Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 1-2 Col U *Spit*

[Honest Man]

Laurent is most effective out wide as has been shown in the past few games.Why Tilly chose to play him up front is baffling unless he only has Walker, who has the first touch of a rapist..Dire.

OK, let's forget we have Walker on our books on Monday, and that he was the player who got us somthing out of the same fixture last season. Great goal from a young striker!

 

[Cricko]

OK, let's forget we have Walker on our books on Monday, and that he was the player who got us somthing out of the same fixture last season. Great goal from a young striker!

Yep one in a million,Maybe because Tilly and Brush never played up front in there careers they are not that clever with choosing strikers and just get lucky now and again.

 

[Honest Man]

Erm I beg to differ on that point...Foran,Paynter,Harold,Macdonald over the last few seasons and I will chuck in Walker and Revell to boot.I don't think he makes that many great finds at all but is maybe tied by the wage structure.

Erm, so why slag hem off. Support what we can afford. That's what i'm doing! There were many errors before Joyce's positioning of the wall which the Manager changed before the kick was taken/ his position for the free kick.

 

[U's Fan]

The Blues out sung Col Ewe all day aswell.

HUH? What game were you watching?!

 

[Cricko]

Erm, so why slag hem off. Support what we can afford. That's what i'm doing! There were many errors before Joyce's positioning of the wall which the Manager changed before the kick was taken/ his position for the free kick.

Sorry you have lost me, you answered my post before earlier in the thread.

Oh and welcome to the Zone.:)

 

[Honest Man]

The first goal looked like a header by an un-marked player straight at the centre of goal and the ball went really close to Joyce, who I thought should have saved it and the second Joyce had the wall with 3 players wide of the right hand post and the striker had a massive gap to aim at and he did perfectly. IMO Joyce was at fault for both but especially the second with his rubbish positioning of the wall.

Was the goal scored by the right hand post, Job done IMHO

 

[Revd Dr Alan McCormack]

HUH? What game were you watching?!

Anything above a half dozen probably sounds loud to you. Gifted 2 goals and stop singing five minutes later - nice

 

[Honest Man]

Sorry you have lost me, you answered my post before earlier in the thread.

Oh and welcome to the Zone.:)

Sorry I made two replies to your post, they wern't on the same issues, sorry if I confused you.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Shortly before the kick-off I wrote........................

"Joyce in goal, Laurent up front and Grant right-wing..............ummmm!"

Sadly, Tilly hasn't many options at the moment...........and clearly these didn't work.
Perhaps we should have tried Grant in goal..............he's played in virtually every other position. ;)
More seriously, there are a few things that come to mind. It is essential to bring players in during January. The options of struggling on with what we've got risks involving us in a relegation scrap .............and believe me, the risk of relegation can't be discounted...........we are NOT TOO GOOD TO GO DOWN as some seem to think!
We can't let Barnard go, even if he walks at the end of the season for nothing. In my opinion relegation would far outway the small sum we would be likely to get for him. Priority for Tilly will be to get someone else up front with him ..........following the failure of both O'Donovan and Ibehre. It concerns me that we may be banking our defense strengthening on the return of M'Voto, who, coming back from a serious injury, would have to hit form straight away and I shalln't even talk about the lack of creativity in the midfield.
We go to Orient with an away record from the last five away matches of 0 points and 0 goals...............doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Yet Orient is not really what
concerns me...........cast an eye over the fixture list for January and February. In our present state can anyone see us getting anything from our visits to Huddersfield and Millwall in the New Year? We better pray that we start getting a bit of consistency at home against the likes of Walsall, Wycombe and Swindon. If you think it's depressing now.......what could it be like at the end of February with trips to Colchester, MKD and Norwich and home games against Charlton and Tranmere? I didn't mean to write such a gloomy post and will end up a slightly more cheerfull note.
I do believe that there WILL be changes in January..........I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY CHOICE. Whilst I am sure that promotion wasn't expected by Tilly or Ron this year, I'm certain that relegation would have been considered as desired or acceptable. We can't be allowed to carry on, as Tilly has stoically proclaimed for most of this season, with what we've got. What we've got may well not be good enough to keep us where we are. It's that belief that gives me hope for the New Year.

 

[TrueBlue]

Tilson is at fault but nobody wants to admit it

 

[Honest Man]

Tilson is a fault but nobody wants to admit it

I think there are about three of us that will agree with that

 

[Eddy Melito]

with the club in its current situation, you should be grateful there is a loyal club servant at the helm. most would have jumped ship ages ago, and from the outside i dont think many would want to take on a firefighting job like tilsons.

 

[bazza192]

Tilson is a fault but nobody wants to admit it

I would blame Tilson? Yes i would.

Although i still think he is a quality manager and i would be devastated if he left us, we need to stop treading on egg shell and point the finger.

And Tilson need's to come out from time to time and take the blame. Not just put it down to bad luck, as his team selection today was poor.

True the players did not do themselves justice, but its up to the manager to sort them out.

Anyway i will be supporting Tilson and his Blue Army against Orient.

 

[EastStandBlue]

I won't say much, as I've had a skinful.

Ultimately, Tilson is at fault with his match selection. To play Laurent up front to begin with was suicide, knowing full well that he was dying to be on the wing and limiting our services up front with nobody knowing quite what was going on. He should've just stuck with the known formula at home. Instead, we had Laurent playing on up front when he was supposed to be on the wing, Simon Francis attempting to play in two positions and Barnard left alienated. It was a ludicrous decision to mess with a formula that has worked at home against better teams than Colchester and one that cost us three points today.

 

[bazza192]

I won't say much, as I've had a skinful.

Instead, we had Laurent playing on the wing when he was supposed to be on the wing.

You must have been drowning your sorrows pretty hard. lol

 

[EastStandBlue]

You must have been drowning your sorrows pretty hard. lol

I have no idea what you're talking about :whistling:

Some positives out of today though... McCormack had a good game, ran the midfield despite some poor passing and got the team going when needed. If we can sign Sean Morrison, no matter the cost, we need to. The boy has put in several performances now of a level far higher than League One and screams echoes of Dorian Dervite last season.

 

[bazza192]

Instead, we had Laurent playing on the wing when he was supposed to be on the wing??????

This was what you had down before you obviously edited it.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess, and that's what makes football different to most other sports, but I don't think Joyce is deserving of the criticism he is getting on here.

Rather than pointing the finger at him for both goals, perhaps you may want to look at the countless mistakes we made in defence today, the fact we all of our backline looked like the preverbial rabbit in headlights, and the defending for both goals was worse than sunday league standard - it was truly shocking.

Not sure about the second as the angle I was at didn't lend itself to see whereabout the ball went past him, but the first..... Where was our defence??

I actually thought he commanded his area well, caught most things that came his way, and apart from one dodgy kick, looked fine all game.

I'd be far more concerned about our total and utter disarray at the back, and the outrageou sdecision by Tilly to switch Laurent up top - Talk about giving the initiative to the opposition in a local derby match, playing the most negative and uncreative midfield we could muster!

Heard Glenn Speller's comments on the way home, and thought he got it right - it was a derby game in name, but that was it. There seemed to be a lack of passion, a lack of fight, and the pace of the game at times was almost pedestrian. The onus is on us as the home team to take it by the scruff of the neck, but at no stage did we do that, and the players seemed to lack the understanding of what this game meant ot eh supporters.

A very poor show by just about everyone concerned with SUFC today, barring the fans, who were again, superb.

 

[Eddy Melito]

I actually thought he commanded his area well,

something that cant be attributed to mildenhall from what i have seen (especially for a giant man)

 

[EastStandBlue]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess, and that's what makes football different to most other sports, but I don't think Joyce is deserving of the criticism he is getting on here.

Rather than pointing the finger at him for both goals, perhaps you may want to look at the countless mistakes we made in defence today, the fact we all of our backline looked like the preverbial rabbit in headlights, and the defending for both goals was worse than sunday league standard - it was truly shocking.

Not sure about the second as the angle I was at didn't lend itself to see whereabout the ball went past him, but the first..... Where was our defence??

I actually thought he commanded his area well, caught most things that came his way, and apart from one dodgy kick, looked fine all game.

I'd be far more concerned about our total and utter disarray at the back, and the outrageou sdecision by Tilly to switch Laurent up top - Talk about giving the initiative to the opposition in a local derby match, playing the most negative and uncreative midfield we could muster!

Heard Glenn Speller's comments on the way home, and thought he got it right - it was a derby game in name, but that was it. There seemed to be a lack of passion, a lack of fight, and the pace of the game at times was almost pedestrian. The onus is on us as the home team to take it by the scruff of the neck, but at no stage did we do that, and the players seemed to lack the understanding of what this game meant ot eh supporters.

A very poor show by just about everyone concerned with SUFC today, barring the fans, who were again, superb.

Can't argue with any of that really... Joyce might've done better with the second, but the first was a calamity of defensive errors, mainly by Francis, and the second was completely avoidable by sensible defending.