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Blimey, I think everyone has been watching about 6 different matches!

Before the ratings, my two cents on yesterdays game - which was similar to the few people around me as well as we were discussing it.

The first half was marginally better than the one last time out which was so awful I've wiped it from the memory and can't remember who the opponents were. Northampton were a big, physical side who I felt tried to bully us all over the pitch. Our defence was shocking, no-one looked comfortable, Bolger visibly panics when a forward closes him down, Thompson had a dreadful first 15 minutes and there was little to no communication between the centre backs. The fact that we didn't concede was because of the fact that a) the fantastic work rate by Weston, Timlin, Payne and Worrall in cutting the supply to Richards at source and b) Northampton didn't look like they even had a plan A, let alone a plan B. Their one chance came near the end of the first half when we were doing our level best to gift them the ball. The guy should have done a lot better than put a free shot from 8 yards over the South stand.

Having said that, there were glimpses - as there always are - of what happens when we do click. O'Toole's shot would have been a fairytale had it gone in, Timlin's free kick which caused havoc (I've seen it on the box and on another day we would have a penalty as O'Toole was shoved out of the way quite blatantly), the great ball across the box from Worrall and Corr's effort that just went over. No-one would have been surprised if we had been 2-0 up at the break. I know we all say the opposition is rubbish but you have to give credit to us for making them either look or play rubbish. This is something not many people actually get on here - it's not always what you do, it's also about what you stop the others doing. So much goes on that is unnoticed and is all part of winning a game at this, or indeed any level above amateur Sunday league stuff where there are practically no tactics and it's all about who does what when they have the ball.

In the second half we did step it up a bit and had a good start, with a few half chances, but were dead lucky when their guy had a free header from a corner that he should have scored with. I was waiting for the net to bulge and breathed a sign of relief when it didn't. Other than that, both sides nullified each other until the appalling ball in from Weston to nobody that bounced off the keepers knee to Corr. From my view alongside in the East blacks, he was just about to stroke the ball into the empty net when the keeper brought him down, a definite red card.

That was that and we nearly scored again straight from the kick off. After that we pressed Northampton everywhere and for once got the second goal to give us breathing space.

By and large, the defence had a much better second half and it's another 3 points. It wasn't a game I'll remember for long but, unlike mrsblue, I don't go for the entertainment. I go because at the age of 8, I started supporting my local football team and want to see them do well. Over the last 45 years I have seen them play much better than this and also much worse than this. I SUPPORT my team and have only not gone to matches due to other commitments, never because I can't be bothered. There have been plenty of times when I have felt like not going, but when matchday comes I'm there again because this may be the week where everything gels and we spank some team out of sight to send everyone home super happy. If we don't, well, we are a small club and it's League 2. If you want entertainment, can I suggest staying at home and taking your pick of the matches on the box? That way, if it's no good, you can either switch over or turn off.

Ratings -

Bentley - 7 - Nervy start, never tested, can't remember him making a save.

Thompson - 6 - Better second half but awful in the first - he is a long, long way from being a right back.
White - 8 - Candidate for MOM, great shot in second half and terrific work rate. Doing a very decent job at left back.
Bolger - 6 - Got better but awful start and panics when confronted by a striker. It always worries me when Bentley rolls him the ball. He is great in the air though.
Prosser - 7 - Again, not a great first half but didn't make any howlers.

Worrall - 7 - Not as attacking as normal but I put that down to his work rate in stopping Northampton in supplying the strikers. It seemed as though that was the order in the first half. Good finish too.
O'Toole - 6 - I don't think I've seen a more anonymous debut. For a big lump I was surprised at how easily he seemed to be knocked off the ball and how little he actually won in the air. Got his foot in a few times to break things up but also got caught in possession too. Nearly started off with a wonder goal and the guy does have ability... will the crowd allow him to show this or will we get on his back if we have another 2 or 3 average performances? I think I know the answer to that one but I hope I'm wrong.
Timlin - 8.5 - MOM - Was everywhere and barely put a foot wrong. Good to see him back to his best.
Weston - 6 - Great work rate but kept falling over the ball in the first half and the cross for the second was about the only good ball he put in all afternoon.

Payne - 6 - He was completely smothered by their big guys and lacks that explosive pace. he worked really hard though but I'd liked to have seen him play a little further forward alongside Corr.
Corr - 8 - This bloke runs through walls for us. No-one can ever question his desire or commitment. He won some terrific headers as well against a big lumpy defence and if Payne had been a little higher up the pitch then he may have had some better fortune.

Subs -

Atkinson - 6 - Did ok when he came on
Deegan - 6 - Ditto

The ref - 5 - Played advantage well on a few occasions but seemed very fussy and loved blowing his whistle 5 times in quick succession. I think he must also be one of the shortest refs I've ever seen (not that that's his fault, obviously)!

Finally, a word for Phil Brown. The guy has listened. He is trying to put bums on seats by playing an attacking line up and style. Let's him him just a little bit of credit, eh? We have a tough December and the team will need all the support they can get. Hopefully we won't have another disastrous month like October.



Good post!

Yesterday was again IMO mind numbing nonsense served up by professional players and managers,virtually every game I have seen has been the same old rubbish under Phil..Sorry if my opinion upsets anyone.

Tilson served up delicious football then Luggy served up goal fests and to a degree was also entertaining,Phil has bored me silly.

The other aspect is the way the club has been mismanaged which again I think is bizarre at best or sinister at worse.

I cannot justify giving my money to the club anymore .
 
Good post!

Yesterday was again IMO mind numbing nonsense served up by professional players and managers,virtually every game I have seen has been the same old rubbish under Phil..Sorry if my opinion upsets anyone.

Tilson served up delicious football then Luggy served up goal fests and to a degree was also entertaining,Phil has bored me silly.

The other aspect is the way the club has been mismanaged which again I think is bizarre at best or sinister at worse.

I cannot justify giving my money to the club anymore .

Your choice, obviously. For me, under Tilly's reign (and especially when we were won the L1 title) we played in spurts but the two key differences were that we a)scored when we were on top and b) had Freddy. There was a player who single handedly could get people off their seat. Players like him at this level are few and far between.

As for Sturrock, I was far more bored at games we were winning then than I am now. I remember beating Port Vale 3-0 at the Hall and they had their centre half sent off after about an hour. We were already 3-0 up at that point and the last 30 minutes was the most boring dross I've ever seen. We should have been pressing forward to make it 4, 5 ,6 whatever and it was just deadly, deadly dull. Towards the end of his reign our home form was just dreadful, but I will always appreciate what he achieved with no budget and no players when he joined.

But, as I say, your choice. I think PB will get us out of this league and into L1.
 
It's all about opinions , and let's face it , MOM doesn't really mean anything so pointless spending so much time going over it IMO.
Not a great display by us yesterday but clearly a team all pulling together and working hard , which is the minimum you need in this League.
I really thought Northampton were going to be a threat , but in truth they were awful.

I thought Bolger played well , but ( without any logic to my comment ) still looks like there is a mistake ready to happen when he's on the ball.
Thompson is a decent player IMO but he us never a full back.

Every time I watch Payne I wang him to be the real star , but I think he has more mediocre games than good ones.
That is not a dig as he is still learning and in his first full season.
I'm sure we have a very good prospect in there , but for now , he is not the Messiah just yet I'm afraid.

Corr does a lot if work for the team , but he never makes that strikers run to the 6 yard box when the wide players are about to play the ball in ( Worrall put in a great ball in the first half ).

O'Toole was quiet , but let's see.

I will finish in the man that had dominated thus thread.
I thought Weston was awful.

Three points against a team that didn't want to play , so not much more we could do.
Tougher days to come , but I think we can and will stand up to those tests.



Try telling Jam_Man that.
 
Your choice, obviously. For me, under Tilly's reign (and especially when we were won the L1 title) we played in spurts but the two key differences were that we a)scored when we were on top and b) had Freddy. There was a player who single handedly could get people off their seat. Players like him at this level are few and far between.

As for Sturrock, I was far more bored at games we were winning then than I am now. I remember beating Port Vale 3-0 at the Hall and they had their centre half sent off after about an hour. We were already 3-0 up at that point and the last 30 minutes was the most boring dross I've ever seen. We should have been pressing forward to make it 4, 5 ,6 whatever and it was just deadly, deadly dull. Towards the end of his reign our home form was just dreadful, but I will always appreciate what he achieved with no budget and no players when he joined.

But, as I say, your choice. I think PB will get us out of this league and into L1.

I don't, we had a few moments yesterday but up until the penalty/sending-off we didn't look like scoring in a month of Sundays the football is extremely dull and workmanlike. I guess the next 2 games will tell us a lot about were we are truly at.
 
I don't, we had a few moments yesterday but up until the penalty/sending-off we didn't look like scoring in a month of Sundays the football is extremely dull and workmanlike. I guess the next 2 games will tell us a lot about were we are truly at.


Totally agree with this.

I think a good team will take us apart and the way we are set up will have zero chance .
 
Good post!

Yesterday was again IMO mind numbing nonsense served up by professional players and managers,virtually every game I have seen has been the same old rubbish under Phil..Sorry if my opinion upsets anyone.

Tilson served up delicious football then Luggy served up goal fests and to a degree was also entertaining,Phil has bored me silly.

The other aspect is the way the club has been mismanaged which again I think is bizarre at best or sinister at worse.

I cannot justify giving my money to the club anymore .


Bye then, you could delete your shrimperzone account at the same time? Win 4 on the bounce in the league and people still moan at the manager.
 
Good post!

Yesterday was again IMO mind numbing nonsense served up by professional players and managers,virtually every game I have seen has been the same old rubbish under Phil..Sorry if my opinion upsets anyone.

Tilson served up delicious football then Luggy served up goal fests and to a degree was also entertaining,Phil has bored me silly.

The other aspect is the way the club has been mismanaged which again I think is bizarre at best or sinister at worse.

I cannot justify giving my money to the club anymore .

With all due respect, did you start going to Southend during the great times of the Tilson era?

I only ask as this season so far ranks as a decent one in my 20 years. Seeing the few years before Tilson keeps perspective on how 'rubbish' it is being 5th and winning of matches consistently. If you didn't enjoy the last 20 minutes of a comfortable win yesterday I cannot see how you ever enjoy being a Southend fan.
 
Lol have a look at your post I think it sums up your negativity! You are right I don't know you or how long you have been a fan for etc. I can only base my views on what you and other fans post on this forum. We are four points off top spot and have today won. Perhaps you should think before you post unnecessarily negative views on our players and manager. Your views would carry more substance if we had lost 6-0 and were in the relegation zone. Sorry for questioning your support for SUFC just try to be more positive rather than questioning decisions made on MOM etc.

four points off top spot currently means nothing in reality. I'm frankly getting a little tired of sanctimonious posters who argue that just because you win a few games anybody who posts anything negative is doing the club some kind of disservice. Yesterday was our fourth win on the trot, just like the four wins on the trot we had before October. Yesterday was however largely dire. I have no problem with playing badly and nicking points but you don't win titles or promotion that way. the posters on here who are apparently letting their club down perhaps just are more aware of the cracks. a little healthy criticism is healthy if you to want to improve and football largely is a results business. Anything less than promotion this season with this group of players is failure in my eyes..
 
With all due respect, did you start going to Southend during the great times of the Tilson era?

I only ask as this season so far ranks as a decent one in my 20 years. Seeing the few years before Tilson keeps perspective on how 'rubbish' it is being 5th and winning of matches consistently. If you didn't enjoy the last 20 minutes of a comfortable win yesterday I cannot see how you ever enjoy being a Southend fan.


Yes.

The Tilson era obviously has spoilt me as I thought we were superb playing in the right way and we looked a bloody good team,Yesterday was not for me as I have persevered with it but frankly cannot watch this sub standard style of crap anymore.
 
four points off top spot currently means nothing in reality. I'm frankly getting a little tired of sanctimonious posters who argue that just because you win a few games anybody who posts anything negative is doing the club some kind of disservice. Yesterday was our fourth win on the trot, just like the four wins on the trot we had before October. Yesterday was however largely dire. I have no problem with playing badly and nicking points but you don't win titles or promotion that way. the posters on here who are apparently letting their club down perhaps just are more aware of the cracks. a little healthy criticism is healthy if you to want to improve and football largely is a results business. Anything less than promotion this season with this group of players is failure in my eyes..


Agree with your every word.
 
Is it just me but I cannot believe we continue to play two players out of their natural positions at the back when there are natural replacements on the bench. Thompson is largely a liability wherever he plays but definitely doesn't convince me at full back. Better teams than the four we played in November will murder him. Just because we win a few games against poor opposition is no reason not to change things at the back. This whole don't change a winning side when you have a big talented squad is somewhat archaic to me in the modern game.
 
Yes.

The Tilson era obviously has spoilt me as I thought we were superb playing in the right way and we looked a bloody good team,Yesterday was not for me as I have persevered with it but frankly cannot watch this sub standard style of crap anymore.

I dread to think how you would have coped during the relegation years before Tilson.
But yes, the football served up yesterday was not great, until we had more room with 11 versus 10. And of course the whole world can see we still need a goal scorer, that is one crack that can't be glossed over. Luckily we're good at grinding out wins. I still can't believe we are only 4 points behind Wycombe.
 
Is it just me but I cannot believe we continue to play two players out of their natural positions at the back when there are natural replacements on the bench. Thompson is largely a liability wherever he plays but definitely doesn't convince me at full back. Better teams than the four we played in November will murder him. Just because we win a few games against poor opposition is no reason not to change things at the back. This whole don't change a winning side when you have a big talented squad is somewhat archaic to me in the modern game.

I actually agree with this. Good post.
 
Different opinions are one thing but I am afraid Mrs Blue is more negative and crass than someone making a valid point.
Please do not post if you are that unhappy and let the rest of us discuss our differences like adults whilst you find something more suitable to do with your time. I would say this to the poster of such negative threads no matter what gender they are.
We are a Division 2 club with limited resources (albeit higher than many in our division) and have no God given right to promotion. Attractive football is nice but we are not a Premier league team with millions to spend so cut our cloth to suit.
Tilly had better players at his disposal and Luggy played a style of footy I didn't enjoy but I still watched all the games.
Phil Brown has been too negative earlier this season and yes it was frustrating but is trying to change it.
The dark days in years gone by when we watched us struggle in the old fourth division were dreadful to watch and yet we hardy fans still turned up to watch as they were our team.
The thing to remember is we want to be entertained by our team but our support goes deeper than that. We are Southend to the core and will support through good times and bad (like being married again !) Anyone who finds something better to do when things are not going our way, then leave the rest of us to support them through those times.
The incredible thing is times are not bad and yet some people are never happy.
 
I dread to think how you would have coped during the relegation years before Tilson.
But yes, the football served up yesterday was not great, until we had more room with 11 versus 10. And of course the whole world can see we still need a goal scorer, that is one crack that can't be glossed over. Luckily we're good at grinding out wins. I still can't believe we are only 4 points behind Wycombe.


Either this division is so dire hence why we are riding high or we have yet to play decent teams.Whatever way we see it the underlying standard is horrendous ,No doubt managers play a huge part but sadly I am out.
 
Different opinions are one thing but I am afraid Mrs Blue is more negative and crass than someone making a valid point.
Please do not post if you are that unhappy and let the rest of us discuss our differences like adults whilst you find something more suitable to do with your time. I would say this to the poster of such negative threads no matter what gender they are.
We are a Division 2 club with limited resources (albeit higher than many in our division) and have no God given right to promotion. Attractive football is nice but we are not a Premier league team with millions to spend so cut our cloth to suit.
Tilly had better players at his disposal and Luggy played a style of footy I didn't enjoy but I still watched all the games.
Phil Brown has been too negative earlier this season and yes it was frustrating but is trying to change it.
The dark days in years gone by when we watched us struggle in the old fourth division were dreadful to watch and yet we hardy fans still turned up to watch as they were our team.
The thing to remember is we want to be entertained by our team but our support goes deeper than that. We are Southend to the core and will support through good times and bad (like being married again !) Anyone who finds something better to do when things are not going our way, then leave the rest of us to support them through those times.
The incredible thing is times are not bad and yet some people are never happy.


The truth is this forum possibly has 10% of the fan base actually viewing this site and I guess around 2 or 3% actually posting.

The general abuse I hear at the Hall toward Phil and the players and the style is way over the top for all the world to hear and whilst I agree itHe some of their comments I personally would never say such stuff in public hence why I say my piece on here.

I'm sorry it offends you.
 
Is it just me but I cannot believe we continue to play two players out of their natural positions at the back when there are natural replacements on the bench. Thompson is largely a liability wherever he plays but definitely doesn't convince me at full back. Better teams than the four we played in November will murder him. Just because we win a few games against poor opposition is no reason not to change things at the back. This whole don't change a winning side when you have a big talented squad is somewhat archaic to me in the modern game.

Exactly what I said yesterday to my mates at the game. I'm not really a Thompson fan, he tries hard and he's OK as cover but he shouldn't be starting week in week out (let alone out of position). Coker's absence is a problem given JBW's loss of form, however Prosser played a lot of games under Sturrock at LB and can do a solid job in that position. Sticking him in there would free White to return to RB while I'd put Sokolik in the middle with Bolger. If PB is trying to tempt Sokolik to make a permanent return to the Hall (which he should be as he showed he was a cut above L2 last season) he's going the wrong way about it by not giving him game time.

As it stands at the moment we're playing TWO defenders out of position instead of one - doesn't make much sense to me. :stunned:
 
The truth is this forum possibly has 10% of the fan base actually viewing this site and I guess around 2 or 3% actually posting.

The general abuse I hear at the Hall toward Phil and the players and the style is way over the top for all the world to hear and whilst I agree itHe some of their comments I personally would never say such stuff in public hence why I say my piece on here.

I'm sorry it offends you.

Your posts are not offensive to me , I just find some of your posts too negative for my own personal taste.
I am all for discussions and welcome it .

What I do applaud you for and agree with you on is the following segment from your post

"I personally would never say such stuff in public hence why I say my piece on here."

Maybe if others did the same the players would feel genuine support on the pitch.
There are certain so called fans in the south upper and in the east stand that are far too verbal with their criticism and are pretty much vile with their comments. I would much rather they vented their anger on here.

Didn't think I would be agreeing with you on anything but hey I am open to different ways of looking at things.
 

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