Student Protests - November 2011

[steveo]

If I was 20 years younger I don't think I'd walk the streets protesting at uni fees I think I'd just walk off a tall building.

Its never too late. See the thread entitled To Do...

 

[MK Shrimper]

Its never too late. See the thread entitled To Do...

Bad Steveo, play nicely now.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Its never too late. See the thread entitled To Do...

That could be construed as assisted suicide - I hope you are posting that from Switzerland, or that I am not 20 years younger.

 

[steveo]

Bad Steveo, play nicely now.

Was merely an attempt at humour. Obviously failed.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Was merely an attempt at humour. Obviously failed.

Nah we know you're a pussycat underneath that gruff exterior :winking:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Was merely an attempt at humour. Obviously failed.

Welcome to my world.

 

[Firestorm]

I Think there is a misconception about student debts . The Student loans company gives loans for fees etc but the amount of the loans are limited, any shortfall is topped up by either loans from a bank (which whilst being preferential rates have to start to be paid back soon after graduation) bank of Mum and Dad or by part time jobs.

if you are able to hold a part time job down either the degree is not very demanding or you are not putting the effort in (My First year at Uni 30 odd years ago was 32 hours lectures or practical a week with the advice that each hour of lectures should be backed up with another hour of writing up etc)

Whilst its not a god given right to go to University , personally I feel the criteria should be academic, not whether they can afford to be sent, but the current situation is also unsustainable unless the money comes from somewhere.

There were nearly 500,000 places up for grabs this summer (20,000 more than the previous year 100k increase from 2006)
If you reduce that dramatically, there would be increased lob losses in the lecturing, ancilliary staff etc, as well as the economic impact for shops in the university towns and those landlords who rent out student accomodation.

Which ever way this one goes , someone is going to have to pay for it, its the balance which is important, because if a vast number of 18 year olds decide they are not going to Uni there will be different problems next summer

 

[steveo]

Welcome to my world.

Sorry I’ll try harder.
Just got back from my mates funeral. Unfortunately he died after getting hit on the head with a tennis ball.

It was a lovely service.

 

[Mad Cyril]

My company pays all interns.

 

[Grayson]

My company pays all interns.

That's good. Sadly most do not.

I did a 3 month internship this summer for a fairly new online networking company in Wimbledon. I wasn't paid a penny so in all it cost me around £600 to do it, and that was only because I asked to work the second half of it from home as it was ruining me financially.

My employer was open about the fact that he'd noticed that students and recent graduates need to do unpaid work for experience, and so he shamelessly exploits them by not paying any staff. Instead, he constantly rotates interns to produce content and recruit members to his site.

Some will say it's good business sense but I'd say he's an exploitative arsehole.

 

[steveo]

That's good. Sadly most do not.

I did a 3 month internship this summer for a fairly new online networking company in Wimbledon. I wasn't paid a penny so in all it cost me around £600 to do it, and that was only because I asked to work the second half of it from home as it was ruining me financially.

My employer was open about the fact that he'd noticed that students and recent graduates need to do unpaid work for experience, and so he shamelessly exploits them by not paying any staff. Instead, he constantly rotates interns to produce content and recruit members to his site.

Some will say it's good business sense but I'd say he's an exploitative arsehole.

That’s completely dishonourable IMHO.
I’m all for giving people a trial, buy pay the going rate and if they are any good give them a job at the end of it.

 

[Supernaut]

My company pays all interns.

Mine too. The guidelines state that if an intern is doing 'anything productive' then they must be classed as a worker and therefore must be paid at least minimum wage. What's the point in an internship if it isn't to be doing something productive?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

We have an intern from Germany at the moment and we are paying her.........**** all.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

To be honest i was of the thought that if you were given an inturnship then that was a paid position,daughter had a two month inturnship this summer and was paid well and has her interview this friday with a view to a job if she wants it after uni.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

We have an intern from Germany at the moment and we are paying her.........**** all.

Yea but you work in greggs the bakers

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Yea but you work in greggs the bakers

I'm not giving you that free pastie now Tone.

 

[Firestorm]

It sounds like internships are the same as the old Project Trident work experience but for people with qualifications as opposed to those wanting 2 weeks off school.

At the risk of coming over all Osybarnablue, it does sound like the nasty capitalist employer exploiting the down trodden proletariat....

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

It sounds like internships are the same as the old Project Trident work experience but for people with qualifications as opposed to those wanting 2 weeks off school.

At the risk of coming over all Osybarnablue, it does sound like the nasty capitalist employer exploiting the down trodden proletariat....

That's my favourite part of the whole scheme. It also ensures that we get someone with rich parents, who can afford to commute and not get paid. I'd hate for some dreadful working class oik to rock up.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

That's my favourite part of the whole scheme. It also ensures that we get someone with rich parents, who can afford to commute and not get paid. I'd hate for some dreadful working class oik to rock up.

And presumably out of boredom - he starts to argue with himself.

There are menial minimum wage jobs available but the non-judgmental, non-competitive school system has convinced them all that they're too good to stack a shelf. If you have no skills, no experience and a minimal IQ, you start at the bottom of the employment pyramid, you don't waste your parents' and the taxpayers' money on a worthless degree. It's the poor saps who make up the productive class who should be protesting.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

And presumably out of boredom - he starts to argue with himself.

It's the only way I can have a worthwhile discussion with someone who isn't a sanctimonious bell-end. Cheers.