Strikes take 2

[osymandus]

Nurses are also underpaid and overworked I dont see them going on strike, ditto police officers. What makes teachers so special? Most of the ones I know are as thick as two short planks, cant spell for toffee and jump from school to school looking for the best pay.

Their unions did consider it as did Doctors . At present they have chosen not to , they are not ruling it out.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Well actually I did . I suspect a few others also hoped that they could force the coalition outcome to make the political environment change .

The other thing about this strike ballet result is its a secret vote how did the results get leaked or published ???

Was the final result Yes 100 No 2-2?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I know 3, I lived with one. Lovely girl but left work after I did every day and was home before me. Did the odd parents evening and extra curricular activity but I got the impression she did those because she enjoyed it and felt a sense of duty to her pupils, and maybe in return for the 6 weeks holiday when she did nothing to do with teaching for the whole period but enjoyed hols etc. Not to mention the 2 weeks at xmas, 2 weeks at easter, etc etc.

I'm not saying teachers arent worthy of decent pay but be realistic, the countrys finances are ****ed big style. Public sector pay rocketed under labour and now we are all having to pay the price. People are living to 80/90, 30 years of pensions in some case. We simply cannot afford it, not with the huge rise in population expected in the next 20 years (dont get me started on immigration!). Striking is not the answer, you are letting the children of this country down.

I fully agree with you on what I've highlighted above.What I don't understand is why you(and others)feel that teachers and other public service workers should pay a disproportionate share of the price, for what is essentially a crisis created by the banks.
How about a wealth tax(or Robin Hood tax)to raise extra revenue,for example?That would hit the people who created the crisis hardest.
We know that there is sufficient in the pension pot to pay for public service workers' pensions.The Government intends to use the excess to reduce the deficit.Why should civil servants and local Government workers etc have to subsidise the general public's share of the debt?
(Btw,as a freelance, my pension arrangements are entirely different from those of UK teachers.So I have no personal axe to grind here).

 

[Mad Cyril]

I fully agree with you on what I've highlighted above.What I don't understand is why you(and others)feel that teachers and other public service workers should pay a disproportionate share of the price, for what is essentially a crisis created by the banks.

Are they?

I'd say the 1m+ NEETs are paying the biggest price of all.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Are they?

I'd say the 1m+ NEETs are paying the biggest price of all.

I wouldn't disagree with you and in any case I don't think that contradicts what I said.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I fully agree with you on what I've highlighted above.What I don't understand is why you(and others)feel that teachers and other public service workers should pay a disproportionate share of the price, for what is essentially a crisis created by the banks.
How about a wealth tax(or Robin Hood tax)to raise extra revenue,for example?That would hit the people who created the crisis hardest.
We know that there is sufficient in the pension pot to pay for public service workers' pensions.The Government intends to use the excess to reduce the deficit.Why should civil servants and local Government workers etc have to subsidise the general public's share of the debt?
(Btw,as a freelance, my pension arrangements are entirely different from those of UK teachers.So I have no personal axe to grind here).

More politics of jealousy. There is nothing in the pension pot because it was raped and pillaged by the previous Labour government. The financial crisis was created by 'well-meaning' social engineering which decided that home ownership was a 'right' - more of the 'something for nothing' horse**** that has taken the world to the brink of complete societal collapse. Your vapid nonsense about blaming 'rich bankers' is facile and extremely naive, and sounds like some kind of call to arms of which Goebbels would have been rightly proud. You probably think the world is run by some sort of Zionist cabal of Lizard men. See you at the Icke lectures next year Barnaby.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

More politics of jealousy. There is nothing in the pension pot because it was raped and pillaged by the previous Labour government. The financial crisis was created by 'well-meaning' social engineering which decided that home ownership was a 'right' - more of the 'something for nothing' horse**** that has taken the world to the brink of complete societal collapse. Your vapid nonsense about blaming 'rich bankers' is facile and extremely naive, and sounds like some kind of call to arms of which Goebbels would have been rightly proud. You probably think the world is run by some sort of Zionist cabal of Lizard men. See you at the Icke lectures next year Barnaby.

It was Aneurin Bevan's phrase that "Socialism is the language of ... the politics of science and the future, never the politics of envy or resentment".
Try coming up with a few facts to back up your delusional opinions or even better try to construct an argument which might help to justify them.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

It was Aneurin Bevan's phrase that "Socialism is the language of ... the politics of science and the future, never the politics of envy or resentment".
Try coming up with a few facts to back up your delusional opinions or even better try to construct an argument which might help to justify them.

As opposed to quoting Nye Bevan? Is it not a fact that the financial crisis was caused by the toxic mortgages granted by Fannie and Freddie? Or does that not make such a convenient talking point as blaming 'rich bankers'?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

As opposed to quoting Nye Bevan? Is it not a fact that the financial crisis was caused by the toxic mortgages granted by Fannie and Freddie? Or does that not make such a convenient talking point as blaming 'rich bankers'?

[video=youtube_share;UC31Oudc5Bg]http://youtu.be/UC31Oudc5Bg[/video]

I'm a great fan of this particular account of the reasons for the crisis.:winking:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

More politics of jealousy. There is nothing in the pension pot because it was raped and pillaged by the previous Labour government. The financial crisis was created by 'well-meaning' social engineering which decided that home ownership was a 'right' - more of the 'something for nothing' horse**** that has taken the world to the brink of complete societal collapse. Your vapid nonsense about blaming 'rich bankers' is facile and extremely naive, and sounds like some kind of call to arms of which Goebbels would have been rightly proud. You probably think the world is run by some sort of Zionist cabal of Lizard men. See you at the Icke lectures next year Barnaby.

Which is something Mrs Thatcher endorsed through the 'right to buy' scheme selling off council house stock.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Which is something Mrs Thatcher endorsed through the 'right to buy' scheme selling off council house stock.

I don't believe she advocated the grant of mortgages to those who couldn't possibly afford them. The 'right to buy' scheme was aimed at getting people away from suckling at the government teat.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I don't believe she advocated the grant of mortgages to those who couldn't possibly afford them. The 'right to buy' scheme was aimed at getting people away from suckling at the government teat.

'We'd like you to become self reliant, here's a virtually free house' - works for me. Didn't work quite so well for Dame Porter.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Well actually I did . I suspect a few others also hoped that they could force the coalition outcome to make the political environment change .

You mean force the views of a minority party onto the majority? How democratic of you Osy.

 

[Perth Bambi]

Lots of nurses don't work particularly hard and in a large majority of cases their jobs are not particularly hard.

 

[Firestorm]

As opposed to quoting Nye Bevan? Is it not a fact that the financial crisis was caused by the toxic mortgages granted by Fannie and Freddie? Or does that not make such a convenient talking point as blaming 'rich bankers'?

Wasn't it more about Fannie and Freddie selling on their book of mortgages as investments in the futures market thus making a quick buck, then going back and creating another portfolio and then doing the same again,

IIRC the collapse came when the value of the portfolio dropped thus reducing the asset levels of the companies below the operating standard, this then caused a run on the various banks which started a sort asset withdrawal .

If the original lenders had not decided that there was a quick short term profit in their mortgage book, they may have been less inclined to heavily target the highly volitile "toxic" market in the first place.

But true , the ultimate trigger was people not paying back what they said they could

 

[Firestorm]

I don't believe she advocated the grant of mortgages to those who couldn't possibly afford them. The 'right to buy' scheme was aimed at getting people away from suckling at the government teat.

The right to buy , as well as cheap shares for the masses on denationalisation , was a scheme aimed to give the predominantly Labour voting class a quick profit (by then selling the house or shares on for its real (un subsidised)price)in an effort to get them to change their allegiance, which in fairness, worked. once their vote had been bought that was that and they were largely discarded, leaving councils with no housing stock, and not allowed to use the sale proceeds to rebuild

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

The right to buy , as well as cheap shares for the masses on denationalisation , was a scheme aimed to give the predominantly Labour voting class a quick profit (by then selling the house or shares on for its real (un subsidised)price)in an effort to get them to change their allegiance, which in fairness, worked. once their vote had been bought that was that and they were largely discarded, leaving councils with no housing stock, and not allowed to use the sale proceeds to rebuild

So, they're given a house, they sell the house, they wonder why they have nowhere to live?

and these people are allowed to vote???

 

[Firestorm]

So, they're given a house, they sell the house, they wonder why they have nowhere to live?

and these people are allowed to vote???

Not quite,

They were given a house, lived in it for years whilst their family grew up bought it at a ridiculously low price , then sold it and bought a smaller house for cash thus making money.

It increased the number of buyers for smaller properties , thus increasing the price, forcing youngsters to take out increasingly higher mortgages.

It also disproportionatly reduced the number of Council owned "larger properties" forcing councils housing departments to spend more money housing families in need.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Lots of nurses don't work particularly hard and in a large majority of cases their jobs are not particularly hard.

A lot of them are fat as well.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

The right to buy , as well as cheap shares for the masses on denationalisation , was a scheme aimed to give the predominantly Labour voting class a quick profit (by then selling the house or shares on for its real (un subsidised)price)in an effort to get them to change their allegiance, which in fairness, worked. once their vote had been bought that was that and they were largely discarded, leaving councils with no housing stock, and not allowed to use the sale proceeds to rebuild

I refer this method of bribing voters to that favoured by Labour under Blair/Brown - giving them citizenship.