The Brown out bridgade, a question??

[OldBlueLady]

It's not as if he joined pre-season is it. He had an opportunity to assess current squad and bring in new faces, albeit with restrictions. I'm not a fan of the revolving door at all so see no need to press panic buttons. At the same time it doesn't matter how 'good' a squad is getting sucked into a relegation battle is not something that can be overlooked. We need to pick up wins and soon. Drop Corr into central defence and fill that 20th slot with Kevin Maher. There that's a good start.

Not bring Adam Barrett back for defence..........? :whistling:

 

[* ORM *]

Not bring Adam Barrett back for defence..........? :whistling:

This is not a suicide mission :smile:

 

[Silencer]

Its all about results. If we all perform poor in our normal jobs there will only be a matter of time before serious consequences. This is the case with pb if things dont turn around he will be out.

But if you have a job with basic tools, inferior systems or average staff - you can't expect to compete with the better companies!!!!

With this in mind, why should PB be out - Sturrock was backed to a certain extent, Brown has been under a constant embargo with limited funds and stuck with some of Sturrock's mistakes stuck on contracts - (Paul Smith, Anthony Straker). Throw into the mix that Brown's hands were tied in losing most of our 'better players' Cresswell, Clohessy, Tomlin, Assombolonga.

If you look at our restrictions, on paper what would be a realistic target for Southend United...I mean a realistic target and not what the moaning Southend fans want or expect because we all want more. Looking at the threadbare squad, embargo etc the play offs would be immense, top half arguably an acheivement, I would say mid table or mid table safety would be about par.

 

[Silencer]

Dave Smith used even less.

I'd have Tilly back.

Tilson was very very lucky - he had a good coach with him in Paul Brush and got lucky with the players he inherited. Flavs, Maher and Gower were all already here and all played a huge part in those back to back promotions.

Also, he had the young Freddy factor - a Freddy who Tilson didn't even fancy when Mark Stimson (Grays) offered him to us.

Throw into the mix, Tilson had more than 20 players when we were relegated without a whimper - twice!!!!

 

[mrsblue]

But if you have a job with basic tools, inferior systems or average staff - you can't expect to compete with the better companies!!!!

With this in mind, why should PB be out - Sturrock was backed to a certain extent, Brown has been under a constant embargo with limited funds and stuck with some of Sturrock's mistakes stuck on contracts - (Paul Smith, Anthony Straker). Throw into the mix that Brown's hands were tied in losing most of our 'better players' Cresswell, Clohessy, Tomlin, Assombolonga.

If you look at our restrictions, on paper what would be a realistic target for Southend United...I mean a realistic target and not what the moaning Southend fans want or expect because we all want more. Looking at the threadbare squad, embargo etc the play offs would be immense, top half arguably an acheivement, I would say mid table or mid table safety would be about par.

If we have 55 points by May that IMO is success,Just being realistic or a complete cynic.

 

[Silencer]

If we have 55 points by May that IMO is success,Just being realistic or a complete cynic.

Exactly - If we can still have a chance of flirting with the play offs come March/April, I would be very happy.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

Tilson was very very lucky - he had a good coach with him in Paul Brush and got lucky with the players he inherited. Flavs, Maher and Gower were all already here and all played a huge part in those back to back promotions.

Also, he had the young Freddy factor - a Freddy who Tilson didn't even fancy when Mark Stimson (Grays) offered him to us.

Throw into the mix, Tilson had more than 20 players when we were relegated without a whimper - twice!!!!

bizarre and strange post ...... I suppose those great days with 10k rammed into the Hall every week were down to Paul Sturrock playing Billy Best up front ....

never mind I do think a lot of Southend fans love league 2 - and prefer a good moan, hoofball and crowds of 4k -

and poor old Phil Brown stuck with a dodgy chairman and a crowd of whingers

 

[onceknownasrab]

Well I am not sure what all the fuss is about. Plainly we would all like to be higher in the table but blow me its not even Christmas and the daggers are drawn. The side looks fitter. By and large they are playing more attractive football than in several of the previous seasons and we have not always had the rub of the green.

It appears to me that we are not a bad side and with a little tweaking could be quite a good side. I like the young age of the squad and the youths coming through which all lends itself to potential. A squad that in time may challenge for promotion and if getting up may have a core of players that are progressing enough to be used in Lg 1.

I feel sure there are a lot of positives about the squad currently and it is closer to being a successful side than it is being a relegation side. If it takes until next season to press for promotion then sobeit.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Also, he had the young Freddy factor - a Freddy who Tilson didn't even fancy when Mark Stimson (Grays) offered him to us.

I've posted about this before. I know for a fact that this is utter garbage! Tilson wanted to play hardball when Grays decided to raise the price after initial one was agreed before the loan.

I feel very very lucky to have witnessed the football, quality players and joys we had while Tilson was manager before Ron destroyed it.......something I doubt we will witness again for a very long time.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Well I am not sure what all the fuss is about. Plainly we would all like to be higher in the table but blow me its not even Christmas and the daggers are drawn. The side looks fitter. By and large they are playing more attractive football than in several of the previous seasons and we have not always had the rub of the green.

It appears to me that we are not a bad side and with a little tweaking could be quite a good side. I like the young age of the squad and the youths coming through which all lends itself to potential. A squad that in time may challenge for promotion and if getting up may have a core of players that are progressing enough to be used in Lg 1.

I feel sure there are a lot of positives about the squad currently and it is closer to being a successful side than it is being a relegation side. If it takes until next season to press for promotion then sobeit.

I think they have won a couple and lost a couple too. More importantly, there are above us at the moment too.

 

[TTS]

I've posted about this before. I know for a fact that this is utter garbage! Tilson wanted to play hardball when Grays decided to raise the price after initial one was agreed before the loan.

I feel very very lucky to have witnessed the football, quality players and joys we had while Tilson was manager before Ron destroyed it.......something I doubt we will witness again for a very long time.

Just asking - but did Ron not also help create it as well before destroying it ?? Managers had been backed to enable the type of players we had bought in , ie Gower, Eastwood, Goater and Clarke etc

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Just asking - but did Ron not also help create it as well before destroying it ?? Managers had been backed to enable the type of players we had bought in , ie Gower, Eastwood, Goater and Clarke etc

Yes of course he played his part in that, and lavished himself in the glory. I think a lot of fans were delighted with Ron during this time.

 

[tia]

Brown has to be given time,his record is not that great but as we all know he is having to work in very trying circumstances.If we do have a new manager Alan Devonshire has done a brilliant job at Braintree on very limited resources.

 

[RHB]

Well I am not sure what all the fuss is about. Plainly we would all like to be higher in the table but blow me its not even Christmas and the daggers are drawn. The side looks fitter. By and large they are playing more attractive football than in several of the previous seasons and we have not always had the rub of the green.

It appears to me that we are not a bad side and with a little tweaking could be quite a good side. I like the young age of the squad and the youths coming through which all lends itself to potential. A squad that in time may challenge for promotion and if getting up may have a core of players that are progressing enough to be used in Lg 1.

I feel sure there are a lot of positives about the squad currently and it is closer to being a successful side than it is being a relegation side. If it takes until next season to press for promotion then sobeit.

This. Totally agree!

 

[Jam_Man]

But if you have a job with basic tools, inferior systems or average staff - you can't expect to compete with the better companies!!!!

With this in mind, why should PB be out - Sturrock was backed to a certain extent, Brown has been under a constant embargo with limited funds and stuck with some of Sturrock's mistakes stuck on contracts - (Paul Smith, Anthony Straker). Throw into the mix that Brown's hands were tied in losing most of our 'better players' Cresswell, Clohessy, Tomlin, Assombolonga.

If you look at our restrictions, on paper what would be a realistic target for Southend United...I mean a realistic target and not what the moaning Southend fans want or expect because we all want more. Looking at the threadbare squad, embargo etc the play offs would be immense, top half arguably an acheivement, I would say mid table or mid table safety would be about par.

Why did you red me for being anti-Brown?

Just because Im unhappy with 6 games without a win (which as a supporter Im stunned you arent) that doesnt make me anti-Brown. If you read the forum regularly, which you cant do you would have seen me defending him during the week!

I wasnt against him coming here and Ive said all along Ill judge him when this season is underway, which it now is and 9 games in.

Most agreed that 10 games into the season was a decent spell in which to evaluate our progress, which as it would appear is no progress whatsoever.

Brown does have restrictions, same as Sturrock did last year (although his second year financially we were fine), he was however able to bring players in and soem of the players he brought in have been successful. White and Atkinson have been good signings, he has done well with Leonard and Eastwood is twice the player he was last year. So whilst he lost some decent players he has gained some.

Im not saying he should be in the top 3, but I am saying we should be winning at last one or two games in six.

If that is having an anti-Brown agenda I really pity your expectations and standards as you seem to accept relegation form as acceptable.

As Ive also said we arent terrible, we are playing ok and Im actually enjoying the games (Morcambe aside) so there are positives, that doesnt mean I cant expect us to win the odd game.

Well I am not sure what all the fuss is about. Plainly we would all like to be higher in the table but blow me its not even Christmas and the daggers are drawn. The side looks fitter. By and large they are playing more attractive football than in several of the previous seasons and we have not always had the rub of the green.

It appears to me that we are not a bad side and with a little tweaking could be quite a good side. I like the young age of the squad and the youths coming through which all lends itself to potential. A squad that in time may challenge for promotion and if getting up may have a core of players that are progressing enough to be used in Lg 1.

I feel sure there are a lot of positives about the squad currently and it is closer to being a successful side than it is being a relegation side. If it takes until next season to press for promotion then sobeit.

All very true, but we do need to win games and criticism can be expected if we dont get results.

Brown was brought in because Sturrock didnt get us promotion, at the moment we are paying more money for him and his backroom team and arent seeing progress up the table even if the style is indeed much better to watch.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Why did you red me for being anti-Brown?

A moderator moaning about rep???! :omg:

 

[Jam_Man]

A moderator moaning about rep???! :omg:

Nope, Im questioning why he says I have an agenda and am anti-Brown and as he didnt have the decency to make that comment in the forum for me to reply to how else can I respond to it...

 

[Firestorm]

My only concern about Brown , or any manager to be fair, is the cost.
If , by spending money either on players or staff wages, we can get success which increases our income then thats brilliant, if it brings success but still results in an increase in our deficit then its not good and if we acheive nothing and it costs more than acheive nothing did on the past three years then its an abject failure.

 

[Jam_Man]

My only concern about Brown , or any manager to be fair, is the cost.
If , by spending money either on players or staff wages, we can get success which increases our income then thats brilliant, if it brings success but still results in an increase in our deficit then its not good and if we acheive nothing and it costs more than acheive nothing did on the past three years then its an abject failure.

Id be surprised if Brown is costing less than last year, and with Wembley beating last year financially will take some doing.

 

[bazzashrimper]

Brown has brought in a few decent players. But team selection, tactics and visible man management is appalling.