The BNP in disguise?

[Interpol Shrimper]

Jesus - where the f**k did this thread come back from?

Am rather proud that I managed to divert it to a quick Quantum Physics discussion half way through :D

Oi, stop celebrating.
We are still awaiting the commentary & concise update on what's been happening in the "Most Bizarre" thread for the whole of January! :finger: :p

 

[Firestorm]

But you have to have rich people or you don’t have thriving businesses so the non rich people wouldn’t have anywhere to work.

But by selling off the profitable bits of the nationalised industries to her city cronies so that the profits went to a small number of people as opposed to the national coffers , hence supporting the non profitable nationalised industries , eventually led to massive job losses therefore taking money away from the lower classes. This added to the lack of public funds then led to large scale underinvestment in the other industries resulting in them then being sold incredibly cheaply.
The telecoms boom of recent years could have been the cash cow in this decade that North sea oil was in the 70's , but BT was sold off so the country did not benefit

 

[londonblue]

And this is a major problem with people who have had enough of immigrants flooding this country.

Speak for yourself.

Seems anyone has the right to come to England and turn it into their own little home from home. If an Englishman wanted to do the same in some of the muslim countries? Forget it..........

Why bring Muslim countries into this? Look at Southern Spain. English people have pretty much taken it over and turned it into a piece of Britain.

 

[number11]

Speak for yourself.



Why bring Muslim countries into this? Look at Southern Spain. English people have pretty much taken it over and turned it into a piece of Britain.

Id hazard a guess that he brought 'muslim countries into this' as there 'appears to be' more muslim country nationals coming into this country rather than Spanish. Plus he no doubt didnt bring Spain into it as of course under EU law they can come here and us there with minimum restrictions.

 

[osymandus]

Id hazard a guess that he brought 'muslim countries into this' as their 'appears to be' more muslim country nationals coming into this country rather than Spanish. Plus he no dount didnt bring Spain into it as of course under EU law they can come here and us there with minimum restrictions.

and theres the point , perception . There appears to be , and of course those pesky muslims are just all here fro an easy ride .

Which is strange as fro example .Poland is a Catholic country , while Pakistan is primarily muslim , Sikhs Hindus, Buddhist and Christians all come from there. Indian is the reverse with Hindu's being the majority.

Dont get me started on those Napoliese, Australin's, New Zelanders, etc etc . Each new person is their own , what they choice to do with their ideologys is down to them . Ignorance breeds this (on both sides) and unquestioning obediance to ANY religion, philosophey etc.

 

[steveo]

Why bring Muslim countries into this?.

Because they are prime examples of where English people can't go and set up home and churches and schools, which is what Muslim people seem to able to do over here.

The obvious exception seem to be the people often referred to on the News as British Citizens, for example Moazzam Begg or Feroz Abbasi and Martin Mubanga.
All arrested in Afghanistan during the war, probably over there doing a bit of sight seeing, and in real terms not British at all.

 

[Wessex]

and theres the point , perception . There appears to be , and of course those pesky muslims are just all here fro an easy ride. I don't agree that this is the perception by and large they're hard working decent people. My perception of the problem is that they view their culture, religion and lifestyle as superior to that of the host country, IE the UK, and therefore they remain isolated in their own communities. The expectation is that our culture should change to accomodate them rather than them making any compromises to their own culture to refelct the fact that they are living in a secular western democracy

Which is strange as fro example .Poland is a Catholic country , while Pakistan is primarily muslim , Sikhs Hindus, Buddhist and Christians all come from there. Indian is the reverse with Hindu's being the majority. Difference is that minorities are persecuted in Pakistan whereas they aren't in India. Is this because the religion is intolerant of other religions?

Dont get me started on those Napoliese, Australin's, New Zelanders, etc etc . Each new person is their own , what they choice to do with their ideologys is down to them . Ignorance breeds this (on both sides) and unquestioning obediance to ANY religion, philosophey etc.We should welcome our colonial chums rather than exclude them. They have far more in common with us than immigrants from the Middle East and countries like Somalia. We share culture, language, religion, blood, history to name a few and they willingly stood by us in our darkest hours during the first and second world wars.If any nations have earned our gratitude and respect then it's them.

 

[MK Shrimper]

We share culture, language, religion, blood, history to name a few and they willingly stood by us in our darkest hours during the first and second world wars.If any nations have earned our gratitude and respect then it's them.[/COLOR]

Which includes Pakistan which, as part of India, fought alongside us in WW1 & WW2.

 

[Wessex]

Which includes Pakistan which, as part of India, fought alongside us in WW1 & WW2.

Tricky one that, given that India (pre-partition) was an unwilling subject of the Empire. Indian units captured in N. Africa and Singapore fought for the Germans and the Japanese as part of the INA.

The question is would they have fought for us if they had achieved independence prior to the second world war? The aussies, kiwis, canadians etc were all self governing so they make a conscious choice to stand by the mother country.

 

[Wessex]

Which includes Pakistan which, as part of India, fought alongside us in WW1 & WW2.

BTW you'll notice in my earlier post that I didn't make reference to the subcontinent. This was because of the obvious ties that have existed for several centuries. Point is I'd rather have commonwealth immigrants than those from countries that have no historic links to the UK.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Hard to say Wessex and I didn't know about the other bit. All I know is that my ex's grandfather (a proud Sikh) fought alongside Brits in Burma and was one of only 8 men who returned from his squadron.

 

[Wessex]

Hard to say Wessex and I didn't know about the other bit. All I know is that my ex's grandfather (a proud Sikh) fought alongside Brits in Burma and was one of only 8 men who returned from his squadron.

And for their sacrifices we should be eternally grateful.

The thread has kind of got diverted but the point I was trying to make is that Osymandus seems to think there should be no distinction / preference between immigrants from non EU countries, I get the impression he doesn't like aussies & kiwis.

I think that we should be discerning on who we take in and those who come from commonwealth countries should be given priority exactly because of the example you gave above.

 

[Firestorm]

And for their sacrifices we should be eternally grateful.

The thread has kind of got diverted but the point I was trying to make is that Osymandus seems to think there should be no distinction / preference between immigrants from non EU countries, I get the impression he doesn't like aussies & kiwis.

I think that we should be discerning on who we take in and those who come from commonwealth countries should be given priority exactly because of the example you gave above.

I think the difference between Aus / NZ and India is that whilst both were commonwealth countries, its the indigineous population of the India/pakistan which are being referred to as immigrants when the come over here, whereas the indigineous populations of NZ/Aus were persecuted by the immigrants we sent over there !
Aus/NZ are countries built on the back of immigration who have made it considerably harder for immigrants to enter now they have got enough white people in the country

 

[osymandus]

And for their sacrifices we should be eternally grateful.

The thread has kind of got diverted but the point I was trying to make is that Osymandus seems to think there should be no distinction / preference between immigrants from non EU countries, I get the impression he doesn't like aussies & kiwis.

I think that we should be discerning on who we take in and those who come from commonwealth countries should be given priority exactly because of the example you gave above.

I dont. The distiction should be based on the individuals , not their culture . Skills talents drive etc are the defining factor. Most of my original post was sarcastic . I ahve nothing against any one culture (re Islam believeing theres is supiori to others thats the same for Jewdism , and Christianitinty and Hiduishm (to name but a few) HOWEVER thats again another interrpretation (even in Islam for instance there is none above god however other profits and methods are recognized , however if your unifiying a soiciety to face a you ignore toleranat parts (re George Bush))

Given common history , id look further back then the last 200 years . Also Cartographers seem to dictate what and what isnt an immagrant ;)

 

[Wessex]

I dont. The distiction should be based on the individuals , not their culture . Skills talents drive etc are the defining factor.

Jesus.................................. Immigration officials in this country barely check passports before waving people through, how the hell are they supposed to make an assessment of skills, talents and drive?????

Sorry but if you want a cohesive society let in people who have a change of integrating into it?

Option 1 - Well qualified Indian who speaks English fluently or khat chewing former Somalian child soldier with no command of English

no brainer there as to whole will integrate better and give more to society

Option 2 - Antipodean of anglo-celtic extraction or Afghan pashtun tribesman.

There's a tricky one, is the cultivation of opium poppies and the ability to strip and re-assemble an AK47 an useful skill or not??????

Admitting any of the 4 is potentially a gamble but 2 are acceptable risks and and the other 2 are not. I'll leave you to decide which is which

 

[number11]

I think the difference between Aus / NZ and India is that whilst both were commonwealth countries, its the indigineous population of the India/pakistan which are being referred to as immigrants when the come over here, whereas the indigineous populations of NZ/Aus were persecuted by the immigrants we sent over there !
Aus/NZ are countries built on the back of immigration who have made it considerably harder for immigrants to enter now they have got enough white people in the country

But is that a reason not to let them in? If they are more likely to be ones to intergrate and bring some skill? (Admittedly this may only be the ability to move to South West London and be able to pull a pint!).

 

[osymandus]

I dont. The distiction should be based on the individuals , not their culture . Skills talents drive etc are the defining factor.

Jesus.................................. Immigration officials in this country barely check passports before waving people through, how the hell are they supposed to make an assessment of skills, talents and drive?????

Sorry but if you want a cohesive society let in people who have a change of integrating into it?

Option 1 - Well qualified Indian who speaks English fluently or khat chewing former Somalian child soldier with no command of English

no brainer there as to whole will integrate better and give more to society

Option 2 - Antipodean of anglo-celtic extraction or Afghan pashtun tribesman.

There's a tricky one, is the cultivation of opium poppies and the ability to strip and re-assemble an AK47 an useful skill or not??????

Admitting any of the 4 is potentially a gamble but 2 are acceptable risks and and the other 2 are not. I'll leave you to decide which is which

Well firstly thats a failing of the system itself . Cant change that now that would be crazy (oh wait!)

2nd ) WHAT !!! The well qualified Indian may have extremist nationlist views say or if an old school male ingarined in the caste system see woman as objects and think his daughters are a wast of space (or am i using extremist examples to make a point hmm ?).
The ex child soilder maybe a shattered passive aggresive , who reacts at load noises and crys themsleves to sleep . Come on ! Perfect examples of individuals being judged on who they are.

Again your second example , perchant for over drinking maybe , whats the useful skills the person from Oceanina have in this case. At least for instance the tribesman is self sufficent , has great manual dexterety and can work in low light conditions (and one can suspect they became a poppie farmer (gun training would be for survival maybe ?) As cash crops took over from their more practical crops .(Or we can flip it all again your way).

 

[J]

There would be no arguements about immigration.. if no one was let in at all.

 

[Wessex]

Well firstly thats a failing of the system itself . Cant change that now that would be crazy (oh wait!)

2nd ) WHAT !!! The well qualified Indian may have extremist nationlist views say or if an old school male ingarined in the caste system see woman as objects and think his daughters are a wast of space (or am i using extremist examples to make a point hmm ?).
The ex child soilder maybe a shattered passive aggresive , who reacts at load noises and crys themsleves to sleep . Come on ! Perfect examples of individuals being judged on who they are.

Again your second example , perchant for over drinking maybe , whats the useful skills the person from Oceanina have in this case. At least for instance the tribesman is self sufficent , has great manual dexterety and can work in low light conditions (and one can suspect they became a poppie farmer (gun training would be for survival maybe ?) As cash crops took over from their more practical crops .(Or we can flip it all again your way).

I'm well aware I'm making sweeping generalisations but nevertheless it's easier to allow immigration to those who potentially will integrate far more easily.

TMWLT - A multicultural society may not be ideal but give me that over a nazi state anyday.

 

[Dept36]

Surely the final countdown by Europe is the way forward,de de de da da da its the final countdown,go on you know it makes sense.