Ref Watch Refwatch ......... Yeovil (H)

[Mick]

If she's played advantage they don't even get a free kick do they?
Defo doesn't look like she gesticulated she was playing advantage.

Of course she didn't play advantage. I can't see why anyone is suggesting she did. Delaying a whistle a few seconds to see what develops is often sensible.

You have to be very careful playing advantage on a red card offence. If the advantage doesn't work out the player to be dismissed could become further involved in the game and, theoretically, even score a goal (obviously not in the case of a goalkeeper).

 

[Mick]

Ref had a terrible game, was conned so many times, and she fell for it..... why can't we do that when they see the ref react that way?
As for having a female ref, I'm really not sure. The last female ref we had, had an great game, took no crap and sorted poor play out as soon as it started, yesterday was the opposite. The reason I'm not sure about female refs in a male game, is there is extra effort to perform well, to show the doubters what they can achieve, so the pressure is increased.
I would have loved her to have a great game yesterday but we noticed what she was doing wrong, and if it was a man making those decisions yesterday, he would have got the same stick.

You mean the one who had a good match at Maidenhead last season. What was her name? .... ah yes, Abigail Byrne.

 

[Southend Elvis]

You mean the one who had a good match at Maidenhead last season. What was her name? .... ah yes, Abigail Byrne.

She looked different (I'm getting old) how could she have 2 totally opposite games, looked a total novice yesterday

 

[bazzashrimper]

I assume then that the three sides of the ground who remained in their seats to berate her as she left the pitch at half time, me included, got it wrong. She lost control of the game very early on so much so she had to speak to both captains and both managers, unprecedented surely.

She had an awful afternoon, the fact she happens to be a woman is irrelevant.

Agree. She lost control in a game where there was barely a dirty tackle and aside from some diving both sets of players were generally well behaved.

 

[hlane17]

I also used mouthing off as an alternative... there were maybe a couple of reds, certainly not bad over a career, but loads and loads of bookings. I think Kev himself would even acknowledge that as a player he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

If we had even an ounce of bite on the pitch yesterday the officials may have wised up to Yeovil's constant cheating and conning.

I'd sooner have 11 Kev's standing up for themselves than our lads just taking it yesterday.

 

[Shrimper]

The Yeovil manager seemed to indicate Maher got booked for raising his arms which is absurd

 

[Harry Bullocks]

A small point of order, many have commented that the ref had an off day yesterday and a woman shouldn’t be in charge of “a man’s game “……..if it’s a man’s game, why do they fall over at the slightest hint of an contact

 

[Swiss Tony]

A small point of order, many have commented that the ref had an off day yesterday and a woman shouldn’t be in charge of “a man’s game “……..if it’s a man’s game, why do they fall over at the slightest hint of an contact

To cheat.

 

[Liam AAS]

I assume then that the three sides of the ground who remained in their seats to berate her as she left the pitch at half time, me included, got it wrong. She lost control of the game very early on so much so she had to speak to both captains and both managers, unprecedented surely.

She had an awful afternoon, the fact she happens to be a woman is irrelevant.

It's just my opinion. I don't know why she sent Maher off as I was in the west. He was yellow carded, then spoken to, then sent off but I don't know why for any of it. Sending the manager off is a stupid modern rule but she is within her right to do it. I have no idea if it was the correct decision or how much influence the 4th official had over that particular sequence of events.

There wasn't 15 yellows in the game, there wasn't a series of rash or dangerous challenges, there we're no fisticuffs between groups of players. I, personally, have no idea where these allegations of losing control came from.

Jeacock had no business being where he was and deserved to get sent off. Handling the ball outside the area is more basic than bread & butter. We had to play for 60mins with 10 men because of that idiocy and Yeovil were still lucky to win the game.

I have no problem AT ALL with pressurising referees, in fact I think it's one of the few things that the crowd can do to genuinely affect the outcome of the match but in my opinion she was broadly fine and the level of stick she got has been completely out of proportion.

 

[veryoldman]

By that reckoning Taylor should been sent off last week then? Genuine question, he handled the ball before their player hit the bar and the rebound was sent over the south stand.

 

[Hawkwell Blue]

It's just my opinion. I don't know why she sent Maher off as I was in the west. He was yellow carded, then spoken to, then sent off but I don't know why for any of it. Sending the manager off is a stupid modern rule but she is within her right to do it. I have no idea if it was the correct decision or how much influence the 4th official had over that particular sequence of events.

There wasn't 15 yellows in the game, there wasn't a series of rash or dangerous challenges, there we're no fisticuffs between groups of players. I, personally, have no idea where these allegations of losing control came from.

Jeacock had no business being where he was and deserved to get sent off. Handling the ball outside the area is more basic than bread & butter. We had to play for 60mins with 10 men because of that idiocy and Yeovil were still lucky to win the game.

I have no problem AT ALL with pressurising referees, in fact I think it's one of the few things that the crowd can do to genuinely affect the outcome of the match but in my opinion she was broadly fine and the level of stick she got has been completely out of proportion.

Exactly, so why the need to speak to the captains and then managers? The officials seemed to make it about them. Apart from the linesman in front of the East who I think made just the one decision, which was wrong!

Not sure many disagree with the red card though there seems some confusion as she played on.

I appreciate it’s about opinions but there did seem a consensus yesterday that she was too fussy and not very good.

 

[Wingnut]

More like the fourth official trying to get in her pants

 

[Mick]

I take issue with and dispute your point that Kevin Maher always used to use "foul & abusive language to the officials" as a player. From memory I can barely recall any red cards for when playing for us in 383 appearances.

Your memory is a little awry. Sent off about half a dozen times and numerous yellow cards (13 in one season), mostly for dissent.

 

[1966 and all that]

Overall, I wouldn’t say she had a particularly bad game. I think she got most of the on-field marginal decisions right (few refs get every one right). It’s generally agreed the red card was correct and yet people are going on about advantage. Some of those in the East Stand who were applauding Jeacock when he came off perhaps should have been booing him. Maher’s cards had nothing to do with the ref. This was down to the 4th official who, my other half quaintly pointed out, had ‘snitched’ on Maher.

 

[southendkid]

Maybe the laws have changed but I'm not sure where these "she played advantage" claims are coming from. It's common for refs to give it a second to see if an advantage materialises before blowing for a foul, that isn't the same as playing advantage.

Is the confusion because the striker got a weak shot off that was easily cleared before she pulled it back? He clearly wouldn't have made that shot without Jeacock's interference, he was clean through on goal but the foul meant he instead was forced to make a crap shot with his back to goal that was easily cleared. I can't see how that's any different to a foul in the middle of the pitch being pulled back if the fouled team loses the ball a second after play was originally allowed to continue.

 

[Zeuss]

Overall, I wouldn’t say she had a particularly bad game. I think she got most of the on-field marginal decisions right (few refs get every one right). It’s generally agreed the red card was correct and yet people are going on about advantage. Some of those in the East Stand who were applauding Jeacock when he came off perhaps should have been booing him. Maher’s cards had nothing to do with the ref. This was down to the 4th official who, my other half quaintly pointed out, had ‘snitched’ on Maher.

In which case,if she were to have “ a particularly bad game “ it would be abandoned before half-time.
She was so lucky that neither team was very aggressive and ,with the exception of GSM who should have been sent off,showed commendable restraint.

 

[Stuart W]

Actually she'll be at Dagenham, Fourth Officiating West Ham v Leicester in the WSL.
Hopefully she'll do what she has to and stay in the background unlike the excessively "busy" Tommy Breen yesterday who wanted to take centre stage, involving himself whenever he could.

According to the Echo, the fourth official was Jack Willmore.

 

[Mick]

According to the Echo, the fourth official was Jack Willmore.

Do you always believe what you read in the Echo?

Jack Willmore was Fourth Official the previous week against Charlton.

 

[Stuart W]

Do you always believe what you read in the Echo?

Jack Willmore was Fourth Official the previous week against Charlton.

Never said I agreed with it, just stating a fact.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

4th official was just as culpable for f@@king up the game as she was,

Not for a moment disputing that the 4th official was a useless jobsworth (I first become aware of him when he seemed to make subs warming up in lime green tops that looked nothing like the dark green Yeovil tops, change into red bibs) but I’m curious as to how you think his incompetence actually impacted the game?