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[Firestorm]

but I'm sure I've read somewhere that the Bible talks about the big bang somewhere, .

I think its referred to as the immaculate conception.....

 

[fredheim_holm]

By the way, I respect everyones opinions on here.

It's just blind faith that makes me laugh at times because although I know my belief isn't 100% proven, I know there is lots of evidence behind it, and that I know what I believe inside.

I'm not saying I know the answers, I don't at all. I'm kind of admitting I don't know the answers, and looking to a higher source.

I'm not trying to come accross as up my own bum or preaching, just though I may aswell input in the debate (a good debate btw).

 

[Cricko]

Don't you think that we are beginning to understand how the Universe(s) work? We're no longer cavemen living in caves and drawing paintings on walls - we have scientists in Cern creating the very instant that our Universe came into existence...we have some incredible minds who have seen how String Theory unites Einstein's Big Force/Little Force conundrums.

Who's to say that if the human race is still around in another 1000 years that we won't know everything there is to know?

No I disagree infatically...We know nothing IMO ...but are trying very hard to find out.....Science and God ideals will always be at a cross roads....I think most question these things because somewhere inside themselves they know there is more......Black holes are now proven according to some .20 years ago they were a laugh......how come this is the end of learning?

 

[MK Shrimper]

It depends what you mean by proof. If you take proof of court as proof, or as it being very likely that a man killed a woman then you should take it that the resurrection happened, due to overwhelming evidence.

What "overwhelming evidence"? The Bible? Please, that collection of fairy stories is as believable as Harry Potter, just not as entertaining. Much more gory and bloody though, far worse than any Stephen King horror story? God of Love? I think not. God of a nasty, bitter and twisted revenge more like.

I must disagree. It's been proven that all the gospels (the only books you need in the bible for it all to fall down if it was proven wrong) were all written within 60 years of Jesus death. Don't you think that if the disciples were spouting rubbish that the people would laugh them off and it would never have got to a worldwide belief? That's a poorly educated excuse I must admit.

How has it been proved? Aren't we forgetting the 80 or so gospels that were written, most of them contradicting each other, that have been carefully ignored by the Christian Church? The Dead Sea Scrolls that show that Jesus is a conglomorate of up to (at least) 3 Jewish trouble makers.

Christianity only became a world wide belief due to it being imposed on people (as Islam before I upset the right-wingers) by the sword. by fear and terror and by the fact that the average life of a common man was so miserable that the "reward" of an eternal life was enough to make them believe.

 

[fredheim_holm]

Yes there is. Once you are dead you are dead and you cannot bring ANYONE back to life. Once your heart stops and your brain is dead, that's it, goodnight gracie.

Fred, you can't use ancient manuscripts as proof of anything, I'm not going to be convinced by those - find me the "other" evidence and I may consider the theory.

Poor effort. You'd never pass law school. You can't close your mind to options without the options disregarding themselves due to poor evidence etc.

But it's up to you if you want to take an open mind or a closed mind view on it.

 

[C C Csiders]

By the way, I respect everyones opinions on here.

It's just blind faith that makes me laugh at times because although I know my belief isn't 100% proven, I know there is lots of evidence behind it, and that I know what I believe inside.

I'm not saying I know the answers, I don't at all. I'm kind of admitting I don't know the answers, and looking to a higher source.

I'm not trying to come accross as up my own bum or preaching, just though I may aswell input in the debate (a good debate btw).

Have you tried auditioning for Britain's Got Talent? That's some trick.

 

[fredheim_holm]

I can't really argue my perspective when everyone has closed minds. Not much point me having any input here.

 

[A Century United]

Don't you think that we are beginning to understand how the Universe(s) work? We're no longer cavemen living in caves and drawing paintings on walls - we have scientists in Cern creating the very instant that our Universe came into existence...we have some incredible minds who have seen how String Theory unites Einstein's Big Force/Little Force conundrums.

Who's to say that if the human race is still around in another 1000 years that we won't know everything there is to know?

I profoundly disagree, MK. The more scientists investigate, the more we realise we don't know. And String THEORY is just one of many different attempts to underpin a unified field theory, which is a long, long way from uniting anything at the moment - certainly to believe that is relying on faith, not evidence. :whistling:

One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had
come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one
scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.


The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we
no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and
do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."


God listened very patiently to the man. After the scientist was done
talking, God said, "Very well, how about this? Let's say we have a
man-making contest." To which the scientist replied, "Okay, great!"
But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in
the old days with Adam." The scientist said, "Sure, no problem"
and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.


God looked at him and said, "No, no -- you go get your own dirt."

 

[sufcintheprem]

Now to you last question .if you were this God and wanted to see yourself in every cause and effect ....no better place that this world at the moment with all it's troubles.

I think this is a slightly different point. My feeling is that man being created in the image of God was a man-made idea to broaden the appeal of the religion. Whatever God looks like or even whether he has an image at all seems most likely to me to be completely unknown.

 

[Andyhsufc]

I can't really argue my perspective when everyone has closed minds. Not much point me having any input here.

We havent all got closed minds. I dont believe in Christianity but i am still interested in it and its historyetc!

 

[Andyhsufc]

I always think of the inconsistant triad and thats the main reason i dont believe in it

 

[MK Shrimper]

No I disagree infatically...We know nothing IMO ...but are trying very hard to find out.....Science and God ideals will always be at a cross roads....I think most question these things because somewhere inside themselves they know there is more......Black holes are now proven according to some .20 years ago they were a laugh......how come this is the end of learning?

And I disagree. In the last 50 years we have made MASSIVE steps to work out how and why the Universe works like it does.

 

[A Century United]

I can't really argue my perspective when everyone has closed minds. Not much point me having any input here.

Fred, I thought you were arguing well, but you won't necessarily convince people on a subject like this. Everyone tends to have a fixed point of view and it takes a lot to make them change their mind. But it is important to challenge some of the more obvious misconceptions, and I think you did that well.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I can't really argue my perspective when everyone has closed minds. Not much point me having any input here.

I'll never believe in God and you'll never NOT believe. It's not about closed minds it's that Science and Faith are two polar opposites.

 

[Mr. Benedict]

Poor effort. You'd never pass law school. You can't close your mind to options without the options disregarding themselves due to poor evidence etc.

But it's up to you if you want to take an open mind or a closed mind view on it.

I don't want to pass law school Fred. And if you think that people can miraculously revive from the dead then you'll never pass medical school.

I don't have a closed mind if I am provided with decent evidence to the contrary. I have not seen this, so I will not entertain the notion.

 

[Cricko]

And I disagree. In the last 50 years we have made MASSIVE steps to work out how and why the Universe works like it does.

Well that's that sorted then after 2 billion years ;)

 

[MK Shrimper]

I profoundly disagree, MK. The more scientists investigate, the more we realise we don't know. And String THEORY is just one of many different attempts to underpin a unified field theory, which is a long, long way from uniting anything at the moment - certainly to believe that is relying on faith, not evidence. :whistling:

But faith where the numbers add up, unlike the other kind.

 

[OldBlueLady]

People, people, we're all getting a little aereated, let's remember the point I made right at the beginning of this thread.......

"each to his own"

 

[A Century United]

I'll never believe in God and you'll never NOT believe. It's not about closed minds it's that Science and Faith are two polar opposites.

Sorry to disagree again, MK, but there are plenty of very well respected scientists who are also men of faith. They are only polar opposites if you want them to be.

 

[Vange Shrimper]

Jeeze, I come back to this thread and i'm lost.

Anyway, thought we all came from Adam and Eve anyway?!