Protest for the Derby Friendly

[Kent Shrimper]

This is the point though Mick. The money HE had. Not WE. We might be supporters and we might pay to go and watch but that doesn't mean we benefit financially. Ron is entitled to do whatever he wants with whatever money the club generates. So I say again anyone who isn't happy is fully entitled to make Ron an offer and buy him out, but of course none of the complainants have got the money. Is that their fault?

Your right he is entitled to do what he wants with it, thus the late payment of HMRC, Staff, Players, management and Suppliers. I think the fundamental problem is that some people feel that there is nothing that can be done but get behind the team as Ron is here to stay, others feel that they need to get there point across to Ron as they also know he is here to stay but want to try and make him realise that they cannot stand by and watch. We are all different people, which makes the world a better place, lets be honest if we were all the same then there would be 10,000 Flags inside Roots Hall on a match day.

I personally cannot get enthused about the Positives as Roots Hall at the moment, because of Ron Martin. I dont know how i am going to get over it. Maybe i wont, and im afraid whilst there is a forum that lets me have an opinion i will.

I just hope that as the people who dont want to see a protest and feel that the best course of action is to support Sturrock, respect the wishes of those who do want to protest and for whatever reason they want to protest. Im sure as well as the people who go and shout outside Roots Hall many more will be writing to the Echo, Ron, Sainsburys, etc. Ron Martin has severely mismanaged OUR football club and continues to promise things he cannot deliver, I also honestly don't know the answer to the problem. I know there isnt a knight in shining armour but the way he contines to treat people isn't on but again he has the majority share so he can **** on who he likes.

I will also admit i don't understand Pboreham, Beefy, DaveWebbsBrain, yours and others who just want to get on with it, i respect your decisions but cannot get it through my thick head. I hate negativity, but RM has completely battered me on this one. Im stumped and feel ****. For the first time in 30 years, i dont feel like i have a football club to support.

 

[tommy tucker]

There is one thing most of you have overlooked .It is well documented that Sainsburys has been keeping the club afloat .Now lets say aug the 2nd in the high court the tax man get his way and puts Southend united into administation .Will the blue knights deal with the administator who would be put in place to look after the clubs affairs .Or mores the point will Sainsburys play ball as they seem to have more than a small slice of rootshall in the money they have given Ron as a loan .

 

[EastStandBlue]

Actually Beefy, I think the bigger problem is people are willing to believe anything that they're told.

And in the same vein, others don't believe anything they're told. They call out for a release from the club and, when it comes, label it as bollocks, lies and spin before castigating it some more.

 

[Cricko]

Your right he is entitled to do what he wants with it, thus the late payment of HMRC, Staff, Players, management and Suppliers. I think the fundamental problem is that some people feel that there is nothing that can be done but get behind the team as Ron is here to stay, others feel that they need to get there point across to Ron as they also know he is here to stay but want to try and make him realise that they cannot stand by and watch. We are all different people, which makes the world a better place, lets be honest if we were all the same then there would be 10,000 of Jacks Flags inside Roots Hall on a match day.


I personally cannot get enthused about the Positives as Roots Hall at the moment, because of Ron Martin. I dont know how i am going to get over it. Maybe i wont, and im afraid whilst there is a forum that lets me have an opinion i will.

I just hop that as the people who dont want to see a protest and feel that the best course of action is to support Sturrock, respect the wishes of those who do want to protest and for whatever reason they want to protest. Im sure as well as the people who go and shout outside Roots Hall many more will be writing to the Echo, Ron, Sainsburys, etc. Ron Martin has severely mismanaged OUR football club and continues to promise things he cannot deliver, I also honestly don't know the answer to the problem. I know there isnt a knight in shining armour but the way he contines to treat people isn't on but again he has the majority share so he can **** on who he likes.

I will also admit i don't understand Pboreham, Beefy, DaveWebbsBrain, yours and others who just want to get on with it, i respect your decisions but cannot get it through my thick head. I hate negativity, but RM has completely battered me on this one. Im stumped and feel ****. For the first time in 30 years, i dont feel like i have a football club to support.

Completely agree with you Andy..that is exactly how I feel...let's hope Jack sorts the Flags.;)

 

[steveo]

Again fair points KS but in what way has he mismaged it? Giving Tilly money to spend on players who simply were not good enough? Not really his fault. Attempting to build a new stadium? It's only what the fans wanted.
If Ron was taking bucket loads of money from the football club to support his other interests then I would agree, but if you look at the financial state of his other firms, none of them are doing too well.

If we are totally honest getting into the Championship was a massive over achievement. Trying to stay there may prove to be the root of e current problems.

 

[Mick]

Argh! How many more times?

The money went on overpayment of wages. Was that rons fault? Yes, he admitted it was partly his fault.

Did the fans call for the club to spend? Yes, it's what we do.

Perhaps we will think twice in future.

All of it ? I don't think so.

 

[Mick]

This is the point though Mick. The money HE had. Not WE. We might be supporters and we might pay to go and watch but that doesn't mean we benefit financially. Ron is entitled to do whatever he wants with whatever money the club generates. So I say again anyone who isn't happy is fully entitled to make Ron an offer and buy him out, but of course none of the complainants have got the money. Is that their fault?

He is required to act within the bounds of propriety. Time will tell whether he has.

 

[A Century United]

All of it ? I don't think so.

Mick, I respect your opinions and your knowledge of football, but on this issue all you do is post insinuations. Beefy, Firestorm, and others have looked over the accounts, have compared us to other clubs, and can find no evidence of any impropriety. If there has been impropriety, then I am as keen as anyone for it to be detected, publicised, and the culprit brought to book - but where is your evidence?

And I mean evidence, I don't mean back-of-a-fag-packet calculations combined with a gut feeling that there should be more money somewhere.

 

[bucket&spade.f.c]

Your right he is entitled to do what he wants with it, thus the late payment of HMRC, Staff, Players, management and Suppliers. I think the fundamental problem is that some people feel that there is nothing that can be done but get behind the team as Ron is here to stay, others feel that they need to get there point across to Ron as they also know he is here to stay but want to try and make him realise that they cannot stand by and watch. We are all different people, which makes the world a better place, lets be honest if we were all the same then there would be 10,000 Flags inside Roots Hall on a match day.

I personally cannot get enthused about the Positives as Roots Hall at the moment, because of Ron Martin. I dont know how i am going to get over it. Maybe i wont, and im afraid whilst there is a forum that lets me have an opinion i will.

I just hope that as the people who dont want to see a protest and feel that the best course of action is to support Sturrock, respect the wishes of those who do want to protest and for whatever reason they want to protest. Im sure as well as the people who go and shout outside Roots Hall many more will be writing to the Echo, Ron, Sainsburys, etc. Ron Martin has severely mismanaged OUR football club and continues to promise things he cannot deliver, I also honestly don't know the answer to the problem. I know there isnt a knight in shining armour but the way he contines to treat people isn't on but again he has the majority share so he can **** on who he likes.

I will also admit i don't understand Pboreham, Beefy, DaveWebbsBrain, yours and others who just want to get on with it, i respect your decisions but cannot get it through my thick head. I hate negativity, but RM has completely battered me on this one. Im stumped and feel ****. For the first time in 30 years, i dont feel like i have a football club to support.

I can understand what they mean but wanting to get on with things as i sot of feel the same, we got the change the club needed new faces and hopefuly we have even more new face and fresh blood but doesnt change how i feel about the so called chairman.

And am glad people havent just brushed the chairman shambles under the carpet like last time, and held there ground with tomorrow night protest.

but going forward with the club we all love we NEED to get behind the players as this is going to be one hell of hard season and with 90% new squad they need backing.

As much as Tilson done well at SUFC his wounderland is over and we need to move on from him and back sturrock or who every else may take over at the helm.

so save your pennys and get to as many games as poss and back the blues

 

[Beefy]

Actually Beefy, I think the bigger problem is people are willing to believe anything that they're told.

True, which is why it's so important that what they are told is the truth. And that applies to both the Club and to us as supporters.

 

[Supershrimper]

I'm going to support the club, and watch the new players we may or may not sign come the embargo being possibly lifted in a couple of weeks time.

Shouting for Martin to go is going to be no good. People may thing he is a asset stripping the club and so on, but lets face it, if he left or was forced out and someone came in, the ground is owned by his companies, the new ground is owned by his companies. Ron Martin is a part of this football club whether people like it or not. Unless someone comes up on the EuroMillions and wins more cash than you can shake your fist at (and god I do pray that I do) we have to live with him. We may not like him, we may not like the way he has treated Tilson but he is the one keeping this club going along with the fans.

Fans alone can't keep the football club going, the chairman on his own can't keep it going. Its going to be a give and take situation. I do believe that the new stadium will be built (building work to begin soon I hear) and this WILL generate extra revenue. Yes it will line Rons pockets with the odd million or so, but Southend will do pretty well out of it as well.

Up the Blues

 

[Mick]

Mick, I respect your opinions and your knowledge of football, but on this issue all you do is post insinuations. Beefy, Firestorm, and others have looked over the accounts, have compared us to other clubs, and can find no evidence of any impropriety. If there has been impropriety, then I am as keen as anyone for it to be detected, publicised, and the culprit brought to book - but where is your evidence?

And I mean evidence, I don't mean back-of-a-fag-packet calculations combined with a gut feeling that there should be more money somewhere.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. I do not think that all of our windfalls combined with the better than average gate money could have been squandered on the very average bunch of players that have been representing our club of late. If it has, that is, in itself, damning enough.

I'm not insinuating anything. To me, and I'm sure others, it doesn't add up. Maybe it is a gut feeling.

I really do admire your ability to have faith in Ron Martin after all he has done recently. Perhaps you could tell us what he has done that gives you the confidence you appear to have in him.

 

[Mick]

Fans alone can't keep the football club going, the chairman on his own can't keep it going. Its going to be a give and take situation. I do believe that the new stadium will be built (building work to begin soon I hear) and this WILL generate extra revenue. Yes it will line Rons pockets with the odd million or so, but Southend will do pretty well out of it as well.

Up the Blues

Give and take. We give ...... who takes ???

Why will Southend do pretty well out of it ? How will the club benefit from the new stadium ?

Not saying we won't. Just don't know for sure.

 

[Beefy]

I have said it before and I'll say it again. I do not think that all of our windfalls combined with the better than average gate money could have been squandered on the very average bunch of players that have been representing our club of late. If it has, that is, in itself, damning enough.

I'm not insinuating anything. To me, and I'm sure others, it doesn't add up. Maybe it is a gut feeling.

I really do admire your ability to have faith in Ron Martin after all he has done recently. Perhaps you could tell us what he has done that gives you the confidence you appear to have in him.

I just don't see how you don't think it add up. This isn't a Southend United issue. It's an issue that's being seen up and down the country. More than 50 Clubs have taken Administration in the past 13 years. Even the year where we got most of those windfalls that you're talking about (sale of Eastwood, Man United, two trips to Spurs and Championship TV money) we barely broke even.

Colchester announced last week an operating loss of £4.7m in the last financial year. At our worst our losses were a fraction of that. The difference is that they are owned by someone with big enough pockets to cover that loss. We're owned by someone who was able to cover our losses when he signed the contracts but whose ability to cover those losses and honour those contracts has been destroyed by the collapse of the property and banking markets and the delays of the new stadium.

 

[A Century United]

I have said it before and I'll say it again. I do not think that all of our windfalls combined with the better than average gate money could have been squandered on the very average bunch of players that have been representing our club of late. If it has, that is, in itself, damning enough.

I'm not insinuating anything. To me, and I'm sure others, it doesn't add up. Maybe it is a gut feeling.

I really do admire your ability to have faith in Ron Martin after all he has done recently. Perhaps you could tell us what he has done that gives you the confidence you appear to have in him.

You clearly don't read a word I post if that is what you think Mick. I don't have faith in Ron, I simply think that at the moment there is no credible alternative - there is a world of difference. And when things like the club's finances are discussed I tend to give more weight to carefully thought out and researched posts than ones that simply make quite serious allegations without putting up any evidence to back them up.

I am well aware of the serious situation our club is in, and I think it's important to keep a calm perspective on exactly what has gone wrong - it helps you make better decisions on what to do about it, and saves you a lot of unecessary stress. There are one or two posters on here who seem to get so despairing and despondent at the slightest hint of bad news that I'm suprised they haven't topped themselves by now.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Argh! How many more times?

The money went on overpayment of wages.

Sorry to quote you directly but you (& two certain other people who appear to be blindly fighting from the same corner), need to consider the "management fee" debacle. On the one hand you have people analysing the accounts and saying X amount has been paid in management fees, you then have Chris Phillips and the Echo stating these fees were in the region of at least £60k per year. This is offset by Our Glorious Leader stating, on more than one occasion he had not taken a penny out of the football club.

That's even before we get into the £72k debt to Deloittes for assisting with the retail park feasibility study, come on then Market Analysts, tell me just exactly why SOUTHEND UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB and not the project managers, eg Martin Dawn plc should pay for this expense?

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

True, which is why it's so important that what they are told is the truth. And that applies to both the Club and to us as supporters.

And tell me PLEASE, when is this ACTUALLY going to happen?
Because with the current regime you will be waiting an awfully long time...

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Giving Tilly money to spend on players who simply were not good enough?

Sorry Steveo, I normally agree with an awful lot of what you have to say but if you knew the strict sanctions that Tilson was working under right until his dismissal then you'd understand the dross we put out on the field last season wasn't entirely Steve's fault!

Oh and this isn't conjecture or speculation before anybody cares to cry wolf...

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Sorry to quote you directly but you (& two certain other people who appear to be blindly fighting from the same corner), need to consider the "management fee" debacle. On the one hand you have people analysing the accounts and saying X amount has been paid in management fees, you then have Chris Phillips and the Echo stating these fees were in the region of at least £60k per year. This is offset by Our Glorious Leader stating, on more than one occasion he had not taken a penny out of the football club.

That's even before we get into the £72k debt to Deloittes for assisting with the retail park feasibility study, come on then Market Analysts, tell me just exactly why SOUTHEND UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB and not the project managers, eg Martin Dawn plc should pay for this expense?

You're talking sense to me Glasgow.
Lets see if anyone answers these points. At the moment, it's just swept under the carpet.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

You're talking sense to me Glasgow.
Lets see if anyone answers these points. At the moment, it's just swept under the carpet.

Cheers mate!
Depends if today is "Blinkers Off" Monday...
I am guessing with the three individuals who keep taking me to task for chipping away at Ron MarSpin, it won't be though!