The inevitable impact of Covid19

[Tangled up in Blue]

A genetic predisposition to developing the disease does exist but I was led to believe it's not widespread.

That's not what I've read.In fact many people from a working class background historically have died before they even knew they'd developed Type 2 diabetes.

 

[hlane17]

That's not what I've read.In fact many people from a working class background historically have died before they even developed Type 2 diabetes.

I'm taking what I know from my course in which I've had to study nutrition (inc. diabetes) at length and in some depth.

Type 1 always develops as a result of genetics. I believe Ben Coker has this type of diabetes. This requires medical intervention regardless of lifestyle choices.

Type 2 can be self inflicted or more recently claimed, as a result of some genetic predispositions combined with environment. But there is yet to be concrete evidence (as far as I have read) that type 2 can be solely genetic like type 1. Also this condition is usually manageable and sometimes reversible once someone is aware they have it, which to me indicates that it's not totally genetic.

^Disclaimer: the above is the 'approved' and strict science, anything outside of that is probably still being studied and I can't comment on it with certainty.

Wording was probably wrong when writing my initial post, but it was in the context of supporting my point that we need to realise there's more to health and pressures on the health service than the infectious disease (C-19) we've been asked to focus on in the last couple years.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm taking what I know from my course in which I've had to study nutrition (inc. diabetes) at length and in some depth.

Type 1 always develops as a result of genetics. I believe Ben Coker has this type of diabetes. This requires medical intervention regardless of lifestyle choices.

Type 2 can be self inflicted or more recently claimed, as a result of some genetic predispositions combined with environment. But there is yet to be concrete evidence (as far as I have read) that type 2 can be solely genetic like type 1. Also this condition is usually manageable and sometimes reversible once someone is aware they have it, which to me indicates that it's not totally genetic.

^Disclaimer: the above is the 'approved' and strict science, anything outside of that is probably still being studied and I can't comment on it with certainty.

Wording was probably wrong when writing my initial post, but it was in the context of supporting my point that we need to realise there's more to health and pressures on the health service than the infectious disease (C-19) we've been asked to focus on in the last couple years.

I don't think I claimed that Type 2 diabetes is "solely genetic" but my own family experience and reading confirms there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to support this view.

 

[hlane17]

I don't think I claimed that Type 2 diabetes is "solely genetic" but my own family experience and reading confirms there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to support this view.

Yes a lot of it is anectodal currently, which is why I won't comment on it beyond the fact I believe it's still manageable through choices you make. I may discover I'm wrong someday.

The state of food production and supply also doesn't help but that's one huge rabbit hole that would throw this thread off track.

I believe we'd be able to revisit this one day in the future with much more info to work with.

I haven't categorically disagreed with you as I see some validity in what you're saying, I have just pointed out what I do know so you know I'm not talking out my backside

My initial point all the way back in this thread was that nobody should be punished for health choices/issues of any type in the UK, it's not the way we do things.

Respect for a decent and measured conversation too

 

[Supershrimper]

Just get on with life - Omicron is a mild strain, all the science seems to back this up, so why are we over reacting (and the Scots and Welsh even more so?). It's utter madness.

Whilst Omicron is a mild strain there are still the other strains circulating within the communites. Hopefully the strain coninutes to spread whilst not affecting too many people and this strain becomes the dominant strain and it then becomes akin to having the flu for some people (which will knock some people for 6, some will require hospital treatment and some will unfortunatley pass away)

I think I must have had Omicron strain as I literally had no idea until I got a positive PCR test after the wife asked me to do a test when she tested positive.

Not sure i'd want to contract one of the first strains (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta) just to see.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yes a lot of it is anectodal currently, which is why I won't comment on it beyond the fact I believe it's still manageable through choices you make. I may discover I'm wrong someday.

The state of food production and supply also doesn't help but that's one huge rabbit hole that would throw this thread off track.

I believe we'd be able to revisit this one day in the future with much more info to work with.

I haven't categorically disagreed with you as I see some validity in what you're saying, I have just pointed out what I do know so you know I'm not talking out my backside

My initial point all the way back in this thread was that nobody should be punished for health choices/issues of any type in the UK, it's not the way we do things.

Respect for a decent and measured conversation too

What I've read indicates that once you've been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes it can't be resversed afer a period of some 5 years has elapsed.

As for lifestyle and diet, I wouldn't say that I nor my youngest brother live particularly unhealthy lives.Granted neither of of us exercises as much as we did in our playing days though I still walk a great deal and I imagine he does too.We both like a drink too. Incidentally, he was only diagonosed quite recently -at 59 IRRC.While I was diagnosed at 50.As it happens, my other brother 2 years younger than me -was diagnosed some 2 years earlier at 48.

I agree with you entirely that more reseach needs to be done into Type 2 Diabetes.Also it's clear you have some specialist knowledge of the subject,which I as a layman don't.

 

[blueblueblue]

Deaths still not rising as the SAGE doomsayers were hoping and praying would happen in their prediction models.

The case for intervention is becoming more irrelevant by the day if current trends continue.

It's not deaths this time, it's hospitalisations which is a concern

 

[Supershrimper]

It's not deaths this time, it's hospitalisations which is a concern

The number of patients admitted looks like it has started to jump up on the graphs, but the key indicator is the graph that shows the number of people in hospital with Covid (rather than those admitted)

That graph (those in hospital) has shown a slight increase, but considering the number of covid cases being announced i'm surprised its as small an increase as it is. Hopefully, its the weaker strain just causing cold/flu like symptons.

Also it has been pointed out that of the number of people in hospital, some of those around 30% have been admitted for some other reason, and have tested positive for covid

 

[pottster]

It's not deaths this time, it's hospitalisations which is a concern

So far people ending up in hospital is about a quarter of the peak last year. And seems to be holding at the moment, heres hoping it doesnt rise anymore.

 

[hlane17]

It's not deaths this time, it's hospitalisations which is a concern

Hospitals still far from overwhelmed and I doubt they ever will be again, not like before. I've heard they're suffering more due to self-isolation protocols than anything else.

 

[blueblueblue]

Hospitals still far from overwhelmed and I doubt they ever will be again, not like before. I've heard they're suffering more due to self-isolation protocols than anything else.

The nightingale hospitals seem to suggest otherwise,it would be a big expence otherwise.

The problem with Omicron, so many people are off sick.... I'm trying to get through to my phone bank, 30 minute wait........ I've never known that, 5 mins max.

 

[Tinks]

They're running out of tests because everyone in the country with a seasonal cold seems to be getting tests - it's almost as if we've forgotten that seasonal colds and flu ever existed! Likewise some people seem to be doing LFTs every single blooming day regardless of whether they're going out and mixing with other people or not. Just show some common sense, please!

That is exactly it!
I have to do daily LFT for work so the small box of 7 for me runs out just after a week and we have to order ours the same as everyone else. Fortunately, for me I have managed to get a couple of boxes from the care homes otherwise I don’t know what I would have done. It’s crazy, as work supplies the PCR but not the LFT.
People are also forgetting it’s the season for coughs, cold and sneezes and people think COVID straight away even if it’s a cold.
Surprisingly I have been laid up with Flu - yes Flu can you believe it with all this COVID about I get Flu!

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Surprisingly I have been laid up with Flu - yes Flu can you believe it with all this COVID about I get Flu!

Hope you recover asap, did you have the flu jab?.

 

[Tinks]

Hope you recover asap, did you have the flu jab?.

I did and have it every year so suspect I didn't get so severe (i know its not COVIS as all my tests came back negative)but nevertheless the aches from within my body are intense and even having covers on me hurt but, thank you for your kind words

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

As for lifestyle and diet, I wouldn't say that I nor my youngest brother live particularly unhealthy lives.Granted neither of of us exercises as much as we did in our playing days though I still walk a great deal and I imagine he does too.
I agree with you entirely that more reseach needs to be done into Type 2 Diabetes

You know what my diet is like, & i still exercise 5-6 times weekly, loads of hill & step walking as well.
Last blood test i had ( 6 weeks ago ) G.P told me my blood/sugar level reading had risen to '44'. He said under '42' is the norm, '47' or over nudging Diabetes 2.
As far as i know, no-one in the family has ever had it, so guess we're see what happens next!.

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

I did and have it every year so suspect I didn't get so severe (i know its not COVIS as all my tests came back negative)but nevertheless the aches from within my body are intense and even having covers on me hurt but, thank you for your kind words

You're welcome, thank goodness it's turned mild, so maybe you can get away with just a sheet on you?. xx

 

[hlane17]

The nightingale hospitals seem to suggest otherwise,it would be a big expence otherwise.

The problem with Omicron, so many people are off sick.... I'm trying to get through to my phone bank, 30 minute wait........ I've never known that, 5 mins max.

The nightingales were a waste of £££ last time with far more ill people than we're seeing now. No idea why they even think they'll be needed this time round.

Also this wave of sickness will lead to an extended period of time of stability that follows. You cannot get quickly reinfected with this thing, you'll have immunity for a while. So it might be crazy now but it won't be for long.

 

[Holy Joe]

Deaths still not rising as the SAGE doomsayers were hoping and praying would happen in their prediction models.

The case for intervention is becoming more irrelevant by the day if current trends continue.

Is that language really necessary? I reckon none of the SAGE 'doomsayers' want their worst case scenarios to occur.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That is exactly it!
I have to do daily LFT for work so the small box of 7 for me runs out just after a week and we have to order ours the same as everyone else. Fortunately, for me I have managed to get a couple of boxes from the care homes otherwise I don’t know what I would have done. It’s crazy, as work supplies the PCR but not the LFT.
People are also forgetting it’s the season for coughs, cold and sneezes and people think COVID straight away even if it’s a cold.
Surprisingly I have been laid up with Flu - yes Flu can you believe it with all this COVID about I get Flu!

My sister -in-law in Avingon has been laid up with the same thing -took her 6 days in bed to get over it.Apparenly it was some covid strain- but not the dreaded covid 19!Her husband although only 60 takes a regular flu vaccine each year and he was OK.I've done the same ever since getting laid low with a bad dose of the flu when I was working at the UAB about 10 years or so ago now.

 

[RHB]

Yes a lot of it is anectodal currently, which is why I won't comment on it beyond the fact I believe it's still manageable through choices you make. I may discover I'm wrong someday.

The state of food production and supply also doesn't help but that's one huge rabbit hole that would throw this thread off track.

I believe we'd be able to revisit this one day in the future with much more info to work with.

I haven't categorically disagreed with you as I see some validity in what you're saying, I have just pointed out what I do know so you know I'm not talking out my backside

My initial point all the way back in this thread was that nobody should be punished for health choices/issues of any type in the UK, it's not the way we do things.

Respect for a decent and measured conversation too

For what it's worth I had a heart attack (well, two actually) in 2010. As a result I was put on permanent medication to manage the after effects. One of the drugs was a statin and prior to the heart attack I had no evidence of type 2 diabetes and I only developed it post treatment. I asked the consultant at the time when the diagnosis was confirmed and I discovered that statins can increase the risk of type 2 by 50% which is what happened in my case. No amount of diet or weight control has eradicated the type 2 and I live with it whilst on statins, which is a permanent thing.