Should corporal punishishment return?

[Napster]

Is this going to be one of those rare threads where we are massively in agreement with one another (there's always a few exceptions!)?

A few exceptions! I'm not a sheep!

ps I've lived in West London (Acton, to be precise), Slips, does that count? :)

I don't believe it works, for a number of reasons. Firstly, because it's assault.

It is a fundamental principle of human rights - upheld in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 7 and in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, article 26 - that all are entitled to equal protection of the law without discrimination.

Oh, and there's such a thing as positive discipline

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/your_kids/toddlers_discipline.shtml

Violence begets violence. Children think that violence solves things. It doesn't.

And finally, there is no proof to say it does work. In Singapore, there is a more in-your-face penal system, so I'd imagine people don't want to cross any boundaries. But hitting kids is not on.

Sorry if I'm "politically correct" but if anyone hit my kids I'd hunt them down. And that includes teachers.

 

[Napster]

The cane in schools? Absolutely not.

Police allowed to give a teenage lout the proverbial 'clip round the ear'? Certainly.

Ah now that I agree with.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I'm with Naps. Not all kids are violent, knife wielding hoodies. That's just your stereotypical "popular press" media image.

My missus' son is more grown up, more dedicated to what he wants to be than I ever was at his age (nearly 17). And he has diabetes and has to a) realise that he can't drink like his mates can and b) Regularly inject himself.

My nephew (also 17) used to get up at 6am and travel into London to work on a building site, even not rolling in until 9pm at night - working I hasten to add.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

I feel that a more important question for the folk that agree with corporal punishment....do they see it as a deterrent or a punishment?? A lot of people say that it is a form of deterrent but IMO it is a form of punishment.

 

[graysblue]

we have all seen many stories where little toerags disrupt the class and are abusive to teachers,when they are excluded from school their parents appeal and the little darlings are back in class doing the same crap again.

the question is,

why allow the tiny minority to ruin things for the majority.

 

[MK Shrimper]

why allow the tiny minority to ruin things for the majority.

You can always cancel your Shrimperzone membership GB :D

 

[graysblue]

You can always cancel your Shrimperzone membership GB :D

ouch!!!that cuts


besides i thought i was the life and soul?

 

[Perth Bambi]

I'm with Naps. Not all kids are violent, knife wielding hoodies. That's just your stereotypical "popular press" media image.

My missus' son is more grown up, more dedicated to what he wants to be than I ever was at his age (nearly 17). And he has diabetes and has to a) realise that he can't drink like his mates can and b) Regularly inject himself.

My nephew (also 17) used to get up at 6am and travel into London to work on a building site, even not rolling in until 9pm at night - working I hasten to add.

Well they wouldn't be getting the cane then would they as they are well behaved. No-one is saying that all teenagers are little hoodies chavs who go round stabbing people but unfortunately some are and these are the ones that need a clip round the ear. I don't think anyone said we should go around caning kids willynilly

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

The cane in schools? Absolutely not.

Police allowed to give a teenage lout the proverbial 'clip round the ear'? Certainly.

Last year i saw a teen get caught for shopplifting after a small chase by a passerby,when the police turned up two of them slapped him and then the passerby did,strange to see indeed but very funny.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

ouch!!!that cuts


besides i thought i was the life and assoul?

Don't put your self down like that mate!!!

 

[Perth Bambi]

And, to continue the long list of pros, it's infinitely better than capital punishment because it's rather less permanent.

Unless you're Jesus, then neither of them are permanent.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Well they wouldn't be getting the cane then would they as they are well behaved. No-one is saying that all teenagers are little hoodies chavs who go round stabbing people but unfortunately some are and these are the ones that need a clip round the ear. I don't think anyone said we should go around caning kids willy's

That would be quite extreme Bambi!!!

 

[graysblue]

Don't put your self down like that mate!!!

just noticed my poor spelling/typo


should have been caned a lot more.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Well they wouldn't be getting the cane then would they as they are well behaved. No-one is saying that all teenagers are little hoodies chavs who go round stabbing people but unfortunately some are and these are the ones that need a clip round the ear. I don't think anyone said we should go around caning kids willynilly

Fair point. Punish the bad ones I agree but the whole media image of kids and teenagers are of mindless vandals and yobs where on the whole, I've found the reverse to be true.

 

[MK Shrimper]

should have been caned a lot more.

I'm sure if you ask Rusty nicely he can provide you with a few numbers of ladies that partake.....

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Fair point. Punish the bad ones I agree but the whole media image of kids and teenagers are of mindless vandals and yobs where on the whole, I've found the reverse to be true.

Agreed Paul, but well behaved youngsters don't make good statistics or headlines mate

 

[Southend_Lady]

Fair point. Punish the bad ones I agree but the whole media image of kids and teenagers are of mindless vandals and yobs where on the whole, I've found the reverse to be true.

I agree with this. Although it does seem that as time has gone on, it's the kids in schools that have all the power and the teachers are scared to say or do anything to maintain any sort of control in their classes.

 

[graysblue]

Fair point. Punish the bad ones I agree but the whole media image of kids and teenagers are of mindless vandals and yobs where on the whole, I've found the reverse to be true.

couple of weeks ago watched a news item where the head teacher gives well behaved pupils tokens,once they have collected enough they are able to exchange them for all manner of gifts,bikes ,cd players ect ect.

what a total cop out its bribery,and will allow bullies to steal tokens from the weaker pupils.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Or maybe it will give the impetus to the "bad" kids to get their heads down?

Catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

 

[osymandus]

Intresting one this, i would have to say no . As already stated the impression a developing mind (which what a child is ) will have is that violence does get you through these situations , infact the toe rags we have now are most likley to have been beated or assulted by their parents in the first place .

Yet to contradict that Zen Buddhist monks use a sharp rap to the head as a way to focus the student , so it has its place. In measure .

The golden days some people reflect on were teh 50s and 60s when ex Army or other semi Alpha male types would use extreme discipline for sometimes the most minor of infringments.

That French teahcer had better pray i never met them mind , the child may for instance suffer ADD or other condition (and no i dowt their were studying meditation at the time ;) )