The EU Referendum

[rigsby]

If you want to ask me a question then pose it as a question rather than a put down.

Have a history of taking on board what people say rather than twisting people's words out of all recognition.

And ask a question that makes sense. What does 'improving immigration' even mean? I don't think you actually know what you are asking, you just think you have an opportunity to make someone else look stupid but you are not yet sure how.

Just the answer the British public expects from Labour and its biggest fans. Just like in weeks of campaigning avoid the question at all costs.

Instead of Blaming everyone else from Cameron and the uneducated masses who should never have been allowed a vote. Why don't you put your hands up and admit that it was Labour that cost you membership of the EU.

I tell you why you won't because I have never yet met a leftie who is man (or woman) enough to do so. Which is why your joke of a leader has refused to resign. If the pair of you are to frightened to answer why don't you step aside and hand over to somebody who will.

 

[rigsby]

Ha! I'm lucky to live in a country which is also "intensly relaxed" about immigration too-whether it's from the EU or South American countries.



You've got it the wrong way around again,old chap.

You know full well that the Spanish and the Portuguese look down on their former 'colonial friends'

 

[londonblue]

My understanding is that EU law over rides UK law.

It is EU law that has primacy.

It doesn't matter. All countries have the right of veto. No law could be passed by the EU without the UK say so.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Indeed they are:

BBC

I'm very sceptical about this sudden 'rise' in racist incidents - not denying that these things happen but it's a bit too convenient that a lot of people on Twitter are posting very similar stories. Suspect many of them are made up or false flag incidents. Leaving the EU has nothing to do with race - after all, most EU migrants are white and being in the EU means we actually discriminate against immigrants from Asia/Africa.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Just the answer the British public expects from Labour and its biggest fans. Just like in weeks of campaigning avoid the question at all costs.

Instead of Blaming everyone else from Cameron and the uneducated masses who should never have been allowed a vote. Why don't you put your hands up and admit that it was Labour that cost you membership of the EU.

I tell you why you won't because I have never yet met a leftie who is man (or woman) enough to do so. Which is why your joke of a leader has refused to resign. If the pair of you are to frightened to answer why don't you step aside and hand over to somebody who will.

You have just reiterated why I am right not investing time in a reply - instead of rephrasing the question so that it means something you would rather create new tangents and slights. If you were more about discussing and less about trolling this process would be much more valuable.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I'm very sceptical about this sudden 'rise' in racist incidents - not denying that these things happen but it's a bit too convenient that a lot of people on Twitter are posting very similar stories. Suspect many of them are made up or false flag incidents. Leaving the EU has nothing to do with race - after all, most EU migrants are white and being in the EU means we actually discriminate against immigrants from Asia/Africa.

i understand the skepticism but the police have reported a rise in incidents so it does sound like more than a Twitter scam

 

[Benfleet A1]

Just the answer the British public expects from Labour and its biggest fans. Just like in weeks of campaigning avoid the question at all costs.

Instead of Blaming everyone else from Cameron and the uneducated masses who should never have been allowed a vote. Why don't you put your hands up and admit that it was Labour that cost you membership of the EU.

I tell you why you won't because I have never yet met a leftie who is man (or woman) enough to do so. Which is why your joke of a leader has refused to resign. If the pair of you are to frightened to answer why don't you step aside and hand over to somebody who will.

The rantings of a madman.

 

[callan]

It doesn't matter. All countries have the right of veto. No law could be passed by the EU without the UK say so.

It does matter.

The right of veto is not absolute against all laws, this was why Cameron put the red card system into his negotiations with the EU.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Just the answer the British public expects from Labour and its biggest fans. Just like in weeks of campaigning avoid the question at all costs.

Instead of Blaming everyone else from Cameron and the uneducated masses who should never have been allowed a vote. Why don't you put your hands up and admit that it was Labour that cost you membership of the EU.

I tell you why you won't because I have never yet met a leftie who is man (or woman) enough to do so. Which is why your joke of a leader has refused to resign. If the pair of you are to frightened to answer why don't you step aside and hand over to somebody who will.

Don't want to get involved in this right wing v Left wing love in but it was EMPHATICALLY Cameron's fault in calling a referendum.

 

[callan]

Don't want to get involved in this right wing v Left wing love in but it was EMPHATICALLY Cameron's fault in calling a referendum.

He had an electoral mandate to do so...whatever your politics.

 

[Supernaut]

Don't want to get involved in this right wing v Left wing love in but it was EMPHATICALLY Cameron's fault in calling a referendum.

And so the blame lies solely with those who elected him.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Thats something others have said, trying to weave a little ambiguity into the wording.

Unfortunately this one cant be disputed



£350 million never actually true in the first place.

What is it with the NHS anyway. What makes the NHS the priority over everything else in the first place.

Wherever it is going to, could someone please explain where it is actually coming from? If we want to continue to have access to the single market, from what I understand, it's going to cost us money (possibly as much as we're contributing now) The only way I see money being saved, is if we make a total break with the EU.......then, of course, we'll be liable to tariffs, won't we?

 

[rigsby]

Don't want to get involved in this right wing v Left wing love in but it was EMPHATICALLY Cameron's fault in calling a referendum.

Who will you blame when France vote out

 

[callan]

Wherever it is going to, could someone please explain where it is actually coming from? If we want to continue to have access to the single market, from what I understand, it's going to cost us money (possibly as much as we're contributing now) The only way I see money being saved, is if we make a total break with the EU.......then, of course, we'll be liable to tariffs, won't we?

Tarriffs will apply both ways, if we decide against being part of the Single market.

The savings from not paying into the EU coupled with revenues directly raised could certainly be put to good use.

 

[rigsby]

Wherever it is going to, could someone please explain where it is actually coming from? If we want to continue to have access to the single market, from what I understand, it's going to cost us money (possibly as much as we're contributing now) The only way I see money being saved, is if we make a total break with the EU.......then, of course, we'll be liable to tariffs, won't we?

Which of course we will match. As we buy far more from you that means we will make lots of money on the tariffs. Lets start with say cars, Lets put another 25 % on Mercedes and BMW's.

 

[Gremlin]

Indeed, but that's not what the leave campaign tried to tell people.

Have you got some evidence of this? Everyone knows that you vote for your MEP.

 

[Supernaut]

If someone from the Remain camp wins the Tory leadership, could they in theory strike a deal with the EU which gives us full access to the single market in exchange for full freedom of movement and the UK agreeing to abide by all EU laws, meaning that nothing changes except the UK losing it's voice within the EU?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Who will you blame when France vote out

Hollande, even under threat from the NF, wouldn't be as stupid to risk the future prosperity of his country by offering a referendum on the subject. IF France left it would certainly be the end of the EU and we better all pray, for the stability of Europe, that doesn't happen. The UK leaving is a little easier as it's not tied to Schengen or the euro. I don't honestly know what is going to happen in next year's Presidential Elections and of course it worries me. I just hope the French electorate is a little more intelligent for the majority not to follow a populist party that offers simple solutions to complex problems.

 

[GrumpyBlue]

The rantings of a madman.

Which one? :winking:

 

[londonblue]

I'm very sceptical about this sudden 'rise' in racist incidents - not denying that these things happen but it's a bit too convenient that a lot of people on Twitter are posting very similar stories. Suspect many of them are made up or false flag incidents. Leaving the EU has nothing to do with race - after all, most EU migrants are white and being in the EU means we actually discriminate against immigrants from Asia/Africa.

You know that and I know that, but these imbeciles don't. Unfortunately sweeping it under the carpet doesn't help.