Steve Tilson

[Ailsa Road Shrimper]

Its not about short memories. ST gave us some of the best years seen at Roots Hall, but so did David Webb, for a short time Barry Fry and what PS is doing now is fantastic when you look at the circumstances. But unfortunately the footballing world will probably look at the last few years of ST at Southend and Lincoln and judge him on this not the success prior. As for his personaility it doesnt bother me, PS hasnt got a great personality, however, ST used to drive me mad with the after match interviews and i rarely ever agreed with him, the boys did well, battled hard, unlucky etc. At least PS says it as it is.

I'm not sure which bad last last few years at Southend under ST you're referring to? in 2008 we finished 6th in League 1, in 2009 we were 8th in League 1 and we were a decent side up until the last 6 months of Tilly's tenure when Ron Martin totally screwed up by not paying players and decimating the squad with the constant embargoes.

The job PS is currently doing is hardly fantastic either. After nearly two and a half years in charge we are a mediocre mid-table league two side, nowhere near as good as the alleged bad years under Tilly!

 

[EastStandBlue]

Actually I hadn't considered that it was a symptom of his disease until you just said it, so no I wasn't mocking his condition.

The fact does remains that some of his team talks must get a little "lost in translation" with the players.

Why must this be a fact? Because his speech is a little slurred during interviews with a microphone shoved in his face, it means he can't get his point across to players on a one-to-one basis? I think the only ex-player to bemoan Sturrock's communication upon leaving was Scott Spencer, and that was only because he was so bone idle Luggy had to jot down his constructive criticism on a bit of paper for the delicate flower.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

T , but a certain Mr PS is working under much harder conditions now.../QUOTE]

doh - Sturrocks has

1/ loads of players

2/ they are getting paid

 

[A Century United]

I'm not sure which bad last last few years at Southend under ST you're referring to? in 2008 we finished 6th in League 1, in 2009 we were 8th in League 1 and we were a decent side up until the last 6 months of Tilly's tenure when Ron Martin totally screwed up by not paying players and decimating the squad with the constant embargoes.

The job PS is currently doing is hardly fantastic either. After nearly two and a half years in charge we are a mediocre mid-table league two side, nowhere near as good as the alleged bad years under Tilly!

When you go :net: you need much more believable bait than that.

 

[TTS]

Hasn't this already been done ? Like loads for times !

Brief Overview

Some people stIll love Tilson and hate Sturrock
Some people loved Tilson but are happy with Sturrock
Some people love living in the past, and can't move on
Tilson was a "legend"
We once beat Man Utd
We once went to Cardiff 3 times !

Erm have I missed anything ?

 

[dan_mays]

3 things for me that Tilly did wrong but other than that gave us better times at Roots Hall than anyone he is up there with the best.

1) Releasing Kightly
2) Not giving Hooper a fair crack
3) Not offering Flavs the 2year deal he wanted and deserved

Tilly was a great servant to our club as a player, coach and manager and the stick he gets on here is somewhat disrespectful to say the least.

I hope he a success at Canvey and wish him all the best


STURROCK OUT

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

This is an emotive subject, and there is no right or wrong answer - we are all entitled to our opinions, and last Sunday should be a reminder of why. Lest we forget.

Tilson made mistakes during his time here - which was a long time in the manager's chair, comparing to our recent history and other clubs. So he was always going to make one or two, however his biggest mistake was hanging on. He should have gone after we were beat in the League 1 play-off semi-finals - in my opinion, he had taken us as far as he could, and the team should have been broken up/had a new voice telling them what to do. Happens everywhere, with the exception it seems of Man United, but then they change their coaching team fairly regularly.

However, he is one of the most successful managers we have ever had - that is a fact, and should be welcomed back to Roots Hall whenever he wishes.

Time to move on now, and support the current manager. Let's hope the season pans out the way we all want it - promotion.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Hasn't this already been done ? Like loads for times !

Brief Overview

Some people stIll love Tilson and hate Sturrock
Some people loved Tilson but are happy with Sturrock
Some people love living in the past, and can't move on
Tilson was a "legend"
We once beat Man Utd
We once went to Cardiff 3 times !

Erm have I missed anything ?

Chelsea :winking:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

When you go :net: you need much more believable bait than that.

He's not fishing.
I don't particularly agree with him as I felt we'd taken backwards steps for the last three or four seasons, but his belief is genuine.

3 things for me that Tilly did wrong but other than that gave us better times at Roots Hall than anyone he is up there with the best.

1) Releasing Kightly
2) Not giving Hooper a fair crack
3) Not offering Flavs the 2year deal he wanted and deserved

Tilly was a great servant to our club as a player, coach and manager and the stick he gets on here is somewhat disrespectful to say the least.

I hope he a success at Canvey and wish him all the best


STURROCK OUT

Ridiculous list. Kightly was nowhere near the first team at the time he was released. He was released because it was doubted he was physically up to it. His subsequent injury record bears this out. With hindsight, we could have kept him on but he wouldn't have played much for the next two seasons anyway. He needed game time at a lower level than we were.

Hooper didn't work out in our team and in our system, but he made a tidy profit on him and got a nice sell on. That has helped keep the club going.

Mildenhall was and remains a far superior keeper than Bournemouth's current third choice keeper.

Far bigger mistakes were the failure to adequately address centre-back and central midfield in our championship season. Peter Clarke was a horrific waste of money - how much do we need that £400,000 transfer fee now? He was completely the wrong player to partner Barrett. We needed someone aerially dominant to replace Spinner and Sodje, like a Leon Cort (or Dorian Dervite). In fact, we probably should have signed two of those and moved Barrett to left-back.

Alan McCormack was signed too late. We desperately needed a midfield ball winner. Tilly made the mistake of trying to play too much football when the Championship wasn't about passing the ball better, but being physically bigger and quicker than League One.

Instead of addressing central-midfield we overloaded on forwards buying Paynter, Harrold and Foran (in addition to Ricketts) and later Revell. We spent close to a million pounds in transfer fees on those four and they scored 13 goals between them (Harrold 6, Paynter 1, Foran 2 and Revell 4) and we got next to nothing back in sell-ons.

Had we instead invested in central midfield and signed Nicky Bailey a season earlier (and McCormack to understudy him), we'd have had a far better chance of staying up - although we'd have probably been screwed the following season without Sodje and Prior.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Pointless thread done to death already

 

[Fairport]

The point is that he clearly is / was not ever rated outside of Roots Hall. People that say he was up for this job and up for that job are clearly wishful thinking. There was never ever any proof that Norwich were after him. So many managers of a similar age have gone on to manage bigger and better clubs yet ST has been left managing Canvey. Unfortunately after all the glory years there were also some very poor seasons with both us and Lincoln. Yes he worked under difficult conditions here, but a certain Mr PS is working under much harder conditions now...he is the true miracle worker. I have to admit that i really laughed at his interview on Saturday, it was like listening to virtually every interview after our games, same old rubbish about unlucky, boys did well, battled hard etc. At least now under PS he sees it how many of us do and lets you know when he feels we have under performed etc

I certainly dont agree that Sturrock is working under worse conditions than Tilly! Sturrock has signed over 50 players and as far as we know they are being paid! Tilly had to try and motivate a team with no wages being paid, he had tiny squads and dont forget in his last season had to try and get points on the board against the likes of Norwich, Southampton etc! Despite the adulation of Paul Sturrock from many people we are at present half way down the table in the lowest division. This Tilly v Sturrock debate goes on and on!

 

[Special Blue]

The main difference between Luggy and Tilly is one has contacts through years in the business and one hasn't,
whether these contacts can achieve is another matter as the best of his contacts are not affordable.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

The main difference between Luggy and Tilly is one has contacts through years in the business and one hasn't,
whether these contacts can achieve is another matter as the best of his contacts are not affordable.

not sure what you are on but it is true Sturock has long list of family members and unemployed league 2 scotsmen in his address book where as Tilsons loanees seem to be doing well everywhere from pemiership down ......

the truth is that Tilsons loyalty to SUFC cost him a lot of money and his reputation - and what he gets back from some so called Southend fans is a load of putrid half arsed abuse -

Sturrock has the club mid table league 2, with the biggest gates, the biggest squad, 2 fancy dan championship forwards, the biggest playing budget and a whole load of dull journeymen players -

gates are about half what they were with Tilson so it would seem the verdict is clear ......

By the way it about time someone explained to me how RM saved teh club and how sturrock is doing a great job ....

HAHAHAHA HAHAHA

Bitter ? yep I am bitter - all those great times laid to waste

 

[southendkid]

not sure what you are on but it is true Sturock has long list of family members and unemployed league 2 scotsmen in his address book where as Tilsons loanees seem to be doing well everywhere from pemiership down ......

the truth is that Tilsons loyalty to SUFC cost him a lot of money and his reputation - and what he gets back from some so called Southend fans is a load of putrid half arsed abuse -

Sturrock has the club mid table league 2, with the biggest gates, the biggest squad, 2 fancy dan championship forwards, the biggest playing budget and a whole load of dull journeymen players -

gates are about half what they were with Tilson so it would seem the verdict is clear ......

By the way it about time someone explained to me how RM saved teh club and how sturrock is doing a great job ....

HAHAHAHA HAHAHA

Bitter ? yep I am bitter - all those great times laid to waste

You go on about people being against Tilson, but all I ever see you do on here is try and make everyone turn against Sturrock, for no real reason other than the fact he replaced Tilson.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

You go on about people being against Tilson, but all I ever see you do on here is try and make everyone turn against Sturrock, for no real reason other than the fact he replaced Tilson.

nothing against sturruck - in fact i quite admire him on a personal level - just his vision of old lags dragging the club out of this division doesn't do it for me -

bring back Blair

 

[NZamba Legend]

A true Southend fan has just got to revere the likes of Tilson, Maher, Gower and Eastwood (and Barrett and Prior and maybe even Flavs). These guys made it happen and nothing will ever change that.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

nothing against sturruck - in fact i quite admire him on a personal level - just his vision of old lags dragging the club out of this division doesn't do it for me -

bring back Blair

You mean like Eastwood?

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

You mean like Eastwood?

He was worth £4 million you know :winking:

 

[Kris]

nothing against sturruck - in fact i quite admire him on a personal level - just his vision of old lags dragging the club out of this division doesn't do it for me -

bring back Blair

I've never really understood the 'old lags' association with Luggy. Yes he turned to the likes of Coughlan, Easton and his son when he first arrived but considering the lack of time he had to build a squad it was a no-brainer. If you had three weeks to start a new business you'd bring on board friends and people you trusted to help get it up and running efficiently. Besides, bringing in the likes of Hall, Mohsni, Leonard, Clohessy, Prosser, etc, plus converting a young defender in Ferdinand into an attacking midfielder and bagging £200k for him doesn't exactly smack of a manager who is anti-youth; not to mention our star player this season so far has been a youngster who essentially arrived on work experience.

Obviously I'll never forget the truly great times we had with Tilly - in fact at the time I told myself to cherish them while they lasted because periods like that for a club of our relatively modest size never last that long.

 

[mrsblue]

Steve was indeed the messiah,They were fantastic times and i shall never forget.