The EU Referendum

[Massimo Giovanni]

A.S.S. Is correct, vote Leave and we are two years from "out".
In those two years a lot will happen, we would see the threats from the German and French & judge them by their actions not their bullying words.
Other countries may hold their own referendum to Leave.
The new President in Washington, she will have her own ideas too.
It is a time to be careful for sure BUT not a time for cowering in a corner like a naughty child.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

A.S.S. Is correct, vote Leave and we are two years from "out".
In those two years a lot will happen, we would see the threats from the German and French & judge them by their actions not their bullying words.
Other countries may hold their own referendum to Leave.
The new President in Washington, she will have her own ideas too.
It is a time to be careful for sure BUT not a time for cowering in a corner like a naughty child.

Do you have some inside information concerning the result of the USA Presidential election.................if so, perhaps you also have some info on the referedndum result? :winking:

 

[rigsby]

Excuse me but I thought the Green candidate narrowly won in Austria?

If the right wing can't win there where will they? :unsure:

Like I said only a blind fool will say it will never happen. You were in my thoughts as I typed those very words :winking:

By the way my mate has got 12/1 on an out/out by the 24th. That is Brexit and England out of the football..

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Do you have some inside information concerning the result of the USA Presidential election.................if so, perhaps you also have some info on the referedndum result? :winking:

MG is (fairly) obviously right about the US Presidential election result (despite what Rusty might think) :winking:

Calling the referendum result right is however a much closer call.:sad:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Like I said only a blind fool will say it will never happen. You were in my thoughts as I typed those very words :winking:

By the way my mate has got 12/1 on an out/out by the 24th. That is Brexit and England out of the football..

Your mate should win the Euro part of the vote (though England might well progress to the last 16).

Brexit is much closer to call.

Either way,he'll lose his stake money I reckon.

(FYI,I'm neither blind,nor a fool.Nor did I say it would never happen.).:smile:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Think this backs up what I was saying yesterday about one of the consequences of a Brexit vote.

"Writing in the Observer, shadow chancellor John McDonnell says any new trade deals that the UK makes with other countries if it leaves the EU would lead to the dismantling of workers’ rights. “If we don’t fight to keep and expand the working rights we have at an EU level, then a Tory Brexit government will only negotiate them away in trade deals that will resemble TTIP [the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership] on steroids,” he says."

 

[OldBlueLady]

Think this backs up what I was saying yesterday about one of the consequences of a Brexit vote.

"Writing in the Observer, shadow chancellor John McDonnell says any new trade deals that the UK makes with other countries if it leaves the EU would lead to the dismantling of workers’ rights. “If we don’t fight to keep and expand the working rights we have at an EU level, then a Tory Brexit government will only negotiate them away in trade deals that will resemble TTIP [the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership] on steroids,” he says."

How would that happen? We have some of the strongest Trades Unions about, workers rights will never be lost in the UK - with or without Brexit!

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

How would that happen? We have some of the strongest Trades Unions about, workers rights will never be lost in the UK - with or without Brexit!

Well that may have been.....................prior to Thatcher! Read up on what the implications of a TTIP agreement would be. If the unions are that strong, how have things like zero-hour contracts been so easily implemented? :smile:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Sometimes the truth will out with Brexit campaigners. :smile:

http://news.sky.com/story/1710706/blond-bombshell-boris-admits-he-dyes-his-hair

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

still waiting to hear from the Brexiters. Would Nissan have invested in the Sunderland factory if we had not been in the EU?



BTW the answer is no. Nissan is on the list saying we'd be mad to leave.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

still waiting to hear from the Brexiters. Would Nissan have invested in the Sunderland factory if we had not been in the EU?



BTW the answer is no. Nissan is on the list saying we'd be mad to leave.

Could the answer not be maybe, depends on how the UK economy was at the time, the value of the £ against the euro and $, also how much of a grant the UK Guv supplied. Lots of possibles in your hypothetical question.

However you have made an example of a good investment being well made, supported and progressing; the list of similar company fortunes is too small compared to the list of companies/businesses that haven't flourished and have exited the UK because of the EU.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

And C'mon y Shrimpers, you mention the Italian car industry AND that has been hard hit by the EU and being in the common currency while the Germany Auto Makers have flourished.
Not really an example to "boast" of EU fairness and success is it unless you are solely a UK little european?.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

no the answer is no.
BTW this sums up nicely the views of the car industry
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...dustry-votes-favour-Britain-remaining-EU.html

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

And C'mon y Shrimpers, you mention the Italian car industry AND that has been hard hit by the EU and being in the common currency while the Germany Auto Makers have flourished.
Not really an example to "boast" of EU fairness and success is it unless you are solely a UK little european?.

I've reread this post several times and fail to understand your point. We are in a competitive relationship with other EU countries. We are incredibly efficient and the Italians are not. At the moment companies would rather invest in the UK than Italy. I don't blame them. After Brexit this will not be the case. Leaving would hit our car makers. There would be a tariff. Most cars are exported. I think Nissan would be very impressed by this NOT.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

no the answer is no.
BTW this sums up nicely the views of the car industry
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...dustry-votes-favour-Britain-remaining-EU.html

I believe there are other posters who do links to surveys AND many of them are not balanced by thinking that both the question asked and the persons asked are directly related to the answer given; for example ask Ford (only build Transits in UK) that are largely non Uk majority placed and they WOULD answer an easy way; BUT if you asked a parts manufacturer who would supply parts/export world wide more with a cheaper £ the answer may be not the same.

I do, as yo do, read and listen to business articles, but I also try to understand the bias which we/they all have to some degree.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

I do, as yo do, read and listen to business articles, but I also try to understand the bias which we/they all have to some degree.

Indeed. As my AVCs mature on the 30/06/16 and I do not want a stock market fall post 23/06/16. I look at the markets. I'll post a link next week with the views of the financual sector. As we all know they are massivelyly against Brexit. Hopefully I can find a link to explain why. Then for my final flourish I can as a retired local govenment employee tell all about the Acts of Parliament councils and other authorities have administered for health and social care. The conclusion is all are pased by our government (for good and ill in the case of the Mental Capacity Act 2005) and the EU involvement pretty much zero. The Human Rights Act is there somewhere but this is nothing to do with the EU although all EU countries are signed up I believe. Councils have signed up to the European Working Time Directive but this is not a bad thing.

On the other hand I might not as I've already said what I want to say. I'm not that much of a fan of the EU TBH. There's a lot wrong with it. But that does not mean Brexit is sensible because it's not.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Vested interest declared. If the the £ suffers a 30% hit, as some analyst's are suggesting, that would severely diminish the three small pensions we receive from England. :'(

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Vested interest declared. If the the £ suffers a 30% hit, as some analyst's are suggesting, that would severely diminish the three small pensions we receive from England. :'(

Would this lead to one or two less bottles of wine a week?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Vested interest declared. If the the £ suffers a 30% hit, as some analyst's are suggesting, that would severely diminish the three small pensions we receive from England. :'(

Good for you Yogi (the honesty and open post), self interest is quite sensible and must affect votes; I am sure my pension/house/holiday/savings etc will take a "hit" for a Brexit: BUT I think that is a shorter (5-10 year) price I can, and the Nation, carry for the longer term good of the UK, and my children and grand children.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Would this lead to one or two less bottles of wine a day?

amended for correctness. :smile: