Some Club Staff Salaries Late/Embargo Chat - now resolved (for now)

[CanveyCastle]

By the sound of things, we may expect more grief from HMRC for unpaid tax ?

 

[sufc4life21]

By the sound of things, we may expect more grief from HMRC for unpaid tax ?

Of course we will. Every season for past 12 years we had issues with HMRC. Why would this season be any different.

 

[JAL]

It genuinely sickens me that this hasn't be formally addressed by anyone at the club or anywhere remotely close to the club, including the @Shrimperstrust, month after month, the livelihoods of these staff members are being affected and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. We wanted to change the image of our club after the past few years and we have done that on the footballing front, but for goodness sakes Southend United Football Club, have some respect to the backbone workers of this club that keep it together day in, day out, the image is not improving when this is constantly happening - especially when we have just signed a £2 million deal for new training facilities, albeit a separate company, but still under the same hat and face of SUFC

Address it.

 

[tommy tucker]

Did the 2 millons come from homes england if so that must be part of the 30millon loan for the stadium and training ground .If so it did not come from Rons pocket and the money is ear marked for the stadium alone . Maybe Tom should be involved in the payment of staff .Only a thought .

 

[kentblues]

Why has the is been moved from the Finances section? Has the person who has done it got new information/facts? Who hasn't been paid specifically? Or are the same rumours just to be given more volume creating loads of heat and no light.

Surely we must know who exactly is not being paid?

On the players front it a circular argument- if we don't improve the squad we will be a lot further down the table, smaller gates, less money and more difficult to keep paying everyone. Maybe we do need to cut our cloth in terms of staff numbers but actually I would prefer we improve the squad in the right way, compete for promotion and the attaching revenues ensure we maintain and pay the staff we need.

Anyway who precisely is not being paid?

 

[blueblueblue]

Why is RM getting the blame for this (if true), the last time I heard he's stepped back and we now have a CEO who runs the club. I haven't seen his name mentioned.

 

[NZamba Legend]

Why is RM getting the blame for this (if true), the last time I heard he's stepped back and we now have a CEO who runs the club. I haven't seen his name mentioned.

RM owns the club

 

[Stubb]

Why has the is been moved from the Finances section? Has the person who has done it got new information/facts? Who hasn't been paid specifically? Or are the same rumours just to be given more volume creating loads of heat and no light.

Surely we must know who exactly is not being paid?

On the players front it a circular argument- if we don't improve the squad we will be a lot further down the table, smaller gates, less money and more difficult to keep paying everyone. Maybe we do need to cut our cloth in terms of staff numbers but actually I would prefer we improve the squad in the right way, compete for promotion and the attaching revenues ensure we maintain and pay the staff we need.

Anyway who precisely is not being paid?

Regarding your last sentence.....if I was an employee of SUFC and somebody publicised the fact that I wasn't being paid I would be most unhappy. Please remember that there is such a thing as The General Data Protection Act.

 

[Jmayhew32]

RM owns the club

Just because someone owns 2 share in Barclays, doesn’t make it their responsibility to pay the staff. RM has hired someone to run the football club. If TL has failed his job, RM should sack him n hire a new CEO. Now I haven’t caught up on the whole chat but just the last few entries and I’m not saying for me second that we rid ourselves of TL but that it is really his responsibility to ensure people are paid.

 

[kentblues]

Regarding your last sentence.....if I was an employee of SUFC and somebody publicised the fact that I wasn't being paid I would be most unhappy. Please remember that there is such a thing as The General Data Protection Act.

Well if it was the person themselves they could say I haven’t been paid. If it’s people saying other people haven’t been paid then they don’t need to name individuals? Someone on here has said all staff other than management team and players haven’t been paid? Is that effectively naming people? Maybe the question is what job roles have not been paid? Last time someone said all non management team/paying staff had not been paid a poster went into the ticket office and they said they had been paid?

Anyhow the question has been asked many times without answer so I guess there’s no point keeping asking.

 

[Smiffy]

Why is RM getting the blame for this (if true), the last time I heard he's stepped back and we now have a CEO who runs the club. I haven't seen his name mentioned.

Because he is the one (or his group companies are) meant to be funding the club adequately to meet basic company liabilities such as staff payroll on a timely basis. That’s the first thing you make sure gets sorted, before everything else. That’s basic good and expected practise of any company. Tom can’t pay what’s due if it’s not there. This is not on Toms head at all.

 

[kentblues]

Because he is the one (or his group companies are) meant to be funding the club adequately to meet basic company liabilities such as staff payroll on a timely basis. That’s the first thing you make sure gets sorted, before everything else.

In terms of priority HMRC comes before staff. It would great if it was the other way round as they are certainly they are more deserving..

 

[Smiffy]

In terms of priority HMRC comes before staff. It would great if it was the other way round as they are certainly they are more deserving..

Or you make sure funding is there for both? Again, good practise.

In fact no, funding should be sufficient to meet all liabilities in full and in a timely fashion.

We all get businesses struggle, it happens. But this is hardly a one off.

 

[Medway Blue]

Just because someone owns 2 share in Barclays, doesn’t make it their responsibility to pay the staff. RM has hired someone to run the football club. If TL has failed his job, RM should sack him n hire a new CEO. Now I haven’t caught up on the whole chat but just the last few entries and I’m not saying for me second that we rid ourselves of TL but that it is really his responsibility to ensure people are paid.

What a ridiculously atrocious take.

 

[JAL]

In terms of priority HMRC comes before staff. It would great if it was the other way round as they are certainly they are more deserving..

So you run the risk of being wound up at that point.

Both stupid things to do.

 

[Medway Blue]

Or you make sure funding is there for both? Again, good practise.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Anybody who has been unable to ensure that the funds are there for both for as prolonged a period as Ron Martin, is not a fit and proper owner.

 

[blueblueblue]

Because he is the one (or his group companies are) meant to be funding the club adequately to meet basic company liabilities such as staff payroll on a timely basis. That’s the first thing you make sure gets sorted, before everything else. That’s basic good and expected practise of any company.

You don't know if RM isn't meeting his responsibilities.

When I left the Army I joined Network Rail as a Manager, If I wasn't getting paid, the first person I'd look at for reasons why would be my CEO not the Gov....... The CEO holds the purse strings.

RM seems to be an easy target right now, if this is true.

 

[kentblues]

Or you make sure funding is there for both? Again, good practise.

True and I’m sure advice hundreds of companies going out of business each month would welcome.

Even good businesses with good people fail- I have assisted more than one customer in the past with deferred payments, revised payment schedules so they can stay in business - sometimes I got the money, sometimes I didn’t. They weren’t not paying people because they were incompetent or bad.

 

[Jmayhew32]

What a ridiculously atrocious take.

Agreed but that is the legality and technicality of it all - obviously if there are no funds then TL can’t do much about but with the signing of players and good team building days being publicised and new sponsor partners being announced, I highly doubt that’s the case. People are always quick to slate RM but there must be more to this, or nothing at all.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Tom Lawrence hasn't failed at his job. He came in at a time when the club were well behind in all money situations. Basically owing bundles and too skint to buy some basics to keep the behind the scenes stuff ticking along. I'm told he's made huge improvements across the board, and probably helped save the club. But we are still in deep doo doo. As always since Ron took over, we have been relying on that future pot of gold. But that future pot has not helped years of losing money hand over fist, and Ron's mismanagement of the club, the relegations and the court appearances. The idea is to get to Fossetts, before going under, with hopefully a successful team, and for those in power to make sure everyone is paid what they are owed, and then paid on time.