Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0-3 Barnet

[bluethroughandthrough]

No he is doing your head in and a minority of vocal posters.

The simple fact is that this is a mid table squad. No amount of tinkering with the line up (or manager) will change that fact. If the squad isn’t strengthened then that, to me, signals COSU’s intentions for this season.

As for supporters leaving early, abusing players etc, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I’ve seen football much more dire at RH, admittedly in front of 2-3,000 crowds. Thick and thin springs to mind.

How will we know if we don't try? We change to a 433 formation and actually looked up for it. Rhetorically is this an example of a change? Tinkering with a line up definitely. Ripping up the plan a at the moment however - based on prior historical scenarios - could suggest a whole better performance opportunity

 

[shrimpercats]

Just seen the highlights on YouTube. Even worse than watching it live. For all the muted praise Golding has been getting, he was horribly at fault for all three goals. And as for the keeper with the third goal - yeeks! I can only hope that Collin was still under the weather and Maher doesn’t see him as an upgrade. I know it’s easy to say with hindsight, but I feared the worst from the pre match routines. There was no spark, no enthusiasm and everyone seemed to be just going through the motions. There is something terribly wrong somewhere.

 

[shrimperjon]

Who did we beat?

Sittingbourne won 8-1 yesterday

 

[in the know]

From behind the dugout it was interesting to watch their manager and ours verbals. While kev and their manager questioned most decisions with the 4th official, they're manager was hugely proactive in managing the players and on field plan and tactics. He was borderline internally combusting to make his point non stop for 90 mins.
Unfortunately, I just didn't see this from maher who seemed to spend most of the game moaning about whatever had just happened.
My personal opinion, I felt only Ralph golding and bonne would have any chance of being in their squad, due to their experience, ability, skill. More interestingly is that apparently Barnets playing budget isn't dissimilar to ours but we have ended up with a smaller selection of mostly physically weaker, smaller, inexperienced professionals from lower leagues compared to barnets stronger, less niaive, faster, drilled team, that know what their jobs are on the pitch.
We played with massive niaivity, lack of pace, and lack of a plan. In fact, it's not really that barnets tactics were bettsr, more like we just didn't have any plan or tactics other than to maintain a negative system and ignore any form a player displays.
Couldn't understand the set up or subs as many have said and why play a keeper that I thought maybe was an emergency loan when Collin on the face of it appeared fit enough to play and be on the bench.
Changes are needed quickly but it seems 'quickly' isn't something thats possible now with so many involved in decision making. I'm sad but I think what we saw yesterday is where we are for a while baring the odd !oan deal. Beat very poor teams narrowly and struggle with the rest.
With who we now have in the squad playing I see 433 or a hybrid version of it as the only way to be more aggressive and positive with a chance of winning games. Unfortunately, I can't imagine this happening.

 

[Barnet Bee]

From behind the dugout it was interesting to watch their manager and ours verbals. While kev and their manager questioned most decisions with the 4th official, they're manager was hugely proactive in managing the players and on field plan and tactics. He was borderline internally combusting to make his point non stop for 90 mins.
Unfortunately, I just didn't see this from maher who seemed to spend most of the game moaning about whatever had just happened.
My personal opinion, I felt only Ralph holding and bonne would have any chance of being in their squad, due to their experience, ability, skill. More interestingly is that apparently Barnets playing budget isn't dissimilar to ours but we have ended up with a smaller selection of mostly physically weaker, smaller, inexperienced professionals from lower leagues compared to barnets stronger, less niaive, faster, drilled team, that know what their jobs are on the pitch.
We played with massive niaivity, lack of pace, and lack of a plan. In fact, it's not really that barnets tactics were bettsr, more like we just didn't have any plan or tactics other than to maintain a negative system and ignore any form a player displays.
Couldn't understand the set up or subs as many have said and why play a keeper that I thought maybe was an emergency loan when Collin on the face of it appeared fit enough to play and be on the bench.
Changes are needed quickly but it seems 'quickly' isn't something thats possible now with so many involved in decision making. I'm sad but I think what we saw yesterday is where we are for a while baring the odd !oan deal. Beat very poor teams narrowly and struggle with the rest.
With who we now have in the squad playing I see 433 or a hybrid version of it as the only way to be more aggressive and positive with a chance of winning games. Unfortunately, I can't imagine this happening.

Barnet fan again in peace. Firstly why did Southend play in Black or is that a very dark blue? As a fan of our rivalry over the last 35 years I'm also in the Maher Out camp. It's criminal to see your club in this position, maybe the biggest club in this league. As I said in a previous post the support you brought down to the Hive in August and bring every time is top class. The fan base are not getting any where near value for money and your club is massively under achieving... I want to see your club get back in the EFL where hopefully we can have a League Two game once again. IN THE KNOW you referenced our manager in comparison to Maher during the game. Without DB we would not be in contention for automatic promotion 3 years running. DB has an owner that loves the Club and that is equal to having the right players that are well drilled in what they are supposed to be doing. It's the difference currently between the 2 Clubs. I'm saying all this from a position of ignorance as to how your club is being run.. Eager to learn Shrimpers . . Hope your season picks up

 

[bazzashrimper]

How do you know that? Outside of a couple of players this is pretty much the same team that nearly got into the play offs. Why have they regressed so badly?

They’re being paid, there is no threat of the club going under. Why has players like Miley, Bridge, Husin and even in recent games Gus looked like the shadow of their former selves. A couple of months ago fans thought Gus was destined for the EFL. Now I doubt York, Barnet or FGR would be interested. It is not a coincidence that these players have all suddenly become ****. It’s down to the manager to get the best of these players, they have the ability as we have seen it.

A couple of players includes our best striker and best centre back. That’s a big thing for league position, but probably for other players performance too

 

[Bratislava Blue]

I have taken my time before submitting my comments about yesterdays game. Not that they will make much difference. I just wanted to give my mood to be calmer after what was an atrocious performance.

Our defense - The back 3/back 4/back 5 (one never knows) lost nearly every duel against players that made them look significantly better, smarter, disciplined etc, etc in our final third. The decision making of the Barnet players left our defense chasing or catching up to shadows. Golding got out smarted for the 2 goals scored from corners. But they were a copy and paste of the 3 conceded against York. Barnet did their homework on us. I don't think we have ever done that to an opposition.

Our midfield - Non existent. Coker had his worst game for a long time and should have been substituted at half time. Miley was scared to go anywhere near players after his yellow card and this should have been recognized at half time. Husin was getting bypassed in midfield and had no influence at any stage of the game but managed to stay on for 81 minutes.

Our attack - Too many people are crying out for reinforcements to out front line. I have to disagree. The supply line that our midfield and wing backs provide the front line would starve any front line. Why is it that GSM is our top scorer. He has had to create the chances himself. Who has assisted his goals? We don't have one player in the top 40 list of assists! I understand the frustration with Bonne but what is he feeding off. Pepples goals were mainly created by himself. You can see that Kendall is trying and didn't deserve to be substituted yesterday.

Our substitutions- Don't and never change anything.

Maher needs to come up with a solution to this and quick. If not someone else will be given the chance to do it.

 

[Hooly]

From behind the dugout it was interesting to watch their manager and ours verbals. While kev and their manager questioned most decisions with the 4th official, they're manager was hugely proactive in managing the players and on field plan and tactics. He was borderline internally combusting to make his point non stop for 90 mins.
Unfortunately, I just didn't see this from maher who seemed to spend most of the game moaning about whatever had just happened.

Brennan was like that at the away game. It was early season, during Collin's very iffy kicking phase & IIRC the 1st game after Kensdale's "illness" so he'd obviously identified it as an easy way to get at us. He spent most of the game jumping up & down like a demeted leprechaun but every time one of their players didn't chase our back 7 or whatever the tictac was that day or follow in on Collin he went absolutely ballistic.

Very, very annoying to an opposing fan but to be fair seems to be having the desired affect in terms of where The Bees are in the NL.

It's not rocket science to work out where the difference is. In 27 NL games Barnet have conceeded 30 goals & in 26 we, despite most of us thinking we are poor at the back this year, have let in 30 as well. But at the other end they have scored 54 & we have a paltry 29. Pretty "simples" really.

 

[rshepp]

Let's not look passed some facts.
First goal because the rubbish referee did not spot a foul by No4.
Second goal. An o.g.
We scored a valid goal. Back to the rubbish ref.
At 2-1 we were not out of it.

 

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[Holy Joe]

. I'm saying all this from a position of ignorance as to how your club is being run.. Eager to learn Shrimpers . . Hope your season picks up

I don't know Barnet well, but my impression is you've had a number of stable years and are relatively well run with good non match day revenues.

We've had the opposite for a number of years - basically being bankrupt with endless transfer embargoes etc.

New owners came in July - put in over £4m - but we have very little to show for that as most is going on historic debts, getting safety certificates for the ground (lots of work required) and general running costs. New owners are not mega minted. They need to get the foundations off the pitch right, and then on the pitch follows (obvs not popular order with all the fan base).

 

[Fairport]

Barnet brought in a large number of players for this season but they are not afraid to loan out players within a few months of signing them if they are not deemed good enough to start in the first team.. Two of which are Jermaine Francis and Finlay Wilkinson who are at Braintree and Chelmsford City. Wilkinson scored two goals yesterday. Both of these players have been linked with us by people on the Zone. It seems to me that if a signing does not seem as good as they hoped then they soon ditch them rather than persevere with them. Obviously having a large squad helps.

 

[Barnet Bee]

I don't know Barnet well, but my impression is you've had a number of stable years and are relatively well run with good non match day revenues.

We've had the opposite for a number of years - basically being bankrupt with endless transfer embargoes etc.

New owners came in July - put in over £4m - but we have very little to show for that as most is going on historic debts, getting safety certificates for the ground (lots of work required) and general running costs. New owners are not mega minted. They need to get the foundations off the pitch right, and then on the pitch follows (obvs not popular order with all the fan base).

Holy Joe thanks for getting back to me. Barnet FC own The Hive and we are very luck to have Tony Kleanthous as Chairman and Owner. He has stabilised the Club financially over many years and we have gone up and down from the EFL to the NL. No Club is without problems and we know that long term we need to get away from The Hive. You guys are going through similar off field Shenanigans that affect the entire Club. I can't resolve those issues but try and stay strong because your fans deserve a whole lot better and it will come to you eventually. We at Barnet are just grateful we have a great manager that keeps us punching above our weight..

 

[Supershrimper]

Sittingbourne won 8-1 yesterday

We are going to be embarrassed.

 

[Ailsa Road Shrimper]

We were unfortunate to lose the games against Barnet a year ago despite having Vilhete, Brooklyn and Sandat leading our front line. Yet here we are a year later looking far worse than we were in those days.

Very concerning that we are more than halfway through our 4th season in this league yet we are still persevering with lightweight, slow, non goalscoring and ineffective players who are not suited to the hustle and bustle of this league. All the top teams in this league show us how it is done yet we go backwards (literally) with our predictable, slow and ineffective set up.

I don’t want to hear the excuses on Kensdale and Cardwell any longer. Teams at all levels lose their better players, you have to deal with it. Neither were that good anyway - one is at Eastbourne and the other is warming the bench in this league.

It is a real worry seeing where the goals are going to come from. The incredible run Gus had was always going to end. Pepple has gone. Kendall doesn’t look like scoring any sooner than Bonne. Coker looks like our only goal threat from midfield. Our defenders rarely score, though our corners are awful. Barnet again showed us how it is done on that front.

 

[rayleigh dan]

We were unfortunate to lose the games against Barnet a year ago despite having Vilhete, Brooklyn and Sandat leading our front line. Yet here we are a year later looking far worse than we were in those days.

Very concerning that we are more than halfway through our 4th season in this league yet we are still persevering with lightweight, slow, non goalscoring and ineffective players who are not suited to the hustle and bustle of this league. All the top teams in this league show us how it is done yet we go backwards (literally) with our predictable, slow and ineffective set up.

I don’t want to hear the excuses on Kensdale and Cardwell any longer. Teams at all levels lose their better players, you have to deal with it. Neither were that good anyway - one is at Eastbourne and the other is warming the bench in this league.

It is a real worry seeing where the goals are going to come from. The incredible run Gus had was always going to end. Pepple has gone. Kendall doesn’t look like scoring any sooner than Bonne. Coker looks like our only goal threat from midfield. Our defenders rarely score, though our corners are awful. Barnet again showed us how it is done on that front.

I mentioned this at the match. We competed well last year and were unlucky to lose both matches. This season we have actual strikers playing, and otherwise more or less the same team other than Kensdale, yet perform abysmally. Why? Something’s gone badly wrong over that period, the team spirit seems to be non existent now.

 

[Chrisb]

I don’t want to hear the excuses on Kensdale and Cardwell any longer. Teams at all levels lose their better players, you have to deal with it. Neither were that good anyway - one is at Eastbourne and the other is warming the bench in this league.

Let's be fair here, we all know why Kensdale is at Eastbourne and it doesn't have anything to do with his ability on the pitch. He was a great player for us and much missed but, quite rightly, no longer is part of our team.

 

[Finney on the wing]

I mentioned this at the match. We competed well last year and were unlucky to lose both matches. This season we have actual strikers playing, and otherwise more or less the same team other than Kensdale, yet perform abysmally. Why? Something’s gone badly wrong over that period, the team spirit seems to be non existent now.

Or...maybe we have not given full credit to a Barnet team who were a class above us. Highest scorers in the league for a reason and title contenders. They were better than both FGR and Charlton in my view. Every one of their players seemed skilful, strong and fast and the interplay was top notch. We'd be wetting ourselves with delight has that have been our team. It is no disgrace to occasionally lose to a good team. The trick is how do we get behind the team - because that's what they need now. The negativity on here is a like a disease that slowly filters through all of the layers becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. So yes an awful result but lets move on and get behind the team

 

[rayleigh dan]

Or...maybe we have not given full credit to a Barnet team who were a class above us. Highest scorers in the league for a reason and title contenders. They were better than both FGR and Charlton in my view. Every one of their players seemed skilful, strong and fast and the interplay was top notch. We'd be wetting ourselves with delight has that have been our team. It is no disgrace to occasionally lose to a good team. The trick is how do we get behind the team - because that's what they need now. The negativity on here is a like a disease that slowly filters through all of the layers becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. So yes an awful result but lets move on and get behind the team

Agreed they were good, but I’m not convinced they were as amazing as you’re making out, or miles better than they were last year. Of course we’re going to lose some matches, my issue is the manner of the defeat, being utterly outclassed and not mustering any sort of attacking threat. Honestly, were you happy with how we performed yesterday? So many individual players were way below their best IMO.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

With respect, you weren’t at RH yesterday and it’s becoming much more than a minority, especially in the West Stand.

I had to leave early yesterday to get back for work at 7.30.
Co-incidentally, I got up just before the third goal went in. After stopping for a wee on the way out, I saw a mass exodus from the west stand, all who were exchanging angry words on the walk back down Shakespeare Drive.