Breaking News SZ & Trust meeting with RM Tuesday.

[onceknownasrab]

Ok, so then would you welcome a collective call from the fans, for Ron to publicly state that the club is "for sale" ?

I am not a great believer in that it is in our remit to demand someone sells their business but I am not the sum total of a collective.

For me, we need to pool whatever knowledge we have to get a clearer picture of whats going on. We also need to open up a line of communication with Sainsburys and the local council because they are as involved as RM and in my view as answerable to the fans as RM.

Plans/strategies need to be designed with as many facts as possible. I am sure there are many things we think rather than know about our club.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

His words were "It's not really an embargo we need to settle some bills for a few thousand to other clubs for away ticket sales and as soon as PS identifies players the bills will be paid and we can sign them. Up until last Friday PS hadn't identified anyone". So we are under a not really embargo.

I would like to congratulate you both for not bursting into fits of laughter when he gave that answer. :winking:

 

[MK Shrimper]

Ok, so then would you welcome a collective call from the fans, for Ron to publicly state that the club is "for sale" ?

Who would buy a business that is shipping vast amounts of money every month?

 

[Beefy]

FWIW, I would like to see Ron put the club up for sale. And for a realistic fee. See where that takes us. At least then if parties come forward, we have alternative options to discuss.

The reality is that this probably isn't an option at this stage. As I've said before, Ron Martin is pot committed.

He can't sell the football club with this level of debt on its books. He could sell it for a nominal price if he wrote off the debts to group companies (which is most of what we owe) but that would likely cause the whole house of cards to collapse as those companies assets would have to be written down by the value of the loans.

In order to get out, I believe Ron Martin would need to sell the whole lot. And the question would then be how much would he need in order to personally come out of this in a solvent position?

 

[GBJ]

That is very true. My point is we all know how much in debt nearly all football clubs are and how much of a struggle it is. Nobody knows the day to day running, what goes on, what bills need paying and when, how much work goes on in the background regarding the stadium etc solicitors and the like. There must be so much involved yet all people can say is RM is mugging everyone off.

It would be a great idea if RM could have someone like Ken shadow him for a day just to see what actually happens. A fly on the wall documentary if you will. I predict that a lot of people would have a different view after.

It's quite obvious Ron has a job that he simply cannot handle on his own. Following him around all day wouldn't change my view of that. My view of Ron would only change If he accepted the fact he needs outside help & was willing to give up a slice of RonWorld. I won't hold my breath

 

[Beefy]

If we have stooped to the level of withholding "a few thousand" in ticket money from it's rightful club, then Ron really does need to put out an SOS. That does not sit right with me. And is very concerning indeed.

I doubt any of it sits right with anyone. But if it means that people at SUFC get a wage and that the taxman gets paid then I guess it's the lesser evil.

 

[Beefy]

I would like to congratulate you both for not bursting into fits of laughter when he gave that answer. :winking:

It is a pretty pathetic answer. I guess what he's saying is that it's an embargo but one that we can get out of whenever we want to. So therefore we're only not allowed to sign players because we're choosing to put ourselves in that position.

It all amounts to the same thing at the end of the day.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

After reading his latest comments all I can say is that having this man run the club I love makes me feel sick.

# At the point of giving up

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

It all amounts to the same thing at the end of the day.

Yes and no, add to that it also means there are several clubs that would probably not loan us a player due to being shafted over ticket money and further damage to our already hugely tarnished reputation.

I'm amazed we can do any business still in the football community, the result will be any players we do bring in will be only those who other clubs are desperate to get rid of rather than the likes of Britt who are sent out to get experience.

Fast forward 15 years, lower league clubs will be owned by larger clubs and used to develop talented youth players, I see no way out of this for clubs like SUFC.

 

[Smiffy]

The reality is that this probably isn't an option at this stage. As I've said before, Ron Martin is pot committed.

He can't sell the football club with this level of debt on its books. He could sell it for a nominal price if he wrote off the debts to group companies (which is most of what we owe) but that would likely cause the whole house of cards to collapse as those companies assets would have to be written down by the value of the loans.

In order to get out, I believe Ron Martin would need to sell the whole lot. And the question would then be how much would he need in order to personally come out of this in a solvent position?

I can't disagree with any of that.

But, let's get some figures out in the open. Let's see what it would take for Ron to release control of our club. I personally don't give a toss about FF. If there is an alternate option to survive and perhaps cohabit with Sainsbury at RH, whilst Ron goes off and builds his shopping centre, then lets hear about it.

The same questions keep going round and round on here. "What is the other option?" "Ron is in too deep" etc etc.

Well until the club is put up for sale, then we won't know the answers to these questions will we?

Let's see if any interested parties step forward. That then gives us fans an alternative option. To simply sit back and accept that there are none, is quite frankly bollox in my opinion. If nothing comes of it, then perhaps that will help the remaining fans focus their support in helping the current owner to get over the finishing line and wave him goodbye.

 

[londonblue]

What a load of nonsense, I personally know for fact that PS has identified a ball winning midfielder at Rotherham - so why hasn't he been able to sign him?
However, I also know that PS wishes to maximise the use of loans over the Christmas period so that may explain a delay.

Indeed. The deal was all but tied up. The only issue was that we were waiting until late September so that said player would be available over xmas. Then we were hit with a transfer embargo. The question therefore is why were we allowed to go into an emabargo in the first place?

 

[onceknownasrab]

It's quite obvious Ron has a job that he simply cannot handle on his own. Following him around all day wouldn't change my view of that. My view of Ron would only change If he accepted the fact he needs outside help & was willing to give up a slice of RonWorld. I won't hold my breath

If RM ultimately fails it may be evidence that he had a job he simply could not handle but a juggler has dropped nothing while the balls are in the air. Us fans may also be guilty of standing and watching a juggler instead of lending a hand.

 

[Jam_Man]

If RM ultimately fails it may be evidence that he had a job he simply could not handle but a juggler has dropped nothing while the balls are in the air. Us fans may also be guilty of standing and watching a juggler instead of lending a hand.

Are you saying he has dropped nothing ? ID say a 2.2million tax debt would suggest is a dropped ball (saved by Sainsbury) being unable to pay club staff for months is a dropped ball.

 

[ldnfatso]

If we owe away clubs a matter of thousands for away tickets, who is going to want to send their tickets to us in future? Also, who is going to want to deal with us in any form with the reputation we are buiding for ourselves? I hope RM is proud!

 

[C C Csiders]

I think the FL needs to be much stricter in its punisghment of football related debts. If you get 10 points deduction for administration, I think you should be deducted points rather than have an transfer embargo related to football related debts. 1 point deducted for first offence and increasing by a point every time you would be placed under emabargo. That would soon stop Ron's shenanigans.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Are you saying he has dropped nothing ? ID say a 2.2million tax debt would suggest is a dropped ball (saved by Sainsbury) being unable to pay club staff for months is a dropped ball.

No JamMan, not trying to say the act has been flawless but that as yet it hasn't finished so who knows whether we will be applauding or booing?

Its a bit like this business of him withholding monies from other clubs and so having an embargo. Some people have condemned it but has anyone asked how much SUFC are owed in the same way? It may almost be a norm at certain clubs/levels. I have no idea but then there is so much I would not have details on and many others wont either.

 

[londonblue]

Beggars belief. It really does. It's more than a few thousand as well, isn't it Ron?!...

Why are we sitting on away ticket money? That really is terrible behaviour.

And Ron you know as well as I do, things like that lead to Embargo. So whatever way you want to spin it. We are under Embargo for various non-payment of football debts. Why not just admit it? It just makes it all worse when you continue to treat fans like idiots.

How on earth is he allowed to treat other clubs this way...I am sure he would not like it if it were the other way around and also if we are after a loan player from one of these clubs that PS has "identified" you can imagine that clubs reaction to us.

People wonder why the clubs name gets drags through the dirt, well here is a classic example as to why.

Indeed.

I dont care if its a "few thousand" or a few quid. Why have we not handed over money to clubs when we have pre-sold tickets for a game at their stadium?

That really is very naughty. And will result in us not receiving any tickets for away games before the day. Not to mention damaging our reputation even further. Oh and presenting us with an embargo of course.

I was talking to a friend of mine who works for another League Two club. I'm not saying which club because I don't want to get this guy into trouble - he needs his job!

Basically football league revenue is paid to clubs on a monthly basis. I can't remember what the money is for, but each club gets a certain amount each month. Nearly all clubs hold onto away ticket sales to pay their bills. They do this knowing that they will receive their money from the football league at some point in the month. Once that money arrives each club then settles its away ticket sales revenue. Once the ticket money has become due the club who should have recieved the money can notify the football league that the money is still owing and an embargo is put in place.

Because every club does this the club that is owed the money ususally (out of courtesy) doesn't notify the football league until the day before the next installment of football league revenue is paid. Therefore the club in default would be under an embargo for one day. The next day the FL money is paid, and the club settles its away ticket money bills.

I can therefore only surmise that in our case this happened but for some reason when the FL money was paid to us, we still didn't settle our away ticket sales bill.

Whether we like it or not, this is how the lower league clubs have to behave to survive at the moment.

The chances are, therefore, that this really is only a few thousand at most, but for me the big question is what bill did we have to pay that meant that we couldn't pay over the ticket money?

 

[Mick]

The chances are, therefore, that this really is only a few thousand at most, but for me the big question is what bill did we have to pay that meant that we couldn't pay over the ticket money?

see post #106 ??

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

I can therefore only surmise that in our case this happened but for some reason when the FL money was paid to us, we still didn't settle our away ticket sales bill.

Dare I suggest the reason is that as we no longer have a bank account called HMRC TAXES DUE we have opened a new one called SOD OTHER CLUBS ?

 

[E for B and Billy Best]

So we are under an embargo by choice, what a ground breaking way to run a football club. I hate the man with a passion and at this moment I actually want to swing him around by the gonads even more than I did 24 hours ago. If I've heard the same as Cricko and Smiffy regarding debts then I think RM facing a Tsunami is an understatement, it will probably be his armageddon and trying to get the support onside when this happens is at the root of this last weeks PR stunt.