The EU Referendum

[callan]

India, Australia have the benefit of being a) Commonwealth countries and b) English-speaking. What about China, S.Korea, the Middle East? We have no history with them, and to them we are small players (except in defence and finance, maybe)

Below links suggest otherwise.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-southkorea-fta-idUKKCN0ZC01X

http://www.albawaba.com/business/brexit-vote-rekindles-hope-new-uk-gcc-free-trade-agreements-855634

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...ates-brussels-by-pushing-eu-china-trade-deal/

 

[callan]

The United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement is a free trade agreement between the United States and Chile signed on June 6, 2003.

The first steps toward a trade agreement between the two countries began in 1992


EDIT: sorry, 11 years.

Nope still wrong...try again.

 

[callan]

Oh and NZ is still pending one with the US that has been in traction since 2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand–United_States_relations#Proposed_Free_Trade_Agreement

Are your glasses not working today Naps?

 

[Napster]

Below links suggest otherwise.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-southkorea-fta-idUKKCN0ZC01X

http://www.albawaba.com/business/brexit-vote-rekindles-hope-new-uk-gcc-free-trade-agreements-855634

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...ates-brussels-by-pushing-eu-china-trade-deal/

As of 2015, South Korean exports to Britain amounted to about $7.4 billion, accounting for 1.4 percent of the Asia's fourth largest economy's total exports, according to the trade ministry data.

your Chinese link is 3 years out of date. :winking:

 

[Napster]

Are your glasses not working today Naps?

Sorry mate, you;re going to have to be specific. Of what parts of the two articles am I wrong? The Chile FTA started discussions in 92 and finally signed off in 2003, and NZ is still ongoing.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Whatever his reasoning under our electoral system he had a mandate to do it.

No, you don't wriggle out of it that way Mr Callan. :smile: There are actions, then there are consequences from those actions. Without the actions, there would be no consequences. Cameron is guilty.........guilty as sin.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

If you want to ask me a question then pose it as a question rather than a put down.

Have a history of taking on board what people say rather than twisting people's words out of all recognition.

And ask a question that makes sense. What does 'improving immigration' even mean? I don't think you actually know what you are asking, you just think you have an opportunity to make someone else look stupid but you are not yet sure how.

Waving people through passport control quicker.

I'm very sceptical about this sudden 'rise' in racist incidents - not denying that these things happen but it's a bit too convenient that a lot of people on Twitter are posting very similar stories. Suspect many of them are made up or false flag incidents. Leaving the EU has nothing to do with race - after all, most EU migrants are white and being in the EU means we actually discriminate against immigrants from Asia/Africa.

Parliament - you know the one you want to be sovereign - has defined racial group as including any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

The majority want out so Cameron was right to offer a referendum. Or does democracy only count if the result suites you personally.

Well, you can always twist facts around to suit you.........Cameron only called a referendum to save his and his party's scrawny necks and he only did it because he felt sure 'remain' would win (idiot). Democracy for me is an elected government taking the responsibity to govern and not ruling by plebiscite.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I was simply wondering out loud if a new pro-EU Tory leader could effectively head to Brussels in October and keep us in the EU via such back door antics, rather than resorting to anything more drastic. Could have some bearing on the Tory leadership race I guess.

One of the big questions for me is who will invoke article 50 and when, if no preliminary discussions have taken place? How long can we hold off doing it? Any lengthy delay would irritate the 'leave' supporters and the other countries of the EU. I'm glad it's a decision for the new leader of the Conservative government and not mine.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

We have over 70 MEPs.

Where can I vote that one of them speak instead of him?

Perhaps you should ask one of the over 70 other MEP's - that's if you can name one of them that is without looking them up over the internet.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

India, Australia have the benefit of being a) Commonwealth countries and b) English-speaking. What about China, S.Korea, the Middle East? We have no history with them, and to them we are small players (except in defence and finance, maybe)

I'd check the history books again if I was you. Think you'll find we have quite a long history with both China and the Middle East as well as the Far East. More so in fact than most of the countries in the current EU.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Nigel Farage: "I was met with a torrent of abuse today" in the European Parliament.

Well, that's amazing!...............and I thought you were so magnanimous in victory. :smile:

First you rub peoples noses in your victory. Then you insult them with "none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives" You then go on to insinuate that the EU really needs us more than we need the EU (true or not) and that you should be sensible grown up and give us exactly what we want........a better deal than we have at present.
Surely, Mr Farage must be one of our main negociators when talks finally get under way, he just has a way with diplomacy.

 

[callan]

As of 2015, South Korean exports to Britain amounted to about $7.4 billion, accounting for 1.4 percent of the Asia's fourth largest economy's total exports, according to the trade ministry data.

your Chinese link is 3 years out of date. :winking:

2 out of 3 ain't bad as the song goes!

Sorry mate, you;re going to have to be specific. Of what parts of the two articles am I wrong? The Chile FTA started discussions in 92 and finally signed off in 2003, and NZ is still ongoing.

No Worries.

The confusion lies between Chile joining Nafta, which you rightly point out was on the table in 90's, as opposed to securing a free trade agreement with the US which was put on the table in 2002 and signed off in 2003.

So in effect the timeline was as follows -

1992 - (us + Chile) we should discuss free trade as quickly as is 'feasible' (intent not negotiation), as at this point NAFTA was in the process of being set up so as the appendix link in the entry points out this was never going to be an immediate negotiation.

1994 - Discussions start with a view to Chile becoming full members of NAFTA (not negotiating a FTA with the US).

1997 - No progress on talks to join NAFTA.

1996 - Chile signs a FTA with Canada (Nafta member).

1998 - Chile signs a FTA with Mexico (Nafta member).

2002 - Agreement to negotiate a FTA with the US.

2003 - FTA signed between Chile and US.

So in e that ten year period Chile signed 3 FTA's, and took less than two to secure a deal directly with the US.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'd check the history books again if I was you. Think you'll find we have quite a long history with both China and the Middle East as well as the Far East. More so in fact than most of the countries in the current EU.

We may have history with China, but Communist China doesn't really have history with itself having rejected the past.

 

[rigsby]

Well, you can always twist facts around to suit you.........Cameron only called a referendum to save his and his party's scrawny necks and he only did it because he felt sure 'remain' would win (idiot). Democracy for me is an elected government taking the responsibity to govern and not ruling by plebiscite.

Good to see that you have immersed your self in French culture. You've certainly mastered the arrogance bit.

It was exactly comments like yours that made a Brexit possible.:thumbsup: I truly do thank you because without your insults that last 3 % would never have voted out

 

[Jam_Man]

Nigel Farage: "I was met with a torrent of abuse today" in the European Parliament.

Well, that's amazing!...............and I thought you were so magnanimous in victory. :smile:

First you rub peoples noses in your victory. Then you insult them with "none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives" You then go on to insuate that the EU really needs us more than we need the EU (true or not) and that you should be sensible and grown and give us exactly what we want........a better deal than we present have.
Surely, Mr Farage must be one of our main negociators when talks finally get under way, he just has a way with diplomacy.

Was absurd how he behaved.

I think he thought Brexit was all about him.

One minute saying we needed grown up and mature discussions to take place and then in the very next sentence he started slating them for not having jobs.

He did get heckled and booed but you conveniently forget one MEP did stand up for him. Ok it was the German National Front member, but at least he has a friend :smile:

 

[RHB]

As a child and teenager I was always taught that if you have achieved success in something then be proud of your efforts but don't crow loudly to others about your success. I have just watched Nigel Farage address the European Parliament and I have realised that he was not privy to the advice that I received. Listening to him made me sad to be British.

 

[Benfleet A1]

As a child and teenager I was always taught that if you have achieved success in something then be proud of your efforts but don't crow loudly to others about your success. I have just watched Nigel Farage address the European Parliament and I have realised that he was not privy to the advice that I received. Listening to him made me sad to be British.

Oh get a grip will you. Farage acted exactly how he has always acted in the EU, like a ****ing idiot. All this 'sad to be British' bollocks climbs right on my tits.

Man up.

 

[RHB]

Oh get a grip will you. Farage acted exactly how he has always acted in the EU, like a ****ing idiot. All this 'sad to be British' bollocks climbs right on my tits.

Man up.

Thanks for the counselling mate, it's always good to hear from you and I feel so much better now. Man up it is then!

 

[Benfleet A1]

Thanks for the counselling mate, it's always good to hear from you and I feel so much better now. Man up it is then!

Hey, here to help. Farage is spent and that's coming from a ex fully paid up UKIP member. I saw the light with him last year and have watched him make a cretin of himself ever since. What ever negotiations take place you can rest easy that he won't be anywhere near them.

Now go have a bacon sandwich with real mans English mustard.