Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[Cricko]

And when you combine this with the unrealistic expectations for this season you kinda get a perfect Maher out storm.

Some folk on here have said that they think we could have achieved 2nd place. Madness.

No manager alive (or dead) could have done a better job with the cards that Maher has been dealt.

We should expect much less of next season too. Rebuilding a club takes time, and is more than just replacing a manager.

All this talk of a new manager is bonkers.

I just wish that those who continue to hijack threads with this nonsense would pipe down, let the rest of us enjoy Shrimperzone, and if they have to vent find somewhere else to do it.

Maybe the mods could create a chat room just for this.

We have one i just never turn it on.

 

[Che's Left Foot]

[snip]
All this talk of a new manager is bonkers.

I just wish that those who continue to hijack threads with this nonsense would pipe down, let the rest of us enjoy Shrimperzone, and if they have to vent find somewhere else to do it.

Maybe the mods could create a chat room just for this.

That's precisely what this thread is debating
If those are offended by threads they don't agree with, they aren't obliged to read them.

 

[Smiffy]

I am infinitely more bored watching us this season though.

Agreed.

 

[Liam AAS]

After the gap beteen yes and no had narrowed to nearly single digitsj, one decent performance seems to have changed many minds and has widened again Seriously, is one single game really enough evidence to change your view?

As the pendulum swings between abysmal and awesome, there are no single games. There is no one story to be told from our season so far beyond a frustrating struggle to find consistency.

Maybe some people are just realising that we aren't **** and as a result the manager shouldn't be sacked.

My personal attitude towards performances is that everyone can have a bad day at the office, and often poor decision making in a split second can cost you a game (see Bonne v Sittingbourne). In the medium term, routinely poor performances and (more importantly) bad results can usually be ascribed to management. In the long term, it is often ownership and senior leaders that have set the wrong course leading to chronic, often terminal decline.

We haven't even got to that midway point yet, because we're in the top half of the table. My opinion is that we've seen poor quality, tired performances from a small squad that lost 2 of its best players (that dictate the way the team plays) in the summer.

Maybe everyone is remembering that a lot of these players ran through brick walls for the management team last year and kept the club alive as a result.

Maybe the votes are swinging because other people see that too?

 

[blues exile]

As the pendulum swings between abysmal and awesome, there are no single games. There is no one story to be told from our season so far beyond a frustrating struggle to find consistency.

Maybe some people are just realising that we aren't **** and as a result the manager shouldn't be sacked.

My personal attitude towards performances is that everyone can have a bad day at the office, and often poor decision making in a split second can cost you a game (see Bonne v Sittingbourne). In the medium term, routinely poor performances and (more importantly) bad results can usually be ascribed to management. In the long term, it is often ownership and senior leaders that have set the wrong course leading to chronic, often terminal decline.

We haven't even got to that midway point yet, because we're in the top half of the table. My opinion is that we've seen poor quality, tired performances from a small squad that lost 2 of its best players (that dictate the way the team plays) in the summer.

Maybe everyone is remembering that a lot of these players ran through brick walls for the management team last year and kept the club alive as a result.

Maybe the votes are swinging because other people see that too?

If a number of people can change theiir mind on the evidence of one game which is what happened here then they can soon change it again if we lose next time. Suggests kneejerk reactions rather than considered opinions.

 

[ShoeburySU]

Football is a results business for managers(head coaches) whereas a lot of fans it’s an entertainment business and when the performance are perceived to be below expectations then we get noisy.

Look are Burnley and their current record, they are doing well but their fans are not enthusiastic about the style, add it life is tough and football is more expensive then ever no wonder so many are anti mahar and think there is a change required.

Personally I expected nothing from this season as Ron screwed is over by making everything so difficult and short of relegation Kev is safe, then hopefully more interesting football next season with the side wards and backwards we see too often

 

[Liam AAS]

If a number of people can change theiir mind on the evidence of one game which is what happened here then they can soon change it again if we lose next time. Suggests kneejerk reactions rather than considered opinions.

Correlation is not causation. I wonder if that is factored into to some people's "considered opinions"

 

[onceknownasrab]

As the pendulum swings between abysmal and awesome, there are no single games. There is no one story to be told from our season so far beyond a frustrating struggle to find consistency.

Maybe some people are just realising that we aren't **** and as a result the manager shouldn't be sacked.

My personal attitude towards performances is that everyone can have a bad day at the office, and often poor decision making in a split second can cost you a game (see Bonne v Sittingbourne). In the medium term, routinely poor performances and (more importantly) bad results can usually be ascribed to management. In the long term, it is often ownership and senior leaders that have set the wrong course leading to chronic, often terminal decline.

We haven't even got to that midway point yet, because we're in the top half of the table. My opinion is that we've seen poor quality, tired performances from a small squad that lost 2 of its best players (that dictate the way the team plays) in the summer.

Maybe everyone is remembering that a lot of these players ran through brick walls for the management team last year and kept the club alive as a result.

Maybe the votes are swinging because other people see that too?

I understand the pro Maher sentiment and in all honesty I think the vast majority of fans, those who voted out included, actually want him to succeed with us. I also realise players have made poor and slow decisions and are, in part, culpable for the play we see too often. Past issues and the need to rebuild have had a detrimental effect.
All that being said, it does not entitle Maher to a free pass from criticism and I wholeheartedly believe he deserves much of the slating he gets. Sittingbourne was ridiculous. I lost count of how many times we had three back marking one attacker with the ball in the oppo half. Sideways and backwards, slow play after the two games against Fylde and D and G was just reverting to type that continued at Maidenhead. This has been symptomatic of the Maher way and is not acceptable. Front foot football proves to be fruitful when deployed and then it's dropped again without rhyme or reason. Add to that and some of the inexplicable selections and substitutions and I think KM, quite rightly, is questioned.
No one in their right mind thought we would get an automatic promotion spot and few were convinced of a play off spot this season. That level of success was a stretch but, if we are rebuilding the team then that meant change. Change that KM resisted whenever possible. What he set us up for was dodgy, poor football that was ruined the second we conceded and certainly made the strikers life impossible.
I hope KM does it for us, but it won't be by reverting to his favoured style.
Despite the perceived division within the zone, Maherites and Mahershites, we all want success, most with Maher but, rightly, they want to see a new direction for us on the field as off it.

 

[Holy Joe]

I understand the pro Maher sentiment and in all honesty I think the vast majority of fans, those who voted out included, actually want him to succeed with us.

Can you want Maher out and want him to succeed with us? If you sack him how can he succeed with us?

 

[onceknownasrab]

Can you want Maher out and want him to succeed with us? If you sack him how can he succeed with us?

You can want him to succeed with us but, have doubts that he can do it. Many, myself included, want him to grow as a manager with us but, we struggle to believe he will when he keeps reverting back. It's not anti-Maher, it's just not buying into his methods and reluctantly feeling he may never will. Let's just hope he can keep the Halifax way going.

 

[Seaside Shrimper]

You can want him to succeed with us but, have doubts that he can do it. Many, myself included, want him to grow as a manager with us but, we struggle to believe he will when he keeps reverting back. It's not anti-Maher, it's just not buying into his methods and reluctantly feeling he may never will. Let's just hope he can keep the Halifax way going.

Can you help me understand then please? Because I am genuinely struggling to get to grips with this logic.

Did you not buy into his methods last season? Do you not consider all of the circumstances around the club so far this season to have any effect on how the team has performed?

Not to say he hasn't made any mistakes, of course he has, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that when he feels he can, there is a very attacking, high press team he likes to select?

I just don't understand how when taking into account his whole tenure at the club we cant be a little more positive when it comes to the long term success of the club with Kev in charge, albeit with frustrations at some performances?

 

[Holy Joe]

You can want him to succeed with us but, have doubts that he can do it. Many, myself included, want him to grow as a manager with us but, we struggle to believe he will when he keeps reverting back. It's not anti-Maher, it's just not buying into his methods and reluctantly feeling he may never will. Let's just hope he can keep the Halifax way going.

Absolutely - I'd be surprised if anyone was 100% certain Kev is the perfect manager for us. But voting to sack him and then saying I hope he succeeds seems at odds.


"It's not anti-Maher, it's just not buying into his methods". I think that is anti Maher!

 

[onceknownasrab]

Can you help me understand then please? Because I am genuinely struggling to get to grips with this logic.

Did you not buy into his methods last season? Do you not consider all of the circumstances around the club so far this season to have any effect on how the team has performed?

Not to say he hasn't made any mistakes, of course he has, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that when he feels he can, there is a very attacking, high press team he likes to select?

I just don't understand how when taking into account his whole tenure at the club we cant be a little more positive when it comes to the long term success of the club with Kev in charge, albeit with frustrations at some performances?

No I didn't buy into his methods last season.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Absolutely - I'd be surprised if anyone was 100% certain Kev is the perfect manager for us. But voting to sack him and then saying I hope he succeeds seems at odds.


"It's not anti-Maher, it's just not buying into his methods". I think that is anti Maher!

Anti-Maher is so personal. I rated him as a player, I understand he's a good guy but not met him and I believe he bleeds Blues blood. I simply am at odds with much he subscribes to as a manager. That doesn't stop me wanting him to win me over with change or fearing he may not.

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

I understand the pro Maher sentiment and in all honesty I think the vast majority of fans, those who voted out included, actually want him to succeed with us. I also realise players have made poor and slow decisions and are, in part, culpable for the play we see too often. Past issues and the need to rebuild have had a detrimental effect.
All that being said, it does not entitle Maher to a free pass from criticism and I wholeheartedly believe he deserves much of the slating he gets. Sittingbourne was ridiculous. I lost count of how many times we had three back marking one attacker with the ball in the oppo half. Sideways and backwards, slow play after the two games against Fylde and D and G was just reverting to type that continued at Maidenhead. This has been symptomatic of the Maher way and is not acceptable. Front foot football proves to be fruitful when deployed and then it's dropped again without rhyme or reason. Add to that and some of the inexplicable selections and substitutions and I think KM, quite rightly, is questioned.
No one in their right mind thought we would get an automatic promotion spot and few were convinced of a play off spot this season. That level of success was a stretch but, if we are rebuilding the team then that meant change. Change that KM resisted whenever possible. What he set us up for was dodgy, poor football that was ruined the second we conceded and certainly made the strikers life impossible.
I hope KM does it for us, but it won't be by reverting to his favoured style.
Despite the perceived division within the zone, Maherites and Mahershites, we all want success, most with Maher but, rightly, they want to see a new direction for us on the field as off it.

As someone else pointed out, 3-4-3 was the formation Kev started with when he got he, so maybe he has reverted to his favourite style....

 

[Seaside Shrimper]

No I didn't buy into his methods last season.

Thanks, that's really cleared that up

 

[onceknownasrab]

As someone else pointed out, 3-4-3 was the formation Kev started with when he got he, so maybe he has reverted to his favourite style....

Shame he ever ditched it. Maybe it worked better at the time with the players he had but, yesterday is yesterday. Today it seems clear that front foot football suits who we have. We can't dwell on or change history but, we do have options about how we proceed in the future.

 

[Avl1983]

You can want him to succeed with us but, have doubts that he can do it. Many, myself included, want him to grow as a manager with us but, we struggle to believe he will when he keeps reverting back. It's not anti-Maher, it's just not buying into his methods and reluctantly feeling he may never will. Let's just hope he can keep the Halifax way going.

Agree with this 100%

 

[Liam AAS]

No I didn't buy into his methods last season.

When he won manager of the season and, inspite of an embargo and all the dual-registration, non-contract players and empty subs benches that came from that, would have led a team to the playoffs if Ron hadn't played silly buggers with HMRC?

Those methods? That season?

 

[onceknownasrab]

When he won manager of the season and, inspite of an embargo and all the dual-registration, non-contract players and empty subs benches that came from that, would have led a team to the playoffs if Ron hadn't played silly buggers with HMRC?

Those methods? That season?

I still did not like the football and personally believe it cost us valuable points. As much as we had an against the odds season I felt it was less than we could of achieved despite everything. Yes Maher got manager of the season, mostly because of the off field shenanigans but, the players to a man made it work the best they could and they should have all been joint player of the season.