Transfer Embargo, Winding Up Petition & Staff Salary Issues

[TrueBlue]

Don’t think fans accept defeat . Some just feel best time to do protests etc is not during the game and affect the players . think if it was before , after or at half time majority will back protests

But I have not mentioned protests, as I said in the other thread this only works coming from a multitude of angles, protests on there own simply won’t work at this stage, yes it’s a tool we could use but this fight has to be one that has as little effect to the players. Etc..,

 

[Sufc.2008]

they won't want to go and do it there if there are protests and noise that has nothing to do with them

It has everything to do with them - they're part of the club. If other employees at my company weren't being paid, but I was - I'd be with them and completely understand that it's not acceptable.

RM doesn't attend games at the minute anyways - I know he has some front, but I'd be very surprised if he turned up at the minute regardless of protests!

 

[JAL]

It has everything to do with them - they're part of the club. If other employees at my company weren't being paid, but I was - I'd be with them and completely understand that it's not acceptable.

RM doesn't attend games at the minute anyways - I know he has some front, but I'd be very surprised if he turned up at the minute regardless of protests!

I have to disagree, they turn up to play football, not to pay wages, not to pay tax, not to be at the forefront of toxicity caused by a crook owner.

It has been confirmed RM has been to games recently, he has been sitting in the directors box as he normally would or in a box, which I'd probably expect him to be in tomorrow.

 

[tommy tucker]

So where do they stand about the loan players ie Dackers I understood the loan exstention was agreed before the embargo .So if so do we keep him or not .

 

[Jack_23]

But I have not mentioned protests, as I said in the other thread this only works coming from a multitude of angles, protests on there own simply won’t work at this stage, yes it’s a tool we could use but this fight has to be one that has as little effect to the players. Etc..,

I completely agree , we as fans need to do more to set our stool out and not just protest protest protest. More strategic plan to get Ron out is needed

 

[Chrisb]

I have to disagree, they turn up to play football, not to pay wages, not to pay tax, not to be at the forefront of toxicity caused by a crook owner.

It has been confirmed RM has been to games recently, he has been sitting in the directors box as he normally would or in a box, which I'd probably expect him to be in tomorrow.

I doubt he will be there tomorrow.

 

[Chrisb]

No!!!! For Gods sake its bad enough without this absolute drivel about points deductions.

Is it absolute drivel ? I sincerely hope you are right - can anyone confirm ?

 

[sufc4life21]

Give it a month the players may start protesting when they don't receive there wages...... there seem to be trend appearing, staff unpaid in August, hmrc unpaid in September, players unpaid in October? Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[south247]

Boycott

Geoff might well make the difference

 

[TrueBlue]

Because people like Kevin Maher and his staff, as well as players will deem it not worth their time and no reason to carry on, at the end of the day, they're there are Roots Hall to do their own job and they won't want to go and do it there if there are protests and noise that has nothing to do with them. It's a completely understandable view point from SC in that regard.

Plus, RM will just not show up if there's protests, he hasn't shown up before because of them.

Well as said a few times protesting is not necessarily the way to go at the moment. Having said that we must support the players still, but what I would also say is these are professional players and should understand and know this is not about them, as seen last season it had no effect on the playing staff in face if I recall we went on a unbeaten run.

Could somebody at the trust please contact me, you guys asked me to help a few weeks back I replied and heard nothing since but that aside I feel that everybody needs to get round the table and work out a path forward

 

[Danshrimper]

Is it absolute drivel ? I sincerely hope you are right - can anyone confirm ?

Well we were under a transfer embargo for the same reason this time last year and didn’t get a points deduction. So why would we get one this time?

 

[TrueBlue]

We are where we are as we have an owner who is basically a small time property developer who has used our club to try and make his fortune. Although other clubs are often sailing close to the wind financially very few have consistent run ins with HMRC every few months. Not all club owners are ideal people but they have at least made money with their business adventures and can afford to put money in when cash flow problems arise. Colchester are a good example, even on attendances below 3000 they don't get into the financial state that we are in. They do get some revenue from hiring out their facilities but still rely on their owner to keep themselves afloat.

Just for clarity Colchester are in huge debt to Robbie cowling, without him they are finished

 

[Strykr]

Reading between the lines in Stan's statement I'd say....

(1) this is another one of the cashflow issues that Ron has
(2) It will be sorted
(3) Longer term Ron has an exit plan (hence Stan and Tom's involvement)

Thats what i see.

I honestly dont see what any protest will achieve other then more negative press.

Ron. Till the bitter end.

 

[Medway Blue]

I don't know what everybody is getting uptight about. Football in this country is not normal in any respect it is corrupt and unsustainable due to the introduction of the Premier League and all its riches in the hands of a few clubs. The only way a football club can win anything is to throw money they haven't got in the hope they can get their noses in the trough. There have been money clubs who have tried it and came unstuck. Portsmouth, Oldham to name two. How can a football club go into administration, get rid of its debts and carry on as normal with little consequences? How many clubs outside of the Premier are solvent? I doubt if there are many. Southend are still going and the only thing the supporters can do is get behind the team tomorrow, anything else is a waste of time and counter-productive to what everybody wants to achieve. Ron will go when he is ready with the club in the new ground.

I just can't get my head around this POV. There's no fight. Nobody is saying don't support the team, but how can we sit on our hands and do nothing? When is enough, enough? How can anyone possibly put up with this vicious cycle of **** for another 3 years, if he clings on until the stadium build is complete?

I'm with @TrueBlue. The Trust needs to be leading from the front here and discussing cutting ties with him until he at the very least publicly lays out his exit route and timetable.

 

[Danshrimper]

Well as said a few times protesting is not necessarily the way to go at the moment. Having said that we must support the players still, but what I would also say is these are professional players and should understand and know this is not about them, as seen last season it had no effect on the playing staff in face if I recall we went on a unbeaten run.

Could somebody at the trust please contact me, you guys asked me to help a few weeks back I replied and heard nothing since but that aside I feel that everybody needs to get round the table and work out a path forward

This isn’t really true though is it, because we didn’t go on an unbeaten run until well after the protests stopped.

It’s easy to say they’re professionals and should know it’s not about them. But they’re also human beings, if there are negative chants and people threatening to invade the pitch. It’s inevitably going to have some impact on performance. It’s also unlikely to actually achieve anything at this stage as well.

As you say, protests probably aren’t the way to go at the moment (at least during games). We need the Trust to put more pressure on. And we need the fact that there are interested parties to be heavily publicised, rather than just hinted at on Shrimperzone. Maybe then some actual pressure can be put on for Ron to sell.

 

[Strykr]

I just can't get my head around this POV. There's no fight. Nobody is saying don't support the team, but how can we sit on our hands and do nothing? When is enough, enough? How can anyone possibly put up with this vicious cycle of **** for another 3 years, if he clings on until the stadium build is complete?

I'm with @TrueBlue. The Trust needs to be leading from the front here and discussing cutting ties with him until he at the very least publicly lays out his exit route and timetable.

If the trust cuts ties with ron, whats the gain? Ron would probably be chuffed, less people to answer too.

 

[TrueBlue]

Don't get me wrong, I care passionately about the club I have followed for about 66 years. So, whilst it is continually distressing to find ourselves in these kind of situations, I am not surprised or too phased to see yet another one arriving. Rather like a tropical storm, there is little to do, other than batten down the hatches and wait for It to pass. If there is anything which surprises me, it's the violent reaction which one of these crisises brings about. Why do I remain cool, if rather upset and embarrassed? It's because I do really believe that we are so close to the new stadium becoming a reality, that I'm prepared, reluctantly, to accept the last bits of turbulence before It arrives. With the new stadium will surely come another shedload of problems and decisions but I'm happy to deal with those when It arrives.

Yeah I would never question your love mate and they goes for everybody else, but what we need consensus on is how to move forward

 

[geoffmundo]

Geoff might well make the difference

Sorry, I’m abroad at the moment….

 

[TrueBlue]

Reading between the lines in Stan's statement I'd say....

(1) this is another one of the cashflow issues that Ron has
(2) It will be sorted
(3) Longer term Ron has an exit plan (hence Stan and Tom's involvement)

We are saved and we can all relax now then? Believe me when I say I wish I could trust them 3 points all being true but history has shown as at this club that we can’t just have blind faith anymore

 

[Smiffy]

I presume a winding up petition to follow as well then…