Should corporal punishishment return?

[osymandus]

Or maybe it will give the impetus to the "bad" kids to get their heads down?

Catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Actually its poo , they did a study flys dont really like either honey for vinegar

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

I agree with this. Although it does seem that as time has gone on, it's the kids in schools that have all the power and the teachers are scared to say or do anything to maintain any sort of control in their classes.

That is where it has all gone wrong........with out a doubt you need to respect the youngsters to gain their respect and visa versa but a lot of them now have it in there heads that nothing or no one can touch them due to the current laws and therefore can pretty much do what they want.

Ant's mate was telling me on Saturday about the 10 year olds that attached his house on trick or treat because he did not give them anything

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Actually its poo , they did a study flys dont really like either honey for vinegar

Now if he had used Dog s**t....he might of been on the right track

:D

 

[graysblue]

the snap shot survey i watched showed 40% of pupils in favour of the return of the cane!!!!

with teachers quitting in droves something must be done to restore the balance ie during school hours EVERY pupil MUST behave and learn.

there should be no exceptions.

 

[Uncle Leo]

the snap shot survey i watched showed 40% of pupils in favour of the return of the cane!!!!

What survey was that? Genuinely curious as to what survey would have 40% of children voting for the cane.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I was undecided when I read the title if corporal punishment was meant for teachers or pupils.

Personally I think we should go one step further and bring back capital punishment in schools that'll stop the ****ers transgressing again, and in one stroke reduce class room sizes to meet government targets.

 

[graysblue]

What survey was that? Genuinely curious as to what survey would have 40% of children voting for the cane.

news item last week,class of 10 students aged 15/16ish with 4 voting yes.

when asked why,they replied "it would be good to keep discipline"

must admit it surprised me as well.

 

[canveyshrimper]

What survey was that? Genuinely curious as to what survey would have 40% of children voting for the cane.

It was carried out by the Junior Flagellation Society of Great Britain, and you will find the results on.

www.paddlemyarse.com

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

news item last week,class of 10 students aged 15/16ish with 4 voting yes.

when asked why,they replied "it would be good to keep discipline"

must admit it surprised me as well.

That's like asking me and MK if we like James Bond and the resulting poll shows 50% of the country like James Bond

:D

 

[Slipperduke]

Violence begets violence. Children think that violence solves things. It doesn't.

I have to pull you up on this one, because it's a misconception that bothers me a lot. Violence solves everything. Society repeatedly proves this to us on a small scale, nasty little bleeders in need of drug money punching old ladies in the face and nicking their handbags with no fear of reprisals, and a grander scale, Iraq. We needed their oil. We took their oil. End of conversation.

Nature weighs in on top of that with the whole survival of the fittest thing being just a nice way of saying, "Eat or be eaten."

Violence is the cause of the problem and violence is the solution. It is how things have always worked. I'm not saying that's a good thing. Far from it, I'm rubbish at violence. Every fight I've ever been in has brought me out in bumps. But it is how things work.

 

[Southend_Lady]

That is where it has all gone wrong........with out a doubt you need to respect the youngsters to gain their respect and visa versa but a lot of them now have it in there heads that nothing or no one can touch them due to the current laws and therefore can pretty much do what they want.

Ant's mate was telling me on Saturday about the 10 year olds that attached his house on trick or treat because he did not give them anything

Well how about this then...
Kids: "Trick or treat!"
Me: "Sorry we dont actually have any sweets"
Rebel looking kid: "its ok - we accept money" - so I gave the little blighters a £1 - between them of course.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Well how about this then...
Kids: "Trick or treat!"
Me: "Sorry we dont actually have any sweets"
Rebel looking kid: "its ok - we accept money" - so I gave the little blighters a £1 - between them of course.

imagine if he pulled out a "Chip and Pin" machine.......and said, "ok Swipe your card love"

 

[osymandus]

Violence begets violence. Children think that violence solves things. It doesn't.

I have to pull you up on this one, because it's a misconception that bothers me a lot. Violence solves everything. Society repeatedly proves this to us on a small scale, nasty little bleeders in need of drug money punching old ladies in the face and nicking their handbags with no fear of reprisals, and a grander scale, Iraq. We needed their oil. We took their oil. End of conversation.

Nature weighs in on top of that with the whole survival of the fittest thing being just a nice way of saying, "Eat or be eaten."

Violence is the cause of the problem and violence is the solution. It is how things have always worked. I'm not saying that's a good thing. Far from it, I'm rubbish at violence. Every fight I've ever been in has brought me out in bumps. But it is how things work.

Well actually no , your just demonstrating how scanvengers survive there , if all the Rabbits in the world turned round one day and said wait a minuite lads we can burrow through clay and them foxes are out numbered a million to one it could get amusing .

Survial of teh fittest is actually a mistranaslation (Darwin never originaly said it it was a contempory French scientist was name eldues me) Its supposed to be survial of the fitter , i.e those at the present time .

The problem with using viloence is you will run into something biger and more vicious or skilled then you are, or run out of food . Its a short term solution but thats it.

 

[steveo]

it was a contempory French scientist was name eldues me)

Cant you find out? Some people may have been interested.

When I was at school, if you misbehaved enough you were sent the Headmaster office, usually at dinner time, to get the cane. He always made victims stand outside the office for half hour or so. All the other kids were arriving or leaving the main hall for dinner, so they all knew what you were there for, which was probably the most humiliating thing, and worse than the cane itself.

 

[londonblue]

A few exceptions! I'm not a sheep!

ps I've lived in West London (Acton, to be precise), Slips, does that count? :)

I don't believe it works, for a number of reasons. Firstly, because it's assault.

It is a fundamental principle of human rights - upheld in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 7 and in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, article 26 - that all are entitled to equal protection of the law without discrimination.

Oh, and there's such a thing as positive discipline

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/your_kids/toddlers_discipline.shtml

Violence begets violence. Children think that violence solves things. It doesn't.

And finally, there is no proof to say it does work. In Singapore, there is a more in-your-face penal system, so I'd imagine people don't want to cross any boundaries. But hitting kids is not on.

Sorry if I'm "politically correct" but if anyone hit my kids I'd hunt them down. And that includes teachers.

100% agree. I wouldn't expect anyone to hit my kids, and that includes teachers. If someone wanted to reprimand them, in a non violent manner, for something they did wrong, then I would fully support them.

 

[Napster]

I think this sums it up perfectly from the New Scientist

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn13671-evolution-myths-survival-of-the-fittest-justifies-everyone-for-themselves.html

 

[Firestorm]

(Darwin never originaly said it it was a contempory French scientist was name eldues me)

English philosopher accourding to Naps' article (Herbert Spencer)

 

[londonblue]

we have all seen many stories where little toerags disrupt the class and are abusive to teachers,when they are excluded from school their parents appeal and the little darlings are back in class doing the same crap again.

the question is,

why allow the tiny minority to ruin things for the majority.

That is all true, but in my opinion assault isn't the answer.

 

[londonblue]

the snap shot survey i watched showed 40% of pupils in favour of the return of the cane!!!!

with teachers quitting in droves something must be done to restore the balance ie during school hours EVERY pupil MUST behave and learn.

there should be no exceptions.

What teachers are quitting in droves? I know a fair few teachers, and not one of them has quit. If they're all quitting in droves I would expect some of the ones I know to have done so...

Once again, please show numbers, not rhetoric.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

That is all true, but in my opinion assault isn't the answer.

When i was 13, i got the cane...or whack as we called it back then, by a teacher called Mr Longhurst who was an X - Mr Universe. They had to call your parents to ask permission which was a problem for Mr Longhurst as he had to call the parents of the entire form tutor for 3SL boys as we all par took in throwing gerbil food at the stand in RE teacher....it was a classic, on the count of 3, 2, 1, from the back of our tutor room which was a science lab, we all threw handfuls of he stuff and it rained down on him like you would not believe.

Getting the cane for that was more like wearing a badge of honour.