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Read through this thread and I thought I'd add my own personal views.

I believe that religion is a result of the curiosity of the human mind. People want answers and are always looking for reasons behind the ways that the world works. When Christianity was first started nobody had the answers to these questions so some kind of higher form of being was thought up. Nowadays science can prove that we were'nt formed by dust and descended from Adam and Eve, we have evolved from monkeys our adaptions have come through selective mutation.

Look at how scientology has taken off, people like you and I can see that its bollocks but the believers cant. Whos to say in 2000 years people aren't questioning the existance of the mighty scientology ruler.

What Fred keeps saying about top American lawyer accepting it is rubbish too, what if they're christians, they're hardly going to to say its all untrue are they? Religion has a huge part to play in keeping law and order, if someone believes that stealing would mean that they're going to go to hell and burn they're less likely to. I think religion is a way of keeping people's curious nature happy and to keep people in line.

I'll believe when I am shown evidence that there is a god, I'm not going to believe something beccause other people have told me that its true, why should I? If God is real then why doesn't he appear in the sky and speak to everyone?
 
Firestorm said:
The 12 men wrote some of it down, as did many others, then a good couple of years later a number of priests sat down and chose the best bits which served their purpose and put them together.
As for the old testament that had nothing to do with the 12 Men at all (and that does form the larger part of the Bible) although technically as it predates Christ it can not be deemed to be "Christian"
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C C Csiders said:
The one that gets me with this God bloke is that in The Old Testament he is a vindictive, "if I don't get my own way, I'll kill you all", nasty piece of work. He then has a kid, in The New Testament, and suddenly he is an all round good guy, who is love, and who is peace. Why is that?
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MK Shrimper said:
What "overwhelming evidence"? The Bible? Please, that collection of fairy stories is as believable as Harry Potter, just not as entertaining. Much more gory and bloody though, far worse than any Stephen King horror story? God of Love? I think not. God of a nasty, bitter and twisted revenge more like.



How has it been proved? Aren't we forgetting the 80 or so gospels that were written, most of them contradicting each other, that have been carefully ignored by the Christian Church? The Dead Sea Scrolls that show that Jesus is a conglomorate of up to (at least) 3 Jewish trouble makers.

Christianity only became a world wide belief due to it being imposed on people (as Islam before I upset the right-wingers) by the sword. by fear and terror and by the fact that the average life of a common man was so miserable that the "reward" of an eternal life was enough to make them believe.
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MK Shrimper said:
I'll never believe in God and you'll never NOT believe. It's not about closed minds it's that Science and Faith are two polar opposites.
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Fredheim Holm - you have done a fantastic job of arguing the case for Christ - I would give you some green but need to spread it around.
Unfortunately this is a subject on which people are determined to belIeve anything except the truth and IMO the above posts I've quoted demonstrate this - especially the last one which is just so unintentionally funny (sorry, MK).
I used to be an atheist so I think I can understand up to point where some of these people are coming from - but what have you got to lose by opening your minds and considering the possibility that God might exist?
He might not fit your criteria of how God should be, the world may not be how you think it should be if there was God, you might find people who say they believe in God to be fools or obnoxious - but what if in spite of all that God does exist and you've turned your back on Him.
 
Charlie Farnsbarns said:
Fredheim Holm - you have done a fantastic job of arguing the case for Christ - I would give you some green but need to spread it around.
Unfortunately this is a subject on which people are determined to belIeve anything except the truth and IMO the above posts I've quoted demonstrate this - especially the last one which is just so unintentionally funny (sorry, MK).
I used to be an atheist so I think I can understand up to point where some of these people are coming from - but what have you got to lose by opening your minds and considering the possibility that God might exist?
He might not fit your criteria of how God should be, the world may not be how you think it should be if there was God, you might find people who say they believe in God to be fools or obnoxious - but what if in spite of all that God does exist and you've turned your back on Him.
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Until there is empirical evidence to back up the claim I will not believe in some fantastical higher being. And if I've turned my back on him surely this supposed "God of love" will pat me on the head when I cark it, and say, "there, there, never mind. Come into heaven anyway".
 
MK Shrimper said:
Until there is empirical evidence to back up the claim I will not believe in some fantastical higher being. And if I've turned my back on him surely this supposed "God of love" will pat me on the head when I cark it, and say, "there, there, never mind. Come into heaven anyway".
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Depends on the type of sins you'll be asked to repent of! ;)
 
MK Shrimper said:
Until there is empirical evidence to back up the claim I will not believe in some fantastical higher being.

And if I've turned my back on him surely this supposed "God of love" will pat me on the head when I cark it, and say, "there, there, never mind. Come into heaven anyway".
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On your first point, as I said in reply to a previous poster (and not yet got a response) is what you would be prepared to accept as empirical evidence?

On your second point, the answer indicated by the Bible is "No, He won't" - God has demonstrated His love through the sacrifice of His Son - it is down to us in this life to accept that or not and take the consequences in eternity of our choice - not an answer that many people will like but it that is the message of Christianity - the problem with God is that He does not always fit our defintion of how we would like Him to be.
 
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