The EU Referendum

[londonblue]

Out of interest which ones of yours did he debunk?

That this vote is all about gut feeling because there is no real evidence out there.

 

[Supernaut]

That this vote is all about gut feeling because there is no real evidence out there.

What's this real evidence then and, more importantly, why isn't the remain campaign using it, rather than fighting a campaign based purely on negative conjecture?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Indeed, ask school teachers and prison officers!

Had a very heated discussion with my daughter on Saturday night where she suggested to me that my views were "racist". This is the trouble with a large number of young people these days, who see any criticism of a system where immigrants are granted various things of benefit as being racist. Apparently the worst thing I said was that there are large parts of the East End where you can no longer find a white face - again, not racist, but simply a fact.

I tried to explain that this country has always welcomed immigrants, particularly in the 50s with large influxes of West Indian and Middle Eastern families. The huge difference is that these people integrated and adopted/adapted to our way of living, and far too many of those currently arriving have no wish to do so.

I was actually quite surprised that someone on the front line of immigration working as she does on border force, would be in favour of "remain".

Well done on your daughter for calling you out on it. You can be proud of the daughter you raised. Although I dread to think why you'd have been making that ill-informed point about the East End in the first place. Clearly her first hand experiences on the front line have left her better informed than your second hand ones. If you need to fact check next time any sweeping statements about where I live feel free to ask!

Whilst we're posting links to videos, here's a brilliant one. It's nearly 25 minutes long so I doubt many will watch the whole thing, but anyone about to vote leave really ought to watch before voting.

[video=youtube;USTypBKEd8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y[/video]

Agreed, well worth a watch for the legal analysis for anyone who wants to "take back control".

Don't you worry about them OBL you are quite right in what you said. There are plenty of estates in Tower Hamlets that are over 90% non white. I worked there for years and lived in East Ham.

When we were chased off of the Ocean estate in Stepney Green by a mob around 100 Bengalis with knives. The police or the Fire brigade senior management refused to investigate and not one self appointed 'community leader' ever come forward. It suites left wing public sector ladder climbers to ignore such events.

The Ocean Estate was knocked down a few years ago and redeveloped. It's not like that any more thankfully.

 

[rigsby]

That this vote is all about gut feeling because there is no real evidence out there.

We do have the EU and whether it works or not for people at the moment. How has it performed in the last 10 years and where do you think it will be in ten years time.

 

[rigsby]

You mean like this?

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

No. This is not a public inquiry. 10 or 20 victims that have been failed by a system then yes an independent inquiry. But with 1400 victims and wide spread covering up for years we need a public inquiry. Many of locals claimed the gangs were untouchable and they were also big players in the drug world.

You can see how some people on here are keen to hide the facts because the gangs were mainly muslim. Its exactly the same reason why those vulnerable girls were completely failed by spineless high ranking public sector management including the police.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Plays the man rather than the ball but uses 'that' rather than 'than'.

:thumbsup:

:sad::sad::sad: ohhh no, the worlds gonna end. A spelling mistake :hilarious: Well done :thumbsup:

Lighten up, life's too short

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Yes. I've gone from leave to remain.

Why? ........

 

[Napster]

Why? ........

It's turned into a question of xenophobia rather than business/economics. I don't want to be associated with Farage et al.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...toking-intolerance-with-immigration-obsession

Cameron calls it right (for once).

 

[rigsby]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...toking-intolerance-with-immigration-obsession

Cameron calls it right (for once).

I forgot you have now abandoned Marxism to become 'Tory Boy'

 

[Pubey]

I forgot you have now abandoned Marxism to become 'Tory Boy'

Play the post, rather than the poster. Then you get the high ground if things turn insulting. I hate to say it but it was an interesting article that Barna has posted. I imagine DC is feeling pretty isolated right now.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I forgot you have now abandoned Marxism to become 'Tory Boy'

he said 'for once'.
Each option on the referendum is backed by Tories, for you not to accuse someone of being a Tory they'd have to abstain which is not going to happen.

 

[rigsby]

he said 'for once'.
Each option on the referendum is backed by Tories, for you not to accuse someone of being a Tory they'd have to abstain which is not going to happen.

Nice of you to convert as well Another Surrey Tory. Thought the leave campaign won the TV debate at Wembley tonight as the remain had only project fear to rely on. What say you?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Nice of you to convert as well Another Surrey Tory. Thought the leave campaign won the TV debate at Wembley tonight as the remain had only project fear to rely on. What say you?

convert?
Not backing Johnson, Gove, Reese-Mog and a majority of Tory voters makes me a Tory? You may have to flesh out your logic on that a little bit. I'm not sure you have grasped how this works. That or you have lost any energy to make your insults relevant.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I forgot you have now abandoned Marxism to become 'Tory Boy'

I'm certainly no longer a member of the CPGB (and haven't been for many years).

FYI,I've never voted Tory and never would.

 

[londonblue]

What's this real evidence then and, more importantly, why isn't the remain campaign using it, rather than fighting a campaign based purely on negative conjecture?

Watch the video clip.

 

[londonblue]

We do have the EU and whether it works or not for people at the moment. How has it performed in the last 10 years and where do you think it will be in ten years time.

That is more like the type of question you'd get when writing a thesis of about 10,000 words. It's simply not possible to answer that question fully on an internet forum.

But, for me (in extreme summary). I think it has performed well, but could do better. I also don't have a crystal ball so can't say where it will be in 10 years time.

 

[callan]

What's this real evidence then and, more importantly, why isn't the remain campaign using it, rather than fighting a campaign based purely on negative conjecture?

Having now watched the video, it has been made by a guy who specializes in EU law and has advised our government on it.

As for the video itself, I didn't find it particularly helpful from either a remain or leave perspective, and fairly disingenuous at times.

Maybe I had too high an expectation, and was expecting the holy grail to be delivered.

There are also a couple of points in the video where you think I'm not sure about that....I imagine there is a very good reason that Remain have not used this video and that is that it can possibly be discredited.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

That is more like the type of question you'd get when writing a thesis of about 10,000 words. It's simply not possible to answer that question fully on an internet forum.

But, for me (in extreme summary). I think it has performed well, but could do better. I also don't have a crystal ball so can't say where it will be in 10 years time.

In terms of the next ten years staying in is more predictable than leaving and I think that will sway a lot of undecided voters.

 

[Uncle Leo]

In terms of the next ten years staying in is more predictable than leaving and I think that will sway a lot of undecided voters.

On that, I read that the last 24 referendums worldwide have ended up with maintaining the status quo. 'Better the devil you know' will win the day.