The inevitable impact of Covid19

[blueblueblue]

Any evidence for this claim?

I can't be the only one to wonder why school children in the UK are forced to wear masks and adults aren't (unlike in many EU countries).

Javid has said today that he will publish a report in the next few days that supports this decision...

 

[blueblueblue]

It's not a choice of the two. There is no good reason whatsoever for them to be wearing masks in the classroom all day and no evidence it helps to stop transmission. It's just another case of having to be seen to be doing something, and as usual it's children who bear the brunt of it. It's shameful and more parents need to start standing up against it.

If they don't wear one, they won't be able to attend school. Parents can stand up to it as much as they like but in the mean time, they won't be getting an education.

 

[blueblueblue]

More Covid restrictions are going to be announced by BoJo. Or not!!!!!!!!

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Any evidence for this claim?

I can't be the only one to wonder why school children in the UK are forced to wear masks and adults aren't (unlike in many EU countries).

Any evidence that children wearing masks for eight hours a day has any impact on transmission, or indeed that masks in general have any impact on transmission? Masks hinder communication and learning and have been damaging to children's mental health. COVID is virtually no risk to children and the vast majority of adults are triple or at least double vaccinated. And if the kids are being tested regularly and they know they're not carrying COVID, why do they need to wear masks?

Your second point is right though - why should children be forced to wear masks at school all day when adults don't have to at work? A cruel and completely pointless measure which I imagine and hope will be dropped soon.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Any evidence that children wearing masks for eight hours a day has any impact on transmission, or indeed that masks in general have any impact on transmission? Masks hinder communication and learning and have been damaging to children's mental health. COVID is virtually no risk to children and the vast majority of adults are triple or at least double vaccinated. And if the kids are being tested regularly and they know they're not carrying COVID, why do they need to wear masks?

Your second point is right though - why should children be forced to wear masks at school all day when adults don't have to at work? A cruel and completely pointless measure which I imagine and hope will be dropped soon.

The first point I'd've thought.I accept completely (as a former language teacher) that masks hinder communication.If they don't "have any impact on transmission" as you assert you'd really have to explain why they've been de rigour in Spain and France (along with many other EU countries) for quite some time now.

 

[rigsby]

The first point I'd've thought.I accept completely (as a former language teacher) that masks hinder communication.If they don't "have any impact on transmission" as you assert you'd really have to explain why they've been de rigour in Spain and France (along with many other EU countries) for quite some time now.

Probably because history shows they are happy to comply and even profit from tyranny. Us British know there is always a price to pay if you do.

 

[rigsby]

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I missed a letter so it should have been CBRN.

Probably got the wrong person but I thought you were ex military?.....

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Probably because history shows they are happy to comply and even profit from tyranny. Us British know there is always a price to pay if you do.

Your knowledge of history -especially when it comes to the 1789 French revolution seems to be sadly lacking.Perhaps you could explain to me why a great libertarian country like France so willingly embraced the concept of a covid passport to get into cafes, bars,restaurants, cinemas etc last summer?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

This thread is about Covid, Barna and Rigsby, so please take your history chit chat into a private chat as it’s off topic. Ta

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

The first point I'd've thought.I accept completely (as a former language teacher) that masks hinder communication.If they don't "have any impact on transmission" as you assert you'd really have to explain why they've been de rigour in Spain and France (along with many other EU countries) for quite some time now.

Is that the same France that recorded its highest ever number of cases yesterday?

 

[mattytheshrimper]

This thread is about Covid, Barna and Rigsby, so please take your history chit chat into a private chat as it’s off topic. Ta

Rigsby talking about Covid....nooooooooooooooooooooooo surely not.

 

[blues exile]

This is an utterly pointless thread as any meaningful discussion would need to have a political dimension which is not allowed, unless of course it is supportive of government 'policy' which is what was always the favoured option, herd immunity.

 

[pottster]

Confirmatory pcr tests after positive lft to be dropped, as well as pre departure tests for travellers. Think they are realising that this new strain is just a mild cold. My whole firm has been wiped out this week, with it , but they all feel fine. Think I might have to get the lemon juice out next week when I test to get a week off!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Is that the same France that recorded its highest ever number of cases yesterday?

Yes but IIRC (and I track the figures most days) it's the first time.In any case it's an interesting comparison as France and the UK have roughly similar populations.Macron is certainly not happy about the situation that's for sure.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ovid-strategy-is-to-****-off-the-unvaccinated

 

[hlane17]

Confirmatory pcr tests after positive lft to be dropped, as well as pre departure tests for travellers. Think they are realising that this new strain is just a mild cold. My whole firm has been wiped out this week, with it , but they all feel fine. Think I might have to get the lemon juice out next week when I test to get a week off!

With current trends this should be coming to a close very soon, regardless of what the media would have you think.

I know many people who tested +ve both young and old in the last couple weeks but none worse than mild flu symptoms.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

This is an utterly pointless thread as any meaningful discussion would need to have a political dimension which is not allowed, unless of course it is supportive of government 'policy' which is what was always the favoured option, herd immunity.

There's a wonderful carton in the current Private Eye under the caption of herd immunity,with a rather bemused farmer looking at a herd of cattle on the other side of the gate all doing various umnentionable mad. things

 

[hlane17]

Yes but IIRC (and I track the figures most days) it's the first time.In any case it's an interesting comparison as France and the UK have roughly similar populations.Macron is certainly not happy about the situation that's for sure.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ovid-strategy-is-to-****-off-the-unvaccinated

Won't dig into politics any further than this, but Macron's rhetoric makes no logical sense when the jabs primarily defend against serious illness, not much more especially with the latest immune escape.

I say let the people who don't want it crack on, if the numbers are true I doubt there's enough of them to fall ill at once in order to overwhelm a health service. Got to remember that there's plenty of those people who will have natural immunity too, which studies suggest is better than 2 jabs against Omicron.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

With current trends this should be coming to a close very soon, regardless of what the media would have you think.

I know many people who tested +ve both young and old in the last couple weeks but none worse than mild flu symptoms.

So do I but anecdotale evidence is not quite the same as official statistics.I

In any case the absence of key workers (through infection or self-isolation) are what appears to be driving the curent shortages in the UK (and now Spain).

I wonder also how you explain the recent increases in hospitalisatins? In Catalonia for example yesterday's figures show a 40% occupany rate in ICU's (The highest rate in Spain).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Won't dig into politics any further than this, but 1.Macron's rhetoric makes no logical sense when the jabs primarily defend against serious illness, not much more especially with the latest immune escape.

2.I say let the people who don't want it crack on, if the numbers are true I doubt there's enough of them to fall ill at once in order to overwhelm a health service. Got to remember that there's plenty of those people who will have natural immunity too, which studies suggest is better than 2 jabs against Omicron.

1.That would certainly seem to be the case but we don't have enough evidence to confirm this yet.

2.We've already seen that this herd immunity approach is causing staffing problems in the NHS (and elsewhere).

 

[hlane17]

So do I but anecdotale evidence is not quite the same as official statistics.I

In any case the absence of key workers (through infection or self-isolation) are what appears to be driving the curent shortages in the UK (and now Spain).

I wonder also how you explain the recent increases in hospitalisatins? In Catalonia for example yesterday's figures show a 40% occupany rate in ICU's (The highest rate in Spain).

I can link you some studies giving the rationale behind this becoming a milder disease if you like

I think to help the isolation issue, I think we should move towards not testing for mild/asymptomatic cases anymore. If the evidence of mildness for the majority keeps coming, the case for changing our policy increases IMO.

I think if we tested for all flu cases in years gone by we would have seen huge numbers of daily infections, but we only test to confirm when cases result in more serious consequences such as visits to GP/hospitalisation. We also didn't treat each other as potential bioweapons back then.

As for the rise in hospitalisations, some will be incidental as it's winter and health tends to deteriorate so more people get admitted to hospital anyway and some will test positive during their stay. Otherwise, it can be explained easily by people associating with each other more indoors during colder months. Winter has always been a hotbed for respiratory viruses and that will probably never change unless we lockdown every year (which isn't possible)