The BNP in disguise?

[Interpol Shrimper]

Or as The Sun reported it

Immagrent cats with weapons grade isotopes , hide in boxes to steal our jobs

Was that because they had a headline writer on loan from The Grauniad? :p

 

[J]

I flew into stansted at 2 oclock sat and was met by a sea of forgien faces,i screamed quietly covered my eys as i walk thru the united nations got in my dads car went back to his gaff got my new car and was on the 6 oclock ferry out of the united nations of britain.
ukip,labour,tory,libdem whoever you are all welcome to your country as it is no longer one i could call mine.

Just found this.. fantastic post!

 

[cockles is back]

It gets better. What a total and utter hypocrite you are.

hows your mum?

 

[Pubey]

ah, but is the cat there or not? that is the real question

i thought that cat was in one of 7 girls 7 rucksacks on a bus!?

 

[Wessex]

the post war baby boomers are now in their 50's and since then we have been an aging population with a decreasing birth rate - its a fact -

throw in 18 years of Thatcher looting and pilfering the country dry and its wheres its at now -

What a load of old b0llocks, Thatcher set the UK back on the course for economic recovery during the 80's. In the 1970's the UK was known as the sick man of Europe because of Labour disputes, rampant inflation and currency devaluations. Thatcher defeated the unions, encouraged free enterprise and started the process of privatisation of state assets that has been copied the world over. The state shrunk under Thatcher, the tax burden fell and people were given the chance to become entrepreneurs.

It's so fantastic in the UK today isn't it in the quasi fascist nanny state we live in. Watched everywhere you go by security cameras, stealth taxation (true pilfering on a mind boggling scale), rakes of new legislation, mass immigration, mass emigration of indigenous Brits, home grown terrorism. All courtesy of the wonderful Nu Labour govt

Also why is it so bad to have a declining population? Strikes me as ridiculous to create social problems by allowing uncontrolled immigration just to keep the population at a certain level.

What about incentives for existing UK citizens to have more kids, it's been done in France and has reversed a declining birthrate.

 

[londonblue]

Asylum seekers are expected to seek asylum in the first country of safety. So lets say one legs it from Iran. The most direct route would be and of course this is a european country, Turkey or if you want a EU country then Romania or Bulgaria. Then there is at least another half dozen before the English Channel so that tired theory falls flat on it's face.

So if you're on an aeroplane you have to ask them to stop off at the nearest airport do you?

So the former Commonwealth can come here but and this is the nut tightener, we can't go there? Austrailia, New Zealand, Canada, West Indies and yes, bloody India are near damn impossible to emigrate to, I spent a small fortune on trying to get to Canada and Austrailia but their quota system put paid to that. Now theres an idea, a quota system. But then didn't the EU state a while back that we couldn't do that. Whats good for the goose and all that.

Interesting, you don't want immigrants here, but you wanted to be one yourself? Now there's a double standard if ever there was.

 

[londonblue]

Ah, but I am more than happy to have a full blooded, kick bottom discussion on the merits of left/right views but unfortunatly they are more often than not hi-jacked by oafs who scream bigot (is not the worst bigot one who will not allow another view?) Or by those who cannot conduct themselves without bleating on about 'It's our country and we want it back from *insert whatever here*

I find it boring and non productive and will not be dragged into a slanging match of 'my dads bigger than your dad' proportions. It is childish and purile and unless the mods can provide a area where sensible debate can be conducted without count crunching from the likes of Pubey and druncken ramblings from True Blue then im afraid we will not be able to cross swords as gentlemen. A shame but thats the way it is, unless Cricko or Matt want to change that.

But I wont be drawn into name calling, bignose.

Oh, shut up, Big Nose.

 

[londonblue]

i thought that cat was in one of 7 girls 7 rucksacks on a bus!?

Blimey, read the question. They were backpacks. ;)

 

[osymandus]

What a load of old b0llocks, Thatcher set the UK back on the course for economic recovery during the 80's. In the 1970's the UK was known as the sick man of Europe because of Labour disputes, rampant inflation and currency devaluations. Thatcher defeated the unions, encouraged free enterprise and started the process of privatisation of state assets that has been copied the world over. The state shrunk under Thatcher, the tax burden fell and people were given the chance to become entrepreneurs.

It's so fantastic in the UK today isn't it in the quasi fascist nanny state we live in. Watched everywhere you go by security cameras, stealth taxation (true pilfering on a mind boggling scale), rakes of new legislation, mass immigration, mass emigration of indigenous Brits, home grown terrorism. All courtesy of the wonderful Nu Labour govt

Also why is it so bad to have a declining population? Strikes me as ridiculous to create social problems by allowing uncontrolled immigration just to keep the population at a certain level.

What about incentives for existing UK citizens to have more kids, it's been done in France and has reversed a declining birthrate.

What twaddle , the woman insured the money went to a small portion of the population , and remained there. Selling people back their own services , and claiming they would have larger control. The only people it suited were those who already made an enourmous amount of cash in the first place. They stopted the ridiculous American finacal model (which helped ensure such ideas kept developing areas in their place . And destroyed what rights people did have at work (not all the unions were extremist funnily enough)

No ones saying we life in a fasict state but there are certain rights being eroded for little reason (PGP law anyone , or teh extention of holding suspects for 40 days plus (the secret services dont agree with it !))

I agree with you on the not so bad of declining population mind , however it dosnt serve the courrent economic models to downsize ones socity (it only works if youe making profits oddly)

 

[steveo]

What twaddle , the woman insured the money went to a small portion of the population , and remained there

But you have to have rich people or you don’t have thriving businesses so the non rich people wouldn’t have anywhere to work.
Also, this stuff about immigrants supporting the economy doesn’t seem to ring true to me. Presumably there are a whole bunch of them who work for cash and don’t pay any tax, most of the others work for minimum wages and therefore pay hardly any tax and most of the others send most of their money home so they aren’t spending anything here anyway.
Most of the people leaving the country are English people who have had enough and can afford to leave, taking their money with them, or are immigrants who have made to return to their own country and be replaced by one of their countryman who has nothing.

 

[osymandus]

But you have to have rich people or you don’t have thriving businesses so the non rich people wouldn’t have anywhere to work.
Also, this stuff about immigrants supporting the economy doesn’t seem to ring true to me. Presumably there are a whole bunch of them who work for cash and don’t pay any tax, most of the others work for minimum wages and therefore pay hardly any tax and most of the others send most of their money home so they aren’t spending anything here anyway.
Most of the people leaving the country are English people who have had enough and can afford to leave, taking their money with them, or are immigrants who have made to return to their own country and be replaced by one of their countryman who has nothing.

Thats actually not my point , but actually no , you need a steady flow of income within your economy (dispoasble is better). NOt all buisness owners are super rich (infact most of the Super rich have many fingers in pies other then teh buinsess world). And its drive and a creative impulse that creates employment.

Again not that simply. The "black" economy is worth at the last figures about £5 billon to teh economy . Some do by tax , but this is down ot their employers not them (remember unless your acontracter or buisness your not doing your own tax for employment)

Aussie kiwis and South Africans have been doing this for decades now. And a migrant or immagrant with a drive to leave their original countries will find ways and means of providing for themselves. The people leaving well thats down to them but i suspect they can be labeled in just the same way in their new countries.

 

[Keep The Faith]

Do you think those that cant speak English just come here and sit in there front room with no income and just hope someone helps them?[/QUOTE]


Ha ha, just had a vision of all the immigrants turning up then going to sit in the nearest field, waiting for something to happen

 

[steveo]

And its drive and a creative impulse that creates employment

and in most case the potential to become wealthy. They dont do it for fun.

The people leaving well thats down to them but i suspect they can be labeled in just the same way in their new countries

Not the case. People that leave England have usually got the money to sustain some sort of reasonable lifestyle and will therefore be spending money in thier "new" country.
Most people coming here have no skills, no trade and no money.

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

Jesus - where the f**k did this thread come back from?

Am rather proud that I managed to divert it to a quick Quantum Physics discussion half way through :D

 

[J]

Do you think those that cant speak English just come here and sit in there front room with no income and just hope someone helps them?

Ha ha, just had a vision of all the immigrants turning up then going to sit in the nearest field, waiting for something to happen[/QUOTE]

That'll be the day...

 

[osymandus]

and in most case the potential to become wealthy. They dont do it for fun.



Not the case. People that leave England have usually got the money to sustain some sort of reasonable lifestyle and will therefore be spending money in thier "new" country.
Most people coming here have no skills, no trade and no money.

Well funnily enough its never teh entire reason , power and social control and independence are the main factors (moneys a means to an end im sure your aware )

Not true , Eastern block migrants (economic as they were ) for instance had a good many trade and skills , they lacked money in some cases simply having to have sold everything to get here (i count Romanians Teachers and Polish Academics as friends btw so i have a least a small amount of first hand experience) . Amoung my friends in the business world they say the indigenous English are the "laziest" . Mind you i can probably point out that its not always a bad thing and some would prefer you to work until you "dropped" (like they do (oh wait its their buisnesses )) .

However again its a cultural thing for instance traditionally Indian and Jewish backgrounds fro instance have high importance on highly rated social careers (yes its a stereotype but it proved in some cases to be true .

They point we all miss is every individual in any society has teh right to live as they will , if you would like to live off the land move away from taxation and be self sustaining , you should have the right to do so , Equally you should have the right to be a economic high flyer , jet set life style and teh finest things money can by . What you dont have is the right for one choice to superseed or prevent people for living within one or the other.

A society is made up by its people not the other way round . If people come and go well then the society changes . TO complain or crow about it is like shouting into the wind.

 

[osymandus]

Jesus - where the f**k did this thread come back from?

Am rather proud that I managed to divert it to a quick Quantum Physics discussion half way through :D

He he yup , i was trying for jam making but its too specialised a subject

 

[steveo]

They point we all miss is every individual in any society has teh right to live as they will

And this is a major problem with people who have had enough of immigrants flooding this country. Seems anyone has the right to come to England and turn it into their own little home from home. If an Englishman wanted to do the same in some of the muslim countries? Forget it..........

 

[CC51DAS]

Just skipped thru this thread and I will be closing my account with the Banque National de Paris in the morning

 

[osymandus]

And this is a major problem with people who have had enough of immigrants flooding this country. Seems anyone has the right to come to England and turn it into their own little home from home. If an Englishman wanted to do the same in some of the muslim countries? Forget it..........

You missed out this part i put in

What you dont have is the right for one choice to supersede or prevent people for living within one or the other.

So basically no they dont . And under Muslim law they would not be allowed to either .(Mind you Parts of spain with ex pats are quite another thing ;) )