Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 1-2 Col U *Spit*

[Beefy]

Erm I beg to differ on that point...Foran,Paynter,Harold,Macdonald over the last few seasons and I will chuck in Walker and Revell to boot.I don't think he makes that many great finds at all but is maybe tied by the wage structure.

Not a single one of those player were not good enough for this level. You try telling a Brentford fan that Charlie MacDonald isn't good enough for this level - they love him. Same with Paynter at Swindon. Revs held his own at Brighton, Walker was loved at Yeovil and even Matt Harrold has been doing a decent job for Wycombe.

I don't think any one of those players (with the exception of Foran where there were obviously a lot of other issues involved) didn't play to their ability whilst at Southend I think the issue is that we seem to think that we're entitled to having better players than the average lower-league centre-forwards that each one of those players are.

 

[Beefy]

Also, I presume that all of those posters claiming how ridiculous it was to have Laurent up front were not the same posters calling for Laurent to be played up front in the 'Ibrehe-Less' thread on here a few days ago?

I know that I claimed that Laurent/Barnard should be a last resort partnership but I got the impression that I was in a minority.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Not a single one of those player were not good enough for this level. You try telling a Brentford fan that Charlie MacDonald isn't good enough for this level - they love him. Same with Paynter at Swindon. Revs held his own at Brighton, Walker was loved at Yeovil and even Matt Harrold has been doing a decent job for Yeovil.

I don't think any one of those players (with the exception of Foran where there were obviously a lot of other issues involved) didn't play to their ability whilst at Southend I think the issue is that we seem to think that we're entitled to having better players than the average lower-league centre-forwards that each one of those players are.

Good point. Harrold, Macdonald and Hooper all were top scorers in the season they left us. They are all top scorers for their clubs this season, along with Paynter. Meanwhile we are left with Walker ( one goal in 12 months, Freedman (one goal this season) and Scannel (2 goals in his whole southend career). Barney apart we must have the worst set of strikers in the division.

Thank the lord that Barney has avoided the injuries he had last season and season before, else we'd really be in the sht.

 

[Andyhsufc]

I think Tilly got it wrong with the team today big time; one by playing Laurent upfront and two by playing Grant on the wing. Both players have played in these positions before and have struggled so why he did again is beyond me?

In terms of the performance, we matched them for the majority of the half but a sloppy start to the second half has cost us. And I feel Joyce has got to be doing better with the second goal

Joyce - 5.5
Francis - 7
Morrison - 7
Barrett - 7
Malone - 7
Grant - 6 (but out of position)
Macca - 7.5 (SMOTM)
Christophe - 6.5
Moussa - 6
Laurent - 6 (out of position as well)
Barnard - 6.5

Scannell - 6.5
Walker - 6

So to sum up, not a bad performance but tactics were wrong imo today.

 

[RettendonCB]

unbelievable that we played JFC and Grant in the same side. Should have kept same team except Joyce as a forced change and Freedman for Jabo. Apart from Francis he is the only person that can create something and apart from Barnard the only person who can finish. Apart from that Malone played the best game he has had for Southend, Macca was quality and Francis played well

 

[manor15]

I'll be honest...
Ian "God" Joyce 10 - Fantastic. End of.
Simon "I'm supposed to mark?" Francis 6 - Defensively, one word can sum it up, ****, going forward, put some good crosses in and had to do Grant's job on the wing
Sean "Kick him" Morrison 7.5 - Was impressive, won a lot, challenged, wanted the ball, worked hard
Adam "Southend Blood" Barrett 7 - Did well, went forward well but left huge gaps behind him
Scott "Woopsy Daisy" Malone 7 - Did ok, few mistakes but was pretty good
Anthony "I wanna play centre mid" Grant 6.5 - Never went forward but looked better when in the middle
Jean-Francois "Oh **** someones trying to tackle me, what do I do?" Christophe 4.5 - Every time someone challenged him he lost it and panicked but could have been worse
Alan "MUST KILL" McCormack 7 - surprisingly behaved himself a bit, only a strange yellow! Did ok and his shot from the rebounded corner in first half was like he used to be; more please!
Franck "Where do I go?" Moussa 7 - looked unsure of himself but made some good runs forward that threatened earlier on
Lee "Do I have to do everything?" Barnard 7 - played well but had to do everything himself, including acting as ball boy, good goal for the tally, will it be his last appearance at the Hall?
Francis "Can I play right wing?" Laurent 6.5 - Started well then faded, like usual, and looked a bit sulky in the second half so didn't offer much and looked like he didn't want to be there
Subs
James "I'm alive!" Walker 7 - Not bad but didn't really have long enough, pace threatened
Damien "Run, run, run, eat" Scannell 7 - Worked hard, got in Barneys way late on but did ok

TnB 6 Earlier changes and a different set up might have helped
Ref 3 Awful.
TBV 9 Fantastic throughout, better than the farming inbred scum!

 

[OldBlueLady]

Deliberately didn't post on this yesterday, tried to get a bit of perspective before I did so. According to the official stats, we had 49% possession to their 51%; 9 shots on target to their 6; both had 5 off target and 5 corners to their 1! On that basis, we should've won.

Disappointed beyond belief, I really hoped that the fact we had 8 players out there who KNOW about the Essex Derby might have made a difference yet it was really only a few that seemed to care and show any passion.

Yet again, I see that Macca is dividing opinion on here. What I will say is that if Tilly wanted Jeff and Grant to play in midfield and Laurent up top, then he should've put Macca wide on the right, Grant looked a lost soul out there, yet we know Macca can cross. I thought he did ok as it goes, Izzet was out to rile him from the off, and Hegley let him. Thought Moussa looked a lot better than of late. Jeff and Macca actually took turns getting forward and both came very close.

Defensively I thought that was one of our better performances recently, Morrison was superb and should've had MotM and Franno looked composed although not as effective as when he has Laurent in front of him. Scotty Malone saved one off the line 1st half and was fairly solid, as was Adam. When Mildy has a wall for a free kick, he communicates thru Macca exactly what he wants, no-one seemed to do that today, and they were left to sort themselves out. I'd guess it was a very recent injury to Mildy meaning they'd not had much chance to practise with Joyce, he wasn't as bad as some are saying, but his positioning for both goals was not good.

Tactically very poor today, said Dougie should've started - at least that would have allowed Laurent his wing runs, and then replace him with Walker just after half time.

And I told you all Hegley was an arsehole! (oooo, that one slipped thru!!!)

Joyce - 5
Franno - 7
Morrison - 8
Barrett - 6.5
Malone - 6.5
Grant - 6
Macca - 7
Jeff - 6.5
Moussa 7
Laurent - 6
Barney - 7

 

[TrueBlue]

Deliberately didn't post on this yesterday, tried to get a bit of perspective before I did so. According to the official stats, we had 49% possession to their 51%; 9 shots on target to their 6; both had 5 off target and 5 corners to their 1! On that basis, we should've won.

Disappointed beyond belief, I really hoped that the fact we had 8 players out there who KNOW about the Essex Derby might have made a difference yet it was really only a few that seemed to care and show any passion.

Yet again, I see that Macca is dividing opinion on here. What I will say is that if Tilly wanted Jeff and Grant to play in midfield and Laurent up top, then he should've put Macca wide on the right, Grant looked a lost soul out there, yet we know Macca can cross. I thought he did ok as it goes, Izzet was out to rile him from the off, and Hegley let him. Thought Moussa looked a lot better than of late. Jeff and Macca actually took turns getting forward and both came very close.

Defensively I thought that was one of our better performances recently, Morrison was superb and should've had MotM and Franno looked composed although not as effective as when he has Laurent in front of him. Scotty Malone saved one off the line 1st half and was fairly solid, as was Adam. When Mildy has a wall for a free kick, he communicates thru Macca exactly what he wants, no-one seemed to do that today, and they were left to sort themselves out. I'd guess it was a very recent injury to Mildy meaning they'd not had much chance to practise with Joyce, he wasn't as bad as some are saying, but his positioning for both goals was not good.

Tactically very poor today, said Dougie should've started - at least that would have allowed Laurent his wing runs, and then replace him with Walker just after half time.

And I told you all Hegley was an arsehole! (oooo, that one slipped thru!!!)

Joyce - 5
Franno - 7
Morrison - 8
Barrett - 6.5
Malone - 6.5
Grant - 6
Macca - 7
Jeff - 6.5
Moussa 7
Laurent - 6
Barney - 7

Drop Macca

 

[Swiss Tony]

Deliberately didn't post on this yesterday, tried to get a bit of perspective before I did so. According to the official stats, we had 49% possession to their 51%; 9 shots on target to their 6; both had 5 off target and 5 corners to their 1! On that basis, we should've won.

Disappointed beyond belief, I really hoped that the fact we had 8 players out there who KNOW about the Essex Derby might have made a difference yet it was really only a few that seemed to care and show any passion.

Yet again, I see that Macca is dividing opinion on here. What I will say is that if Tilly wanted Jeff and Grant to play in midfield and Laurent up top, then he should've put Macca wide on the right, Grant looked a lost soul out there, yet we know Macca can cross. I thought he did ok as it goes, Izzet was out to rile him from the off, and Hegley let him. Thought Moussa looked a lot better than of late. Jeff and Macca actually took turns getting forward and both came very close.

Defensively I thought that was one of our better performances recently, Morrison was superb and should've had MotM and Franno looked composed although not as effective as when he has Laurent in front of him. Scotty Malone saved one off the line 1st half and was fairly solid, as was Adam. When Mildy has a wall for a free kick, he communicates thru Macca exactly what he wants, no-one seemed to do that today, and they were left to sort themselves out. I'd guess it was a very recent injury to Mildy meaning they'd not had much chance to practise with Joyce, he wasn't as bad as some are saying, but his positioning for both goals was not good.

Tactically very poor today, said Dougie should've started - at least that would have allowed Laurent his wing runs, and then replace him with Walker just after half time.

And I told you all Hegley was an arsehole! (oooo, that one slipped thru!!!)

Joyce - 5
Franno - 7
Morrison - 8
Barrett - 6.5
Malone - 6.5
Grant - 6
Macca - 7
Jeff - 6.5
Moussa 7
Laurent - 6
Barney - 7

Macca out.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Bloody leave him alone!!!:thump:

 

[SUFC Forever]

The bloke is a total **** and needs shutting up

Seems like our (very fragile) truce is off eh Scotty? Just after I posted green rep for you as well oh well it comes as no surprise.

I need shutting up do I? Think that a drunken rant on here is going to do it? Funny how I got banned for a week for you mentioning you going off your trolley in France. I suppose we will see what action is taken by the mods against you here for this one eh?

I felt the atmosphere was subdued in the ground but as has been said before, from the South Upper you cannot always hear the SUFC fans in the West but as you seem to take this as personal criticism, what am I supposed to say? "Oh Scott, you are such a wonderful fan banging on your drum - we are so lucky to have such great fans like yourself and you are truly one in a million. No other Southend fan even comes close to being the wonderful person you are and thank you, thank yo, thank you for all your efforts on our behalf" - okay, there I said it...:)

I take it that with with you ending our agreed truce to ignore each other, I can expect your usual ignorance now every time I post? Oh well, bring it on if that's the way you want it.

Steak meal?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Deliberately didn't post on this yesterday, tried to get a bit of perspective before I did so. According to the official stats, we had 49% possession to their 51%; 9 shots on target to their 6; both had 5 off target and 5 corners to their 1! On that basis, we should've won.

Disappointed beyond belief, I really hoped that the fact we had 8 players out there who KNOW about the Essex Derby might have made a difference yet it was really only a few that seemed to care and show any passion.

Yet again, I see that Macca is dividing opinion on here. What I will say is that if Tilly wanted Jeff and Grant to play in midfield and Laurent up top, then he should've put Macca wide on the right, Grant looked a lost soul out there, yet we know Macca can cross. I thought he did ok as it goes, Izzet was out to rile him from the off, and Hegley let him. Thought Moussa looked a lot better than of late. Jeff and Macca actually took turns getting forward and both came very close.

Defensively I thought that was one of our better performances recently, Morrison was superb and should've had MotM and Franno looked composed although not as effective as when he has Laurent in front of him. Scotty Malone saved one off the line 1st half and was fairly solid, as was Adam. When Mildy has a wall for a free kick, he communicates thru Macca exactly what he wants, no-one seemed to do that today, and they were left to sort themselves out. I'd guess it was a very recent injury to Mildy meaning they'd not had much chance to practise with Joyce, he wasn't as bad as some are saying, but his positioning for both goals was not good.

Tactically very poor today, said Dougie should've started - at least that would have allowed Laurent his wing runs, and then replace him with Walker just after half time.

And I told you all Hegley was an arsehole! (oooo, that one slipped thru!!!)

Joyce - 5
Franno - 7
Morrison - 8
Barrett - 6.5
Malone - 6.5
Grant - 6
Macca - 7
Jeff - 6.5
Moussa 7
Laurent - 6
Barney - 7

Are you having a laugh Kay?

Macca was not at all good yesterday. Used his elbow on a players face, tried to fight the referee to get to a player he wanted to hit and generally couldn't control his temper. He needs anger management classes to be able to channel his anger into playing football. If Macca had kept his head a bit yesterday and showed passion rather than downright rage, we may have got something out of the game. We can do without him at the moment, he needs to calm down big time!

 

[OldBlueLady]

Are you having a laugh Kay?

Macca was not at all good yesterday. Used his elbow on a players face, tried to fight the referee to get to a player he wanted to hit and generally couldn't control his temper. He needs anger management classes to be able to channel his anger into playing football. If Macca had kept his head a bit yesterday and showed passion rather than downright rage, we may have got something out of the game. We can do without him at the moment, he needs to calm down big time!

Why pick on me? This is what really ****es me off, others have said he was good/did ok not just me. I thought he kept control pretty well actually, it was the ref that didn't, Izzet was a total tool as usual.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Why pick on me? This is what really ****es me off, others have said he was good/did ok not just me. I thought he kept control pretty well actually, it was the ref that didn't, Izzet was a total tool as usual.

Get the blinkers off Kay, he virtually threw the ref to the floor to get to the player he really wanted to hit, I am surprised the ref didn't send him off!!

Calling both players and the Captains together for a chat was a good move by the ref.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Agree no player was worth a 7 apart from morrison. Macca and moose contributed nothing.The midfield is looking weaker every game. For me it has to be built around grant in the centre and laurent right wing. The other two positions are up for grabs.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Get the blinkers off Kay, he virtually threw the ref to the floor to get to the player he really wanted to hit, I am surprised the ref didn't send him off!!

Calling both players and the Captains together for a chat was a good move by the ref.

But that was after being booked completely incorrectly early on which effectively muzzled him and Izzet continuously kicking and pulling at him and getting no retribution. The ref was poo although actually using himself physically on this occasion was probably one of the few correct things he did.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Agree no player was worth a 7 apart from morrison. Macca and moose contributed nothing.The midfield is looking weaker every game. For me it has to be built around grant in the centre and laurent right wing. The other two positions are up for grabs.

Hallle-bloody-lulleh

 

[davewebbsbrain]

But that was after being booked completely incorrectly early on which effectively muzzled him and Izzet continuously kicking and pulling at him and getting no retribution. The ref was poo although actually using himself physically on this occasion was probably one of the few correct things he did.

This is where Macca should have used his brain rather than the red mist

 

[OldBlueLady]

This is where Macca should have used his brain rather than the red mist

So what should he have done? Nothing? As I said this was happening repeatedly and neither the ref nor the lino were doing anything about it. IIRC, this "handbags" was the result of a bad tackle on him by Izzet and when we were chasing the game with some momentum.

I agree the red mist is NOT a good thing, but then you lot all berate him if he tries to TELL the ref things and go on about him whinging. For some of you, he simply can't win no matter what he does.

 

[Eddy Melito]

So what should he have done? Nothing? As I said this was happening repeatedly and neither the ref nor the lino were doing anything about it. IIRC, this "handbags" was the result of a bad tackle on him by Izzet and when we were chasing the game with some momentum.

I agree the red mist is NOT a good thing, but then you lot all berate him if he tries to TELL the ref things and go on about him whinging. For some of you, he simply can't win no matter what he does.

i think macca and izzet are very similar players albeit with macca having a tad more quality on the ball. the feud between them started with a late tackle from macca after about 15-20 minutes which if it wasnt the first bad tackle of the game would have been a yellow. he was pretty lucky to get away with that, and the fact he wasnt carded wound up izzet. from there it was a great little battle between them, and all those people Discussing there wasnt enough passion from the players should have been watching it!