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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 1-3 Gateshead

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It's quite simple. This current team isn't good enough to finish top 7 in an average league.

If the board are serious about promotion then the recruitment of lower league players and over the hill cast offs won't cut it.

We need the better players of other teams in this league ala FGR for Cardwell etc.

We will get lucky with a few like GSM but several will take seasons to get better or won't make the grade.

The longer we stay in the national league the harder it is to break even and crowds will dwindle.
You really can't handle one or two more seasons down here? I think we could still make play offs (yes we need to improve a LOT) but much more likely that next season will be the one to really go for promotion. There aren't any 'better players of other teams' left are there? I'd much rather build for the future personally than chuck everything including the kitchen sink on getting out of the NL.
 
It's quite simple. This current team isn't good enough to finish top 7 in an average league.

If the board are serious about promotion then the recruitment of lower league players and over the hill cast offs won't cut it.

We need the better players of other teams in this league ala FGR for Cardwell etc.

We will get lucky with a few like GSM but several will take seasons to get better or won't make the grade.

The longer we stay in the national league the harder it is to break even and crowds will dwindle.
The real issue here my fellow suffering Shrimper is that the COSU message is very clear, priority is sustainability of the Club, to be achieved hopefully by a targeted 5 year period. They do not consider progress up the football pyramid in that time scale a priority or a requisite requirement to achieving this. Yes the fanbase can offer the logical argument that promotions would bring increased revenues into the Club and COSU wouldn't argue the point, they just aren't demanding it, if it happens brilliant but they have a nice to happen approach to getting out of this League not the I want promotion now approach of supporters. COSU will look to compete for promotion going forward but definitely will not look to or have the expectation to 'sweep' to it and that is the reality and that's a bitter and unpalatable pill for some to swallow. I said on another thread that Kev's postion is safe if he doesn't massively drop the ball, relegation or a serious threat of it most likely would be that fumble, criticism of tactics or the perceived drop in attendances due to opinions of non entertaining
football or mid to bottom half table position wouldn't be it, although arguably definitely it would be underachievement.
 
The club is simply not sustainable all the while it languishes in the NL and the longer this is the case the worse the financial position will become. The current squad is nowhere near good enough to get us promoted, lndeed it is arguable that the likes of Ralph, Miley, Taylor, Bridge and Husin have reached their full potential while the jury is out on some of the others. This coupled with a seemlngly rigid and inflexible playing style will probably condemn us to years in this purgatory as we shrink in ambition and status.
 
The club is simply not sustainable all the while it languishes in the NL and the longer this is the case the worse the financial position will become.
Yet from COSU's perspective getting out of the NL is not a vital catalyst towards sustainability and have the belief that our financial position will improve without the bonus of promotion! Not saying their right and not saying their wrong, just saying it as it is.
 
Yet from COSU's perspective getting out of the NL is not a vital catalyst towards sustainability and have the belief that our financial position will improve without the bonus of promotion! Not saying their right and not saying their wrong, just saying it as it is.
Yes I understand that completely and hope they are right. Only time will tell.
 
I can completely understand pretty much all of the viewpoints here. Supporters pay their hard-earned money and expect to be entertained and witness success, with the desire for this being particularly acute given our spiral down the leagues over the years. That said, I personally remain patient as I didn't think I'd have a club to support a few months ago. COSU are approaching this as a business rather than a play-thing, so putting the club on a vaguely solid footing is the name of the game.

The debacle over the summer not only impacted recruitment, but I'd also wager it had a detrimental impact on strength and conditioning given the state of the training facilities. Hence we have significant injury list already, with an already-thin squad depth. I'm convinced we'll get there, but that it'll take a bit longer than hoped.
 
I'm hoping that the 3 amigos see a different path for our style of play, as this slow build up play doesn't seem to be played by other sides in this division, especially if they want to escape it?
We all love the blue boys, but this turgid style of footie is hard to watch, and I fear we will lose as many fans through boredom than failing results!
 
After a short break from the zone, and losing my head a week or so ago against Sutton, thought id share my view.

I see so many "clueless tactics" tweets and messages, and whilst to an extent I can see where they come from, I genuinely do not believe theyre the reason were so awful at the minute.

I REFUSE to believe Kev told them to be so negative against wealdstone, who had only scored 1 goal (i think?) at home all season. I do not for one second believe Kev is the reason we are so lackluster going forward, these players are just genuinely poor. Theyre tired, low on confidence, not technically able, a bunch of reasons.

Noor was the big reason we lost Saturday, he was so awful. Remember him passing the ball so many times out wide and not then coming short to give an option and we lost posession and even conceded on one of those times.
Moncur is clearly gifted on the ball, but has given absolutely zero end product so far
Bonne was great Saturday given he had no service whatsoever, won so many knockdowns but NO ONE battled for the second ball.

People can say this is down the Kevs style, but Gus is the only one showing any drive. He is the ONLY player in the squad willing to take a risk, and its evidently paying off. KAF looks like he's up for bursting forward, but again no one has any willingness to beat a man. I am so fed up of people blaming management. The subs made were absolutely right, we were down, no creativity so we made attacking positive changes. These players just do not seem up to it at all.

Also, and i will hold my hands up as i also berated Collin, as his choices have been questionable, this back 3 are so pathetic and spineless at the moment, the amount of times they have played it back to collin when it isn't needed and collin gets the stick, the constant passing of the buck from them to collin. Cav would ALWAYS show as a short option for Collin, something Noor hasnt been doing when in the 6 role and it has really upset me the fact players seem to be okay with this.

Just my opinion, always welcome to critisism.
 
I'm hoping that the 3 amigos see a different path for our style of play, as this slow build up play doesn't seem to be played by other sides in this division, especially if they want to escape it?
We all love the blue boys, but this turgid style of footie is hard to watch, and I fear we will lose as many fans through boredom than failing results!
If you watch Kev et al on the touchline you will know that none of the coaching team advocate a slow build up but if players aren't performing, for whatever reason, then the team will adopt safety first mentality, usually without realising they're doing it. PB was often berated on here for being negative and promoting a slow safety first style of play, yet on the touchline it was his voice constantly shouting at players to push on. Managers are too often blamed when its the players who fail to perform and its always been that way, even when I played and that was about 35 years ago. I'm confident that things will change and these same players and management team that are now classed as clueless or not good enough, will push us into the play offs, if not, then next season will do. Pazienza.
 
I actually saw a post on X that said against these same teams last year (excluding the two new teams who we broke even against) we took 15 points, this year we’ve taken 11.

It feels way worse than 4 points less, but with players like Coker, Miley, Waldron to bolster the ranks, it does leave me feeling a bit less negative after the sh*t show of Saturday!
 
A bad workman blames his tools, not sure how the management can't be blamed for poor style of play.... that would mean any substitutions would not be able to change a game. The conductor leads the orchestra, if he's off so are they!
I do love a good analogie!
 
I actually saw a post on X that said against these same teams last year (excluding the two new teams who we broke even against) we took 15 points, this year we’ve taken 11.

It feels way worse than 4 points less, but with players like Coker, Miley, Waldron to bolster the ranks, it does leave me feeling a bit less negative after the sh*t show of Saturday!
Ahem....
 
Yet from COSU's perspective getting out of the NL is not a vital catalyst towards sustainability and have the belief that our financial position will improve without the bonus of promotion! Not saying their right and not saying their wrong, just saying it as it is.

Yes but Cosu are very much relying on a fan base who have endured dross on the pitch for many years to keep coming in large numbers.

If the plan is to stabilise the club and they are happy with mid table in the national league, then they will be less happy when crowds drop to sub 5k after just a few seasons in this woeful league.

I'd much rather watch a really good team play football and have a successful season than get a better pint and burger. I'm sure that a large percentage of fans feel the same.

The fact that I don't generally miss home games and yet I'm likely to miss Saturdays game, without feeling remotely bothered, tells its own story.
 
Yes but Cosu are very much relying on a fan base who have endured dross on the pitch for many years to keep coming in large numbers.

If the plan is to stabilise the club and they are happy with mid table in the national league, then they will be less happy when crowds drop to sub 5k after just a few seasons in this woeful league.

I'd much rather watch a really good team play football and have a successful season than get a better pint and burger. I'm sure that a large percentage of fans feel the same.

The fact that I don't generally miss home games and yet I'm likely to miss Saturdays game, without feeling remotely bothered, tells its own story.
Watching football you want to be entertained with the hope of promotion/play offs. I get the feeling that COSU don't really see the on the pitch stuff as priority at the moment ie the lack of player quality which has came to the club since they taken over but in there defence they only officially taken over in July so will reserve judgement on COSU overall leadership for year down the road. Unfortunately it does appear patience is name of the game at Southend which doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. My concern is that patience will run out pretty quickly at Southend and fans will drift away which will hamper the club financially in the future if results continue to be poor and the ambition isn’t shown. Sustainability will work in this league if your customers ie the fans keep coming and invest with the odd player sale now and again. But will 7k plus keep turning up to watch poor quality of football with no hope of promotion? I doubt it. Tv deal in this league is ****, sponsorship at this level is dire so realistically COSU are solely reliant on the fans to keep turning up. I don't see a way that COSU can make sustainability work in this league without the fans keep turning up due to the poor revenue streams this league offers.
 
Watching football you want to be entertained with the hope of promotion/play offs. I get the feeling that COSU don't really see the on the pitch stuff as priority at the moment ie the lack of player quality which has came to the club since they taken over but in there defence they only officially taken over in July so will reserve judgement on COSU overall leadership for year down the road. Unfortunately it does appear patience is name of the game at Southend which doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. My concern is that patience will run out pretty quickly at Southend and fans will drift away which will hamper the club financially in the future if results continue to be poor and the ambition isn’t shown. Sustainability will work in this league if your customers ie the fans keep coming and invest with the odd player sale now and again. But will 7k plus keep turning up to watch poor quality of football with no hope of promotion? I doubt it. Tv deal in this league is ****, sponsorship at this level is dire so realistically COSU are solely reliant on the fans to keep turning up. I don't see a way that COSU can make sustainability work in this league without the fans keep turning up due to the poor revenue streams this league offers.
I don't know how many times it's been mentioned - Cosu believe the key to sustainability is non matchday related revenue streams.
 
I think the fans will keep coming if they see that we are in with a realistic chance of at least the play offs. We need to be in the top eight for most of the season. It took Luton about five seasons to get promoted but each season they were in a challenging position and the attendances were fairly stable.
 
Yes but Cosu are very much relying on a fan base who have endured dross on the pitch for many years to keep coming in large numbers.

If the plan is to stabilise the club and they are happy with mid table in the national league, then they will be less happy when crowds drop to sub 5k after just a few seasons in this woeful league.

I'd much rather watch a really good team play football and have a successful season than get a better pint and burger. I'm sure that a large percentage of fans feel the same.

The fact that I don't generally miss home games and yet I'm likely to miss Saturdays game, without feeling remotely bothered, tells its own story.
I do understand where your coming from Tommy re what you and others want from your football, unfortunately COSU's priorities and yours are not aligned in the here and now. As for crowds dropping do I think COSU want that, of course not, but do I think they have considered the possibility during a 5 year regeneration plan of that happening, yes I do, just by the nature of football and they are prepared collectively as COSU to financially manage this type of senerio. Obviously not ongoing but within the overall project something to be potentially encountered and in the short term handled. I get what you say about COSU perceived reliance on crowds above 5k but I don't think COSU have structured their starting approach to the 5 year regeneration plan with as high a reliance over the first 12-18 months on this factor as much as it's liable to be a priority going forward from that point.
Anyway Tommy let's hope results and performance take an upturn soon and you get your Shrimpers buzz back!
 
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