manner and do different things that they would not really be able to ethically while working with the club.

The most important thing is the message it sends to everybody. I hate to use the Blackpool situation again but it’s the one I am best versed in, their trust did exactly the above.

This is all however a decision the trust has to make themselves, I’m a life member and ex committee member (roughly 10 years on it) and that’s what I would do but that’s just my opinion.

1000%. Scotty's worded that better than I could, but I'm wandering around Disney World! This is what I was trying to say myself further up. The message that's given to everybody is important and unfortunately, at the moment, we come across as a bit of a laughing stock of a fanbase. Being taken advantage of and having the **** taken out of us, rolling over and letting him tickle our bellies whilst he ravages our club and its reputation.

 

[TrueBlue]

Maybe, personally I dont think ron gives a flying **** what the trust or any of us think or do tbh.

But In my view it does not matter what Ron thinks it’s the message you are sending out to football fans. Southend fans, trust members.

Also I would wager Ron and knowing his ego would give a **** to some extent, he’s relied on the trust for years after all.

 

[Strykr]

But In my view it does not matter what Ron thinks it’s the message you are sending out to football fans. Southend fans, trust members.

Also I would wager Ron and knowing his ego would give a **** to some extent, he’s relied on the trust for years after all.

If your correct, perhaps its worth a try then, im not fully au fait with just how much ron uses/needs the trust. I do know from his actions over many years he tends to proceed doing things his way, and he seems to view anyone that isnt pumping thousands into the club to keep it afloat as an inferior supporter who doesnt ****ing love the club as much as him.

 

[Holy Joe]

The gain is it projects to fans that the trust have had enough in turn that would get reported in the media which is good exposure for what’s going on (the more people nationwide that know about the southend situation the more chance of ownership interest) Then the next step is working and speaking to interested parties about potential take overs.

It’s also going to allow the trust to act in a different manner and do different things that they would not really be able to ethically while working with the club.

The most important thing is the message it sends to everybody. I hate to use the Blackpool situation again but it’s the one I am best versed in, their trust did exactly the above.

This is all however a decision the trust has to make themselves, I’m a life member and ex committee member (roughly 10 years on it) and that’s what I would do but that’s just my opinion.

Out of interest do you know if Carl spoke with the Trust at all regarding his proposed take over?

 

[TrueBlue]

Those are all fair points, but sadly (and through nowones fault) perhaps 5 years too late.

For me It still boils down to can you honestly see ron selling this late into the game? You know first hand how stubborn he is.

Better late than never though

I can see Ron selling if the right offer was there as I think most sane business people would.
It’s not like there is zero interest because there is interest and that in itself has to bring a degree of hope.

Not only that but there is need also for clarity from Ron if he will not sell as to what his plans are and if that is exit after the stadium is built then again the trust need to be a part of that to ensure we have new decent ownership. So either way action is neededZ

 

[jphfitz]

Out of interest do you know if Carl spoke with the Trust at all regarding his proposed take over?

I can confirm Carl has spoken with the Trust regarding his position.

 

[TrueBlue]

I’m with you, but no way the trust will do it. All rather abit odd to me personally.

That’s a decision for them to make, I’m just building the case for a change in strategy/direction, if they choose to carry on in the same way so be it but I really think they have tried long enough on the same path.

 

[Shrimper]

Ron won't sell until FF is done. That's just a fact

 

[TrueBlue]

Out of interest do you know if Carl spoke with the Trust at all regarding his proposed take over?

He speaks to me and our Save our Southend group since I know him personally, but we recognise that this quite rightly is something the trust has to be involved in. I can’t reveal much as this is all business sensitive, as for the trust I can ask the question or if somebody from the trust can confirm.

As it stands though I don’t believe he has but I can’t say for sure. Will report back to you Matt

 

[TrueBlue]

I can confirm Carl has spoken with the Trust regarding his position.

Ahhh good clears up my previous post which I posted before I read yours JP

I did say to him that the trust is the right route for this.

 

[sufc4life21]

Maybe im just too jaded by it all, but i think the only person thats gonna take ron out of the club is ron.

Im more than willing to be convinced otherwise though.

Your probably right..... but that does leave the club and its fanbase in a sad desperate state. Fans will start to drift away which will be harmful for the club long term. I'll be honest here iv stopped going myself due to not seeing change at the top and I'm sure others will follow in the future. Personally I think Southend united are ****ed with no way out other than to start again. I know it's unpopular decision to start a new club but can it be that bad though..... has to be better than where we are at now. We are currently relying on bent owner to build new stadium. Doesn't sound very good to me.

 

[tommy tucker]

What has the ceo have to say about yet another embargo .We was told Ron has left the day to day running of the club So will he make a statement to the fans .

 

[Shrimpet steve]

Every club in this league and most clubs in the efl are in the same boat as us! Ron gets singled out as his reputation proceeds him.This isnt even worth this discussion as ron always pays the tax eventually and we go again.

 

[tommy tucker]

When does our 12 point deduction from the NL start?

never a club does not get points deducted for non payment of tax .