Breaking News SZ & Trust meeting with RM Tuesday.

[Firestorm]

Forget that mate. It's gone. All gone.

Whether it has been spent or not, the income has not " come in" yet, so it should reduce our annual loss

 

[onceknownasrab]

Back in VJ's day football was a different prospect, it was perceived as a bunch of hooligans causing hassle.

Now its more family orientated and is seen as a boost for the town.

That Im sure would have played a part in how the council would have had reservations back then and are more supportive now.

That may be a take on it but it shows poor support and judgement from SBC. Firstly back in those days the support was good, the club was a big employer and of course RH would have become a supermarket even then which would have created employment and town improvement. On those grounds I do not feel it was for the council to be obstructive.

In regards of how they perceive football now I am still unaware of just how much input/effort/support they have given and it is an important factor in the clubs future and should be determined. I am not trying to defend RM, I am just trying to see that all involved/interested parties are called to account. If SBC and Sainsburys are doing so much then they have nothing to hide. If some of their action or inaction has delayed things then at least I can point my finger at the culprits and not hang RM for everything.

 

[Jam_Man]

Back in the early 90's we were getting crowds like we get now. Support only got better in the Tilson years.

Stadiums were not being agreed anywhere at that time it was decades before the first one got agreed and Roots Hall was probably one of the last to be built in the 50 years after it was opened.

As for support now, the council agreed the plans and havent got in the way of any amendments and seem to be fully behind the project.

I see no reason to criticise the council for anything to be honest.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Back in the early 90's we were getting crowds like we get now. Support only got better in the Tilson years.

Stadiums were not being agreed anywhere at that time it was decades before the first one got agreed and Roots Hall was probably one of the last to be built in the 50 years after it was opened.


As for support now, the council agreed the plans and havent got in the way of any amendments and seem to be fully behind the project.

I see no reason to criticise the council for anything to be honest.

Well its only opinions. My initial point stands though. If we are to have regular chats with RM we should also have communication with the other involved parties. Surely that is how to get a more rounded picture?

 

[Smiffy]

Whether it has been spent or not, the income has not " come in" yet, so it should reduce our annual loss

Not if it has been borrowed against.

 

[southend4ever]

Will the Trust provide their update on here or on their site? Anyone know when this is expected?

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

I keep reading about how the credit crunch is the real cause of not being able to start on the new stadium. What a load of old tosh, anyone in business knows that as the banks tightened their criteria it was IMPERATIVE to maintain a good credit rating not let it slip to a point where I doubt we would even get a wonga loan ! Not saying the credit rating was good at that time but it's sure got a lot worse in the last couple of years.

RM also managed to alienate and shaft the two people who were responsible for bringing in increased revenue Tilson and Brush.

 

[Jam_Man]

Well its only opinions. My initial point stands though. If we are to have regular chats with RM we should also have communication with the other involved parties. Surely that is how to get a more rounded picture?

I am not really sure what speaking to either of them would achieve.

The council have agreed all of the plans and everything is available on the planning website.

Sainsbury wont get involved with supporters.

 

[Jam_Man]

I keep reading about how the credit crunch is the real cause of not being able to start on the new stadium. What a load of old tosh, anyone in business knows that as the banks tightened their criteria it was IMPERATIVE to maintain a good credit rating not let it slip to a point where I doubt we would even get a wonga loan ! Not saying the credit rating was good at that time but it's sure got a lot worse in the last couple of years.

RM also managed to alienate and shaft the two people who were responsible for bringing in increased revenue Tilson and Brush.

The credit crunch prevented us from getting the financing in place, it was certainly the key factor in the delay.

As I see it the credit crunch also affected the building industry, and therefore our parent companies who couldnt therefore sustain the losses during that delay which then led us to all the problems we have had since.

 

[Jam_Man]

I keep reading about how the credit crunch is the real cause of not being able to start on the new stadium. What a load of old tosh, anyone in business knows that as the banks tightened their criteria it was IMPERATIVE to maintain a good credit rating not let it slip to a point where I doubt we would even get a wonga loan ! Not saying the credit rating was good at that time but it's sure got a lot worse in the last couple of years.

RM also managed to alienate and shaft the two people who were responsible for bringing in increased revenue Tilson and Brush.

The credit crunch prevented us from getting the financing in place, it was certainly the key factor in the delay.

As I see it the credit crunch also affected the building industry, and therefore our parent companies who couldnt therefore sustain the losses during that delay which then led us to all the problems we have had since.

As for Tilson and Brush, the success they brought in certainly brought in money, but do you know how much Peter Clarke cost us :winking:

 

[onceknownasrab]

The credit crunch prevented us from getting the financing in place, it was certainly the key factor in the delay.

As I see it the credit crunch also affected the building industry, and therefore our parent companies who couldnt therefore sustain the losses during that delay which then led us to all the problems we have had since.

As for Tilson and Brush, the success they brought in certainly brought in money, but do you know how much Peter Clarke cost us :winking:

'Finally I wish to reassure the Council that my personal commitment to this Projectas always planned remains undiminished and the need to make provision for the
Stadium to be constructed in possibly 2 phases is as a direct result of these
harsh economic times. Delaying until an improved market returns, indeed if it
does, is I stress not an Option. Either we proceed with the development now,
which guarantees a 14,000 Stadium, regeneration of Roots Hall with a gateway
development together with a subsequent major redevelopment of Sainsbury’s
Town Centre site, or not at all.”

This was said to the council and seems to fly in the face of delay when Sainsburys had already agreed to bankroll the project, albeit three sided, so just where are the hold ups?

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

The credit crunch prevented us from getting the financing in place, it was certainly the key factor in the delay.

As I see it the credit crunch also affected the building industry, and therefore our parent companies who couldnt therefore sustain the losses during that delay which then led us to all the problems we have had since.

As for Tilson and Brush, the success they brought in certainly brought in money, but do you know how much Peter Clarke cost us :winking:

Yeah too much and he didn't even have a full set of teeth which ruined the team photo thus reducing income slightly :smile:

 

[North Wales Shrimper]

I know that I received a credit rating alert on Southend United a couple of days ago. Last time I checked our rating was essentially the company is bust, don't touch with a barge pole.

With respect to those who have moved grounds, although Morecambe could hardly be called an upgrade, frankly, I don't see the point in building a 22,000 seater stadium (as I believe is proposed) which will then sit mostly empty.

It's much better to have a fuller smaller ground than a larger empty ground. Just look at so called big clubs such as Middlesbrough which is always half empty and sounds dead.

Frankly, I'd try and tell Sainsburys to build there new shop at the Farm and if we really need to move build a new ground on the car park where you could build a stadium which is suitable for our use with the additional facilities that we need to bring regular income in to the club (Conferencing etc).

Coventry moved to a new super ground and promptly went bust, however, the facilities they've got are excellent from the times I've been there.

Southampton moved to St. Mary's and also went bust.

Unfortunately, if Ron wants to pursue his Ron World complex I can see us ending in the same position. Realistically, we are not a Premier League club nor are we going to be as we don't seem to be able to get people in through the gates despite having what should be a large catchment to work with.

If we can get people coming from the catchment then - and only then - will Ron World work.

 

[onceknownasrab]

I know that I received a credit rating alert on Southend United a couple of days ago. Last time I checked our rating was essentially the company is bust, don't touch with a barge pole.

With respect to those who have moved grounds, although Morecambe could hardly be called an upgrade, frankly, I don't see the point in building a 22,000 seater stadium (as I believe is proposed) which will then sit mostly empty.

It's much better to have a fuller smaller ground than a larger empty ground. Just look at so called big clubs such as Middlesbrough which is always half empty and sounds dead.

Frankly, I'd try and tell Sainsburys to build there new shop at the Farm and if we really need to move build a new ground on the car park where you could build a stadium which is suitable for our use with the additional facilities that we need to bring regular income in to the club (Conferencing etc).

Coventry moved to a new super ground and promptly went bust, however, the facilities they've got are excellent from the times I've been there.

Southampton moved to St. Mary's and also went bust.

Unfortunately, if Ron wants to pursue his Ron World complex I can see us ending in the same position. Realistically, we are not a Premier League club nor are we going to be as we don't seem to be able to get people in through the gates despite having what should be a large catchment to work with.

If we can get people coming from the catchment then - and only then - will Ron World work.

The council have made it clear there will be no retail development at FF unless the stadium is built there so I doubt Sainsbury are going to do as you suggest.

 

[North Wales Shrimper]

The council have made it clear there will be no retail development at FF unless the stadium is built there so I doubt Sainsbury are going to do as you suggest.

Unfortunately, whilst we need a new ground (lets be honest Roots Hall is falling down) I strongly believe that the Farm as it is proposed at this moment is not viable.

A smaller ground with more retail space and/or a conference centre possibly would be.

 

[Beefy]

I keep reading about how the credit crunch is the real cause of not being able to start on the new stadium. What a load of old tosh, anyone in business knows that as the banks tightened their criteria it was IMPERATIVE to maintain a good credit rating not let it slip to a point where I doubt we would even get a wonga loan ! Not saying the credit rating was good at that time but it's sure got a lot worse in the last couple of years.

RM also managed to alienate and shaft the two people who were responsible for bringing in increased revenue Tilson and Brush.

The problem with the recession isn't really to do with credit ratings. As far as I'm aware we have the funding in place to build a new ground - Sainsburys are pretty much funding everything.

The issue will be that the whole point of the development from a Commerical stand point was building a shedload of flats and a large retail park. None of which are particularly viable investments in this economy. No one is buying property and shops are closing not opening.

 

[kaymac]

How small a capacity ground do you suggest?

 

[FarmdogSUFC]

I know that I received a credit rating alert on Southend United a couple of days ago. Last time I checked our rating was essentially the company is bust, don't touch with a barge pole.

With respect to those who have moved grounds, although Morecambe could hardly be called an upgrade, frankly, I don't see the point in building a 22,000 seater stadium (as I believe is proposed) which will then sit mostly empty.

It's much better to have a fuller smaller ground than a larger empty ground. Just look at so called big clubs such as Middlesbrough which is always half empty and sounds dead.

Frankly, I'd try and tell Sainsburys to build there new shop at the Farm and if we really need to move build a new ground on the car park where you could build a stadium which is suitable for our use with the additional facilities that we need to bring regular income in to the club (Conferencing etc).

Coventry moved to a new super ground and promptly went bust, however, the facilities they've got are excellent from the times I've been there.

Southampton moved to St. Mary's and also went bust.

Unfortunately, if Ron wants to pursue his Ron World complex I can see us ending in the same position. Realistically, we are not a Premier League club nor are we going to be as we don't seem to be able to get people in through the gates despite having what should be a large catchment to work with.

If we can get people coming from the catchment then - and only then - will Ron World work.

Agree with the size of the stadium. Do think it's a bit OTT. I know this is League 2 and the aim is to atleast be a League 1 club with this stadium but seeing as we are just breaking the 5000 mark I don't see 22000 being a great idea. The teams you have mentioned as well are great examples. For me, 15000-18000 would be a better shout.

 

[North Wales Shrimper]

I would be happy with a four sided 15,000 seater stadium. Slightly bigger than we've got at the moment and therefore won't be mostly empty.

It is much easier to expand if we secured ourselves in the Championship than to downsize - aka shut most of it off.

 

[FarmdogSUFC]

I would be happy with a four sided 15,000 seater stadium. Slightly bigger than we've got at the moment and therefore won't be mostly empty.

It is much easier to expand if we secured ourselves in the Championship than to downsize - aka shut most of it off.

A good example of being able to expand as well is MK Dons