Ref Watch Refwatch ......... Yeovil (H)

[Holy Joe]

Well I think it was Taylor that had to clear the ball virtually from the goal line while Jeacock was still out of the penalty area so that feels like advantage, I may be wrong

If she's played advantage they don't even get a free kick do they?
Defo doesn't look like she gesticulated she was playing advantage.

 

[Shrimpinator72]

No place for female referees in the mens game, they don't gauge physicality correctly

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Well I think it was Taylor that had to clear the ball virtually from the goal line while Jeacock was still out of the penalty area so that feels like advantage, I may be wrong

This is something I’d like to see again too as play definitely continued after the handball. As he was so far out maybe a yellow would’ve been sufficient, if Yeovil had scored I guess that would’ve been the card shown. Still doesn’t explain what the hell Jeacock was doing out that far.

 

[Zeuss]

No words about this one. Shocking.

We know all too well that most of the referees at this level are clueless buffoons and I think this girl knew the rules and got a lot of decisions right.But while she’d probably be more than ok for women’s and schoolboy football,to ask her to try and control a proper men’s football match …..lunacy !

 

[Jacob Sladder]

The Fourth Official qualified as the newly designated "F-Orff Official" as he was a complete bell-end. Did nothing to contribute to decision making except probably get our Kev (laughably) sent off, but loved directing, primarily, Blues players om where to be or giving a gee-up. We've had female refs before and personally I've found them to be good, excellent on one occasion, and voiced my optimism to me fellow supporters. Sadly, that optimism was more misplaced than Marillion's Childhood (ooh! Prog joke!!) - she was abysmal

 

[southendwill]

Get her out of refereeing for good. Ruined the game and never had control.

Fans are perfectly within our right to abuse those who are simply **** at their job.

That fourth should seek alternative employment too. ********.

 

[Liam AAS]

I genuinely thought she was fine. Given way too much stick.

 

[bazzashrimper]

Our League record against Yeovil couldn’t be more evenly balanced with seven wins apiece and a couple of draws. We have scored 18 goals in those matches; they have scored 18 goals. That record was levelled up by us beating them twice the season before last – the last time we met in the league. We won the match at Roots Hall when Jake Hyde interrupted his spells of injury to score the only goal. Yeovil played the majority of the match with 10 men. Then later that season, in a televised away match, again Jake Hyde scored and we even managed to get Rhys Murphy onto the pitch and scoring. Yeovil played the latter part of the match with 10 men.

Woman in charge on Saturday is 32-year-old Abigail Byrne from Mildenhall, a FIFA Woman Referee, who is one of our top female officials having done the Women’s Cup Final at Wembley and officiated at all the top grounds. She also refereed the 2022/23 Soccer Aid at Old Trafford – not proper football but a good fundraiser for many worthy causes. This will be her second Southend match having refereed our 2-1 win at Maidenhead last season. A strong performance and yellow cards for Bridge and three of theirs. Her only other Southend involvement to date was refereeing our FA Youth Cup defeat at Ipswich during the behind closed doors era. She was also scheduled to be Fourth Official in the ill-fated away match against Wealdstone last season.

She is part of the Elite Referee Development Plan and therefore outside of the normal promotion levels and can be allocated games as the coaches see fit. In men’s football, she has done just two National League matches so far this season and two Football League Trophy matches, the most recent being a couple of days ago at Peterborough. Those four matches have produced 19 yellow cards and no reds. She has recently returned from a couple of weeks in the Dominican Republic refereeing several matches in the U17 Women’s World Cup and she has refereed all the top women’s teams in the UK and in European competitions.

Assistants are Laurentiu Hantea, a service engineer from Biggleswade, and Graham Swanton from Sawbridgeworth, a Head of Quality Assurance for a housing company. Standing by as Fourth Official will be Tommy Breen, from London who works in recruitment.

I thought she was poor today - contact and a fall was given as a foul, which isn’t always the case. Yeovil played to it.

I don’t buy the arguments read on the zone tonight that a woman can’t judge the physicality of men’s football - of course they can. But I do wonder whether she or her coaches are setting her up to fail -
It’s a different game reffing in the men’s league or national league to U17 women’s internationals.

 

[Blues ‘n’ twos]

4th official was just as culpable for f@@king up the game as she was,

 

[OldBlueLady]

The red card for Jeacock was about the only thing she got right. Genuinely dreadful, and aided by a total **** of a 4th official. What's Kev supposed to do for a penalty appeal, stand there like a passionless robot?

 

[fbm]

I guess I see things differently to most on here.

Firstly, the gender of the ref is completely irrelevant. She would not have got to NL level by only reffing women's matches, so the comments about being unused to the physicality of the mens game are ridiculous.

She (rightly) didn't blow after Jeacock handled and if the ball goes in, he stays on the pitch and we have 11 players, albeit 1-0 down. As soon as the ball is cleared off the line, she brings play back and it's a red card. Again, totally correct decision.

If Kev has been mouthing off to the 4th official or using foul and abusive language to the officials in general (if that was the case), then he deserves the card. He's always done it as a player and a manager. It's his main failing. Now I will need some help here, because from the East Blacks it isn't obvious what the 4th official has done to be branded so useless. Obviously people have better views and positions so please enlighten us with what's gone on.

Back to the ref - I felt she got a lot of the decisions right but her delivery of them was dreadful. Way too slow, too fussy and she did miss some obvious "dives" by Yeovil players looking for free kicks. If she books for simulation on the first one, that kills that tactic.

She wasn't great at all, but I've seen worse. And the decisions everyone is moaning about were bang on. I'd rather be questioning what the hell Jeacock was doing rushing out of his goal to a ball he wasn't going to get anywhere near when there were defenders who could have potentially closed the striker down, and why Kev continues to react to the officials in the way that he does (if that's what happened - see caveat above).

The ref was poor, but she didn't cost us the game. Our own players did that.

 

[cerbera45]

If Kev has been mouthing off to the 4th official or using foul and abusive language to the officials in general (if that was the case), then he deserves the card. He's always done it as a player and a manager. It's his main failing. Now I will need some help here, because from the East Blacks it isn't obvious what the 4th official has done to be branded so useless. Obviously people have better views and positions so please enlighten us with what's gone on.

I take issue with and dispute your point that Kevin Maher always used to use "foul & abusive language to the officials" as a player. From memory I can barely recall any red cards for when playing for us in 383 appearances.

 

[fbm]

I take issue with and dispute your point that Kevin Maher always used to use "foul & abusive language to the officials" as a player. From memory I can barely recall any red cards for when playing for us in 383 appearances.

I also used mouthing off as an alternative... there were maybe a couple of reds, certainly not bad over a career, but loads and loads of bookings. I think Kev himself would even acknowledge that as a player he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

 

[dannypav]

The sexist abuse of the ref before the game started was embarrassing but what I've come to expect from largish numbers of our support.
The "hilarious" comments of 'you should be at home cooking the dinner' or 'is it that time of the month' are just a few I can recall.
Each comment met by laughter from the knuckle heads around the comedians.
We have some great supporters but also loads of bigoted idiots who rarely seem to have any idea of the game other than what they see through their 'rose tinted glasses'.

Did I think she had a good game ?
Not really no.
Too many fussy decisions that got worse as she clearly let the crowd , players and management get to her.

But let's look at the big ones.

Jeacock handled the ball outside the area.
It's a RED card - no choice.
( can you imagine the rose tinted lots reaction if it was at the other end and not given ! )

Do you really think she heard anything Maher said or didn't say ?
She was called over by the 4th official and told to issue cards - other than telling her colleague he was wrong , she had little choice.

The Pebble penalty incident near the end of the first half.
I sat in East Greens , so can't be totally sure , but it looked as if the ref got that one right too.

So I'm conclusion I think she got the big calls right but didn't have a great game overall.

My overriding memory of the day though was the abuse being dished out by morons - all very sad.
Just hope the ref enjoys her Sunday roast later - cooked by herself obviously.
I'm actually cooking one for my family- men can you know.

 

[Liam AAS]

The sexist abuse of the ref before the game started was embarrassing but what I've come to expect from largish numbers of our support.
The "hilarious" comments of 'you should be at home cooking the dinner' or 'is it that time of the month' are just a few I can recall.
Each comment met by laughter from the knuckle heads around the comedians.
We have some great supporters but also loads of bigoted idiots who rarely seem to have any idea of the game other than what they see through their 'rose tinted glasses'.

Did I think she had a good game ?
Not really no.
Too many fussy decisions that got worse as she clearly let the crowd , players and management get to her.

But let's look at the big ones.

Jeacock handled the ball outside the area.
It's a RED card - no choice.
( can you imagine the rose tinted lots reaction if it was at the other end and not given ! )

Do you really think she heard anything Maher said or didn't say ?
She was called over by the 4th official and told to issue cards - other than telling her colleague he was wrong , she had little choice.

The Pebble penalty incident near the end of the first half.
I sat in East Greens , so can't be totally sure , but it looked as if the ref got that one right too.

So I'm conclusion I think she got the big calls right but didn't have a great game overall.

My overriding memory of the day though was the abuse being dished out by morons - all very sad.
Just hope the ref enjoys her Sunday roast later - cooked by herself obviously.
I'm actually cooking one for my family- men can you know.

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[Hawkwell Blue]

I genuinely thought she was fine. Given way too much stick.

I assume then that the three sides of the ground who remained in their seats to berate her as she left the pitch at half time, me included, got it wrong. She lost control of the game very early on so much so she had to speak to both captains and both managers, unprecedented surely.

She had an awful afternoon, the fact she happens to be a woman is irrelevant.

 

[veryoldman]

The sexist abuse of the ref before the game started was embarrassing but what I've come to expect from largish numbers of our support.
The "hilarious" comments of 'you should be at home cooking the dinner' or 'is it that time of the month' are just a few I can recall.
Each comment met by laughter from the knuckle heads around the comedians.
We have some great supporters but also loads of bigoted idiots who rarely seem to have any idea of the game other than what they see through their 'rose tinted glasses'.

Did I think she had a good game ?
Not really no.
Too many fussy decisions that got worse as she clearly let the crowd , players and management get to her.

But let's look at the big ones.

Jeacock handled the ball outside the area.
It's a RED card - no choice.
( can you imagine the rose tinted lots reaction if it was at the other end and not given ! )

Do you really think she heard anything Maher said or didn't say ?
She was called over by the 4th official and told to issue cards - other than telling her colleague he was wrong , she had little choice.

The Pebble penalty incident near the end of the first half.
I sat in East Greens , so can't be totally sure , but it looked as if the ref got that one right too.

So I'm conclusion I think she got the big calls right but didn't have a great game overall.

My overriding memory of the day though was the abuse being dished out by morons - all very sad.
Just hope the ref enjoys her Sunday roast later - cooked by herself obviously.
I'm actually cooking one for my family- men can you know.

She is in charge, she had the cards and whistle and no one else is responsible for what she did.

The red card was, in the laws of the game, wrong. She allowed play on and only blew once the goal scoring opportunity had been missed. The yeovil players only asked for the decision after the goal line clearance. And in the first half especially, she gave it.

you have to consider, had they scored she would not have disallowed it? No, so the sending off was a case of double jeopardy. Which is unfair as much as it is incorrect by the laws.

I suspect, with Maher, she let the 4th official make decisions for her. She would have briefed her assistants beforehand so must have been her instruction. Prejudged given Mahers recent record? We will never know.

Overall, not a performance what you expect from someone who is on an elite referees scheme. I suppose this prompts the question, has she been selected on ability or gender? I suspect the former however is it a fair question after yesterday. I suspect she just had a very bad day at the office!

We all have off days and there is no place here for misogyny.

 

[Barling Magna]

The red card was, in the laws of the game, wrong. She allowed play on

Watching on the live stream I didn't think that she allowed play to go on. Even if she did Jeacock deserved the red card for being an utter pillock.

If our keeper had done that in the pub teams I used to play in many, many years ago he'd have been kicked off the pitch by our own lads. Not by me, (I'm a man of peace with a cool haircut trying to impress my girlfriend on the touchline) but by Big Brad and Dangerous Dave among others of my team mates. That's what you got for being a pillock - now it's just a red card and many of our fans applauding you off the pitch for ph ucking up our whole match.

 

[Southend Elvis]

Ref had a terrible game, was conned so many times, and she fell for it..... why can't we do that when they see the ref react that way?
As for having a female ref, I'm really not sure. The last female ref we had, had an great game, took no crap and sorted poor play out as soon as it started, yesterday was the opposite. The reason I'm not sure about female refs in a male game, is there is extra effort to perform well, to show the doubters what they can achieve, so the pressure is increased.
I would have loved her to have a great game yesterday but we noticed what she was doing wrong, and if it was a man making those decisions yesterday, he would have got the same stick.

 

[Mick]

Just hope the ref enjoys her Sunday roast later - cooked by herself obviously.
I'm actually cooking one for my family- men can you know.

Actually she'll be at Dagenham, Fourth Officiating West Ham v Leicester in the WSL.
Hopefully she'll do what she has to and stay in the background unlike the excessively "busy" Tommy Breen yesterday who wanted to take centre stage, involving himself whenever he could.