Should corporal punishishment return?

[graysblue]

So do I. I just don't believe you should have to resort to violence and assault. There are much better ways of instilling discipline. As already asked, (about 2 minutes ago!) why go from one extreme to the other? Surely there's some middle ground?

when i was aged 10 the police caught me on the roof of a building,the coppers took me home and then witnessed my dear old mum beat the granny out of me and i think at one stage the old bill joined in,the lesson i learnt was right from wrong which i have carried forward and passed it on to my kids.

some parents today allow their darlings to run riot which gives these kids the inkling they can continue at school or on the streets.

surely if a serious misbehaving child was given the cane and the childs behaviour altered to become decent.........it has worked,.

 

[fredheim_holm]

I preferred this thread when the older lads told stories from yesteryear :cricko:

 

[Firestorm]

when i was aged 10 the police caught me on the roof of a building,the coppers took me home and then witnessed my dear old mum beat the granny out of me and i think at one stage the old bill joined in,the lesson i learnt was right from wrong which i have carried forward and passed it on to my kids.

some parents today allow their darlings to run riot which gives these kids the inkling they can continue at school or on the streets.

surely if a serious misbehaving child was given the cane and the childs behaviour altered to become decent.........it has worked,.

Or if one child who has been caned sees it as an example that Violence is the answer....it has failed.

Generally things Children see in their everyday life they take as normal behaviour (as an example almost all child abusers (sexual, emotional or violent) were themselves abused as Children).
Violent behavior is no different and if they see exerting violence as a way of instilling authority they will use it when they feel they need to exert authority

 

[toellandback]

I work with the public and sunday we had an incident where a family were verbally abused by a couple of teenagers, they were poking fun at the daughter and being crude when the dad snapped. He grabbed the lad by the neck and swung him round the room. It stopped, later the chav grabbed a pair of scissors and threatend to stab the dad.
Anyhow the police turn up, they can't do anything about the lad (despite knowing him very well) and he knows it. This means the lad has no respect for anyone as he knows teachers, parents and now coppers can't do anything. He is ignorant as anything but knows the law like the back of his hand. He tried to press charges against the dad.
Somewhere along the line someone needs to say no to these kids. The ones causing problems are getting younger and younger.

 

[steveo]

Moreover, where do you draw the line? What do you do with the kid that keeps offending, and the cane doesn't work? Do you hit him harder next time? What about the time after that? Do you stop when you draw blood, or is that just the start? In my opinion there is simply no place in a civilised society for violence of any kind.

So for those that dont smack, what do you do when you tell the kid not to do something and he still does it? Say STOP IT or ill say STOP IT again.

 

[graysblue]

Or if one child who has been caned sees it as an example that Violence is the answer....it has failed.

Generally things Children see in their everyday life they take as normal behaviour (as an example almost all child abusers (sexual, emotional or violent) were themselves abused as Children).
Violent behavior is no different and if they see exerting violence as a way of instilling authority they will use it when they feel they need to exert authority

would you not agree that before the cane was abolished............it worked?


besides we are talking about in school behaviour.

 

[graysblue]

So for those that dont smack, what do you do when you tell the kid not to do something and he still does it? Say STOP IT or ill say STOP IT again.

that about sums it up in a nutshell


i have seen many parents repeat "dont" or "stop it" a zillion times and their little charmers ignore them.

 

[Firestorm]

would you not agree that before the cane was abolished............it worked?


besides we are talking about in school behaviour.

And using Violence to instill authority is not the same as using the cane at scholl ?????

I have just racked my brains to think of those who got caned at school, I could think of 5 cases , one at primary, 4 at secondary. 4 of those 5 have done time since leaving school, all for Violence related offences.

yep it sure works

 

[Nobby Snide]

With my 2 kids, they have never been smacked in temper, and I think once my daughter was smacked on her legs because she ran into the road, however, she was too young to realise right from rong and our reaction was purely out of fear, almost a knee jerk reaction. Rightly or wrongly, she remembered this, and to my knowledge, never did it again. Generally, a good talking to and reasoning with them did the trick.

I am not for child cruelty or bullying, but sometimes, thats all that a parent is left with.

I have seem some horrific sights from mothers at the end of thier patience literally throw thier kids around, and I just hope thier behaviour in public is not just the tip of thier behaviour at home.

I do agree the the cane and/or slipper should be re-introduced to schools, purely as a last resort and only if the child consistantly oversteps the boundries, otherwise if its used to frequently, you need a bigger cane or slipper as the deterrant becomes nulified.

 

[please delete my account]

Morning Chaps,

I think both kids and adults alike should be caned as often as possible.
For a start, it's good fun, it makes people funnier, more attractive and, personally speaking, it improves my driving skills immensely, particularly at high speeds.
Also, as it numbs pain, I find I can punch more ferociously and for longer periods, which comes in handy whenever I go out...

 

[Nobby Snide]

And using Violence to instill authority is not the same as using the cane at scholl ?????

I have just racked my brains to think of those who got caned at school, I could think of 5 cases , one at primary, 4 at secondary. 4 of those 5 have done time since leaving school, all for Violence related offences.

yep it sure works

oh for a crystal ball...?

certainly at my school, I think in hindsight, you could hazard a strong guss at to which ones were going to do time, but I was quite surprised to find a guy serving time for fraud, never got the cane at school.

what does that tell you? You cant stereo type and also, never trust the quiet, clever ones...

Glad that rules me out.

 

[Nobby Snide]

Morning Chaps,

I think both kids and adults alike should be caned as often as possible.
For a start, it's good fun, it makes people funnier, more attractive and, personally speaking, it improves my driving skills immensely, particularly at high speeds.
Also, as it numbs pain, I find I can punch more ferociously and for longer periods, which comes in handy whenever I go out...

but it does leave you significantly poorer after spending you 'hard' earned cash at such clubs as the 'thwack and tickle', 'yes mistress' or 'hurt me hurt me love me'

 

[please delete my account]

but it does leave you significantly poorer after spending you 'hard' earned cash at such clubs as the 'thwack and tickle', 'yes mistress' or 'hurt me hurt me love me'

Sorry Chap, I'm not familiar with these establishments, but having enough cash isn't an issue as there seems to be a profusion of old scrotes bumbling about that I can do over and then rob.

 

[Napster]

Paul would then teach them respect by making them do lines!!!

I'd make them read all of graysblues posts.

 

[graysblue]

I'd make them read all of graysblues posts.

if it helped...........good job done.


better than hunting people down i suppose.

 

[Nobby Snide]

Sorry Chap, I'm not familiar with these establishments, but having enough cash isn't an issue as there seems to be a profusion of old scrotes bumbling about that I can do over and then rob.

You? the Jason King clone having to 'do over old scrotes' for cash...how does that tarnish your image in my eyes..

Life will never be the same again...

 

[please delete my account]

You? the Jason King clone having to 'do over old scrotes' for cash...how does that tarnish your image in my eyes..

Life will never be the same again...

You misunderstand me old boy, I don't 'have' to do them over.
Sometimes I don't even rob them.

There's something rather satisfying about laying out an oldster, especially the frailest of nuns.
I don't know if it's the crunch of fist on withered face, or the satisfying thud as they hit the deck, but I suspect it's because I can incapacitate them with just one blow..

 

[Nobby Snide]

You misunderstand me old boy, I don't 'have' to do them over.
Sometimes I don't even rob them.

There's something rather satisfying about laying out an oldster, especially the frailest of nuns.
I don't know if it's the crunch of fist on withered face, or the satisfying thud as they hit the deck, but I suspect it's because I can incapacitate them with just one blow..

maybe you and Rusty Stickleback should go out together...what an entertaining night that would be.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I assume you meant accelerated?!!

Still no-one has answered this question?

Yes I did, sorry - must have had computers on the brain, most unlike me to make such a basic mistake!

I did touch on drawing the line in one of my posts - not a clue which as there's been so many - but basically, for schools drawing the line should be when the student has reached a certain number of "canings". If we're going to use caning as an "ultimate" punishment, then the theory would be their behaviour has already gone past the traditional detention/missing lunch or morning break times/letters home type stages, so therefore, to me, you'd have something along the 3 strikes and you're out basis. That doesn't mean the caning gets harder so you end up thrashing them, but if the student has been sent for the cane three times, then they go to the pupil referral unit. If they then return and repeat behaviour occurs, then they have to face expulsion or "permanent exclusion", as it seems to be called these days.

That's maybe a little simplistic, but as a work in progress, that's how I'd envisage it operating.

 

[londonblue]

So for those that dont smack, what do you do when you tell the kid not to do something and he still does it? Say STOP IT or ill say STOP IT again.

I think you need some parenting skills.