The inevitable impact of Covid19

[RobM]

@hlane17 " I know some will go on about protecting NHS, being selfish taking up beds, but obesity and smoking are also self-damaging choices but we don't go condemning people for the strain that causes do we?"

Smoking and obesity aren't contagious though.

 

[hlane17]

@hlane17 " I know some will go on about protecting NHS, being selfish taking up beds, but obesity and smoking are also self-damaging choices but we don't go condemning people for the strain that causes do we?"

Smoking and obesity aren't contagious though.

Yes but with all respect do you not think if the nation was healthier we'd have more capacity to deal with stuff like respiratory illnesses and pandemics?

But we don't go as hardline as we have with COVID with these issues, it's all about choice and accepting that people can choose bad as well as good.

And COPD/obesity are huge comorbidities with COVID. Might not be contagious but two huge chronic health epidemics that are worsening our current situation, that's coming from the doctors themselves.

If we wish for 'normal' life then we need to let it go someday and accept it's here to stay. Or we can keep living in this unsustainable way, destroying livelihoods, businesses and any semblance of enjoyment.

Should the government not be closing them down, I shall be in the pubs after Christmas putting some money in their coffers, support your local people.

 

[harveyoe]

Which seems crazy in the grand scale of things. Devolved administration in cases like this make no sense.

I agree. I'm not against devolved administrations, but in times of crisis it has to make sense to have a united response and for us all to be moving in the same direction.

 

[fbm]

If we wish for 'normal' life then we need to let it go someday and accept it's here to stay.

Absolutely... and whilst there will always be the exception, once the data is in and they know more about Omicron and the effects it has (which I hope will be 99% very mild), they will take that step and we should be done.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

Don't want them? Crack on and if you're ill then it's your fault and you reap the consequences.

But that won't happen though will it. They will be expecting the NHS to protect them if they become seriously ill and need a bed in hospital. That's what I find most ironic about the anti-vaxers. They say lets get on with it yet will expect care if their decision back fires. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Don't get me wrong, I literally despise the government and how they behave but I simply cannot stand some of the pathetic arguments and YouTube evidence that the anti-vaxers come out with. I know a anti-vaxer who has covid right now (and quite poorly) and has been going out knowing full well they shouldn't be and don't care that they could potentially kill someone or ruin someones Christmas etc etc.

If/when Boris puts in restrictions how on earth can he actually expect anyone to follow them, personally I think he doesn't actually care.

I know I've been reducing what I do recently because I don't want to have to isolate over Christmas but regardless of what rules Boris brings in I will be seeing family on Christmas Day. I've followed the rules throughout but even for me now I'm getting a bit sick of it. We've all been testing every few days and will test before we meet up, what more can you do these days.

 

[hlane17]

But that won't happen though will it. They will be expecting the NHS to protect them if they become seriously ill and need a bed in hospital. That's what I find most ironic about the anti-vaxers. They say lets get on with it yet will expect care if their decision back fires. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Don't get me wrong, I literally despise the government and how they behave but I simply cannot stand some of the pathetic arguments and YouTube evidence that the anti-vaxers come out with. I know a anti-vaxer who has covid right now (and quite poorly) and has been going out knowing full well they shouldn't be and don't care that they could potentially kill someone or ruin someones Christmas etc etc.

If/when Boris puts in restrictions how on earth can he actually expect anyone to follow them, personally I think he doesn't actually care.

I know I've been reducing what I do recently because I don't want to have to isolate over Christmas but regardless of what rules Boris brings in I will be seeing family on Christmas Day. I've followed the rules throughout but even for me now I'm getting a bit sick of it. We've all been testing every few days and will test before we meet up, what more can you do these days.

Yes they’ll be expecting the NHS to take the fall for what could have been a bad decision for them. But hasn’t that always been the case? Drunkards getting beds on a weekend, people getting treatment for self inflicted illness e.g. type 2 diabetes. I think it comes hand in hand with a national health service.

Also when it comes to people going out when positive, that’s just ridiculous. If you know you’re positive and you knowingly infect others that’s beyond immoral.

I think when it comes to ‘managing’ this virus all we can do is test once every now and then, or more regularly if you’re feeling unwell. Otherwise life has to go on. Hope you enjoy Christmas Day with your family

 

[pottster]

The world has gone crazy, the welsh have made it illegal to go to work! When does this end. There is now talk of circuit breaker after christmas. The war has been lost on this, we are going to catch it sooner or later no matter what you do. Let's just get on with our lives

 

[mattytheshrimper]

Also when it comes to people going out when positive, that’s just ridiculous. If you know you’re positive and you knowingly infect others that’s beyond immoral.

Tell me about it! As you can imagine its caused quite a few arguments! Have a good Christmas too.

 

[hlane17]

Absolutely... and whilst there will always be the exception, once the data is in and they know more about Omicron and the effects it has (which I hope will be 99% very mild), they will take that step and we should be done.

I just have no faith in people who need to deflect from their own issues to do the right thing and let the country heal properly. Should this wave be mild then everyone's on the same footing going forward but they don't see it that way.

There is data already out there from world-renowned universities, especially Hong Kong University.

 

[hlane17]

The world has gone crazy, the welsh have made it illegal to go to work! When does this end. There is now talk of circuit breaker after christmas. The war has been lost on this, we are going to catch it sooner or later no matter what you do. Let's just get on with our lives

But you can still go to the pub ?

Wales and Scotland don't seem intent on letting this go at all.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

I wonder how many are giving games a miss or avoiding the pub due to concerns about the Omicron variant? Looking at crowds from last night’s Arsenal match no one seems that worried. Surely any restrictions crowbarred in now will be slamming the stable door shut after the horse has bolted. Bet SAGE are having kittens.

 

[hlane17]

I wonder how many are giving games a miss or avoiding the pub due to concerns about the Omicron variant? Looking at crowds from last night’s Arsenal match no one seems that worried. Surely any restrictions crowbarred in now will be slamming the stable door shut after the horse has bolted. Wonder when the data will surface..

I'm doing a self-enforced lockdown pre-Christmas so I can see family over the course of a couple days with relative peace of mind.

Won't be going back to watch SUFC until the embargo is lifted, not COVID related though.

Will be going to pub in the days after Christmas though for sure.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But you can still go to the pub ?

Wales and Scotland don't seem intent on letting this go at all.

Probably be a curfew announced for next week.Scotland and wales are leading the way on this.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

I'm doing a self-enforced lockdown pre-Christmas so I can see family over the course of a couple days with relative peace of mind.

Won't be going back to watch SUFC until the embargo is lifted, not COVID related though.

Will be going to pub in the days after Christmas though for sure.

Yeah think a lot of people are doing this ie prioritising Christmas with family, probably wise as I know a few people who’ve tested positive and had to cancel plans. If no big announcement on Boxing Day I’d expect most people to carry on watching footy or meeting up with mates for drinks. I’ll be at Bromley regardless as I’m staying 5 mins up the road.

 

[hlane17]

Probably be a curfew announced for next week.Scotland and wales are leading the way on this.

Didn't know a curfew was on the cards. COVID knows what time of day it is now then ?

Last time the UK had these rules on pubs everyone would just turn up earlier in the afternoon and start drinking earlier. Not sure what it achieves really.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Didn't know a curfew was on the cards. COVID knows what time of day it is now then ?

Last time the UK had these kinds of rules on pubs everyone would just turn up earlier in the afternoon and start drinking earlier. Not sure what it achieves really.

A curfew has already been announced from next week in Catalonia (subject to a High Court appeal. (Mind you I'm guessing a curfew like here from 1-6 am wouldn't be a problem for most Brits except on NYE).

 

[hlane17]

Yeah think a lot of people are doing this ie prioritising Christmas with family, probably wise as I know a few people who’ve tested positive and had to cancel plans. If no big announcement on Boxing Day I’d expect most people to carry on watching footy or meeting up with mates for drinks. I’ll be at Bromley regardless as I’m staying 5 mins up the road.

Only reason I'm isolating is because I couldn't be the one throwing a spanner into the works, we've got a lot planned this year and we don't intend to cancel it.

Closing/restricting pubs will likely just push gatherings into people's homes or gardens, the home 'pub' has become more popular in the last couple years.

 

[hlane17]

A curfew has already been announced from next week in Catalonia (subject to a High Court appeal. (Mind you I'm guessing a curfew like here from 1-6 am wouldn't be a problem for most Brits except on NYE).

An overnight one wouldn't impact too much in the UK other than the clubbing scene, but again I wouldn't want to see one at all here. That industry has been wrecked enough already.

Not that I'm a huge fan of clubs (only been couple times in the last year) but some people do enjoy them and the night hospitality and entertainment industry would struggle to survive with more restrictions.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Only reason I'm isolating is because I couldn't be the one throwing a spanner into the works, we've got a lot planned this year and we don't intend to cancel it.

Closing/restricting pubs will likely just push gatherings into people's homes or gardens, the home 'pub' has become more popular in the last couple years.

Yeah absolutely it won’t stop people mixing will just hit hospitality even more.

 

[rigsby]

But that won't happen though will it. They will be expecting the NHS to protect them if they become seriously ill and need a bed in hospital. That's what I find most ironic about the anti-vaxers. They say lets get on with it yet will expect care if their decision back fires. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Don't get me wrong, I literally despise the government and how they behave but I simply cannot stand some of the pathetic arguments and YouTube evidence that the anti-vaxers come out with. I know a anti-vaxer who has covid right now (and quite poorly) and has been going out knowing full well they shouldn't be and don't care that they could potentially kill someone or ruin someones Christmas etc etc.

If/when Boris puts in restrictions how on earth can he actually expect anyone to follow them, personally I think he doesn't actually care.

I know I've been reducing what I do recently because I don't want to have to isolate over Christmas but regardless of what rules Boris brings in I will be seeing family on Christmas Day. I've followed the rules throughout but even for me now I'm getting a bit sick of it. We've all been testing every few days and will test before we meet up, what more can you do these days.

So far I have not met a single anti-vaxer. I have met dozens of people who refused to have an experimental injection that clearly hasn't worked. Its their choice just like abortion is a personal choice. As it happens they are usually fit for their age and have used the NHS the least. Also not by coincidence they will have worked harder than most in their chosen field. So have paid more into the system.

None of you know the longterm damage it will cause and some of you refuse to see the obvious side effects some have suffered. Even when they collapse on football, rugby and cricket pitch in front of you.

There are millions at the moment who will not be taking the booster. On the basis that if 2 don't work how will a 3rd work when it was designed before you had ever heard of omicon. Those good people are now classed as "Ant-vaxers"

Thats the reason why the elite are giving you detention. Not for your safety, its your non compliance that they fear that the most. What they are now encouraging is their "Gate Keepers" to help turn society on each other.

400 years ago there were mobs dragging mainly women, up to the ducking pond close to Leigh road. Throughout history there are always those that can't wait to be at the head of the mob. Those who want to silence any debate and turn on those who can.

As Southend fans and by the many Ron threads. You should absolutely know its only lies that need to be covered up. None of you have to fear the truth.....Even if it scares you.