Protest for the Derby Friendly

[philtalkin]

The consortium have attempted to sit down with RM, but he didn't want to know. If they are to take control of the club they will have to buy it from Sainsburys or wait until it is in Administration and try for it then.

They first offer they made, did not reflect the value of the land they wanted as part of the deal (remember the consortium are first and foremost property developers / business men) and now the involvement and investment of Sainsburys has made it more difficult for them to conclude a deal anyway.

I think if Ron would have received a realistic offer, he would have met with them. It still isn't too late but, I think the consortium are happier for the club to go into administration and then pick it up on the cheap, rather than paying the market value now. Real fans would do anything possible to stop the club getting a 10 point deduction....

 

[turkishm]

Imo Sainsburys might be playing a waiting game with Martin, they can clearly see he doesnt have the cash to run a football club, and giving lones secured or otherwise, they are bit by bit taking the club of him. If he last another 3 months i will be surprised. That might mean admin a third of the way through the season,not a good thing, but be rid of this chairman, imo worth while.

 

[Beefy]

If you've got an issue with me, take it off the main boards & I am happy to discuss elsewhere.
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Apparently what you meant was "take it off the main board & I am happy to post it back onto the main boards".

 

[Jam_Man]

Imo Sainsburys might be playing a waiting game with Martin, they can clearly see he doesnt have the cash to run a football club, and giving lones secured or otherwise, they are bit by bit taking the club of him. If he last another 3 months i will be surprised. That might mean admin a third of the way through the season,not a good thing, but be rid of this chairman, imo worth while.

Why would they want a football club?

They already have everything they want, they just want us off the site, buying the club would be their last resort.

 

[Jam_Man]

Imo Sainsburys might be playing a waiting game with Martin, they can clearly see he doesnt have the cash to run a football club, and giving lones secured or otherwise, they are bit by bit taking the club of him. If he last another 3 months i will be surprised. That might mean admin a third of the way through the season,not a good thing, but be rid of this chairman, imo worth while.

Admin wont guarantee getting rid of Ron Martin, and even if SUFC goes into admin he will still own the stadium. The consortium dont want to just own the club...

 

[Maidstone Shrimper]

Wading through this thread, it’s clear we’re all united in wanting the best for our club but bitterly divided over how to achieve it. In the immediate future there is only one thing that will help and that is getting enough players together to be able to put out a team at the start of the season. Otherwise, no club. That means Sturrock and his men must stay and for that to happen Ron Martin must stay for now. A protest can only jeopardise that. It’s dead easy to support a team when everything is rosy but right now our club, our team need our support more than ever and to turn our backs on them as some suggest would be totally counter productive. I am as angry as anyone that Ron Martin has brought the team I’ve supported for 50 years to the verge of extinction. I’m dismayed that the only alternative at the moment is a consortium waiting to pick over the bones of the club once it’s gone into administration and that is led by someone who brought the club to the verge of extinction in the 1980’s. So I think turning up to watch the team and showing your support for them is the best course of action. We need those players and we need them to do well. Ron’s no fool and will know it’s not support for him. If you want to express your anger to Ron Martin do what I will do and write a letter. That way your views will come across clearly and not be submerged in a torrent of abuse that could easily send out the wrong message to the new players and manager.

 

[A Century United]

Wading through this thread, it’s clear we’re all united in wanting the best for our club but bitterly divided over how to achieve it. In the immediate future there is only one thing that will help and that is getting enough players together to be able to put out a team at the start of the season. Otherwise, no club. That means Sturrock and his men must stay and for that to happen Ron Martin must stay for now. A protest can only jeopardise that. It’s dead easy to support a team when everything is rosy but right now our club, our team need our support more than ever and to turn our backs on them as some suggest would be totally counter productive. I am as angry as anyone that Ron Martin has brought the team I’ve supported for 50 years to the verge of extinction. I’m dismayed that the only alternative at the moment is a consortium waiting to pick over the bones of the club once it’s gone into administration and that is led by someone who brought the club to the verge of extinction in the 1980’s. So I think turning up to watch the team and showing your support for them is the best course of action. We need those players and we need them to do well. Ron’s no fool and will know it’s not support for him. If you want to express your anger to Ron Martin do what I will do and write a letter. That way your views will come across clearly and not be submerged in a torrent of abuse that could easily send out the wrong message to the new players and manager.

Can't argue with any of that.

 

[Homer]

Admin wont guarantee getting rid of Ron Martin, and even if SUFC goes into admin he will still own the stadium. The consortium dont want to just own the club...

totally agree with your post if we went down the road of administration and the consortium stepped in and purchased the club for a nominal fee, how much more of there money will be wasted in legal challenges to try and gain little bits of the club spread around in RM companies

and when this has been done how much money will they have left in the kitty to run the club me thinks not much because despite what is written in our local paper they are worth £150 m reported thats not hard cash as everbody seems to think

 

[steveo]

Because we shouldn't be in the mess we're in.

We shouldn't have a new manager and need to bring in new players.

We shouldn't have winding up orders issued against us.

We should be able to pay our players on time.

We should be able to pay creditors on time.

We shouldn't be constrained by a transfer embargo.

Enough reasons for you?

So you post is based on all should and shouldnts which if Ron had the money would be fine. However he doesn't have the money. Is that his fault?

I get fed up with people blaming Ron for not having money. Why don't you lend it to him? Don't tell me - you haven't got it. So it's as much your fault as his.

 

[Mick]

So you post is based on all should and shouldnts which if Ron had the money would be fine. However he doesn't have the money. Is that his fault?

I get fed up with people blaming Ron for not having money. Why don't you lend it to him? Don't tell me - you haven't got it. So it's as much your fault as his.

I think the issue might be more to do with what happened to the money he/we had; its use and abuse. So yes, it is his fault.

 

[palexander]

I think the issue might be more to do with what happened to the money he/we had; its use and abuse. So yes, it is his fault.

Argh! How many more times?

The money went on overpayment of wages. Was that rons fault? Yes, he admitted it was partly his fault.

Did the fans call for the club to spend? Yes, it's what we do.

Perhaps we will think twice in future.

 

[Beefy]

I think the issue might be more to do with what happened to the money he/we had; its use and abuse. So yes, it is his fault.

I think the problem is more to do with what people think happened to the money he/we had because they're unwilling to accept that a football club is a fundamentally woeful business.

We played Man United at home four years ago, don't you know?

 

[EastStandBlue]

Argh! How many more times?

The money went on overpayment of wages. Was that rons fault? Yes, he admitted it was partly his fault.

Did the fans call for the club to spend? Yes, it's what we do.

Perhaps we will think twice in future.

Fourteen...

 

[steveo]

I think the issue might be more to do with what happened to the money he/we had; its use and abuse. So yes, it is his fault.

This is the point though Mick. The money HE had. Not WE. We might be supporters and we might pay to go and watch but that doesn't mean we benefit financially. Ron is entitled to do whatever he wants with whatever money the club generates. So I say again anyone who isn't happy is fully entitled to make Ron an offer and buy him out, but of course none of the complainants have got the money. Is that their fault?

 

[GBJ]

So you post is based on all should and shouldnts which if Ron had the money would be fine. However he doesn't have the money. Is that his fault?

I get fed up with people blaming Ron for not having money. Why don't you lend it to him? Don't tell me - you haven't got it. So it's as much your fault as his.

OK, fair play Steveo, but answer me this, at what point will it be time to blame RM?

If he doesn't have the money, why doesn't he step aside and let someone (with money) come in and have a crack? The club have been, and still are, close to going out of business. We're in turmoil. I fail to see how it can get worse, apart from actually being wound-up, and if you're saying Ron hasn't got the money, then surely as a SUFC fan, you should be calling for action aswell? I fail to see how and why we, as fans, should trust Ron to get us out of this mess, when he's (arguably) responsible for us being in it in the first place.

It's like if some dodgy plasterer came round your house, done up your bathroom, but had done a **** poor job, would you trust the same person to put it right?

The reason Ron won't step aside is because he doesn't want to give up a slice of his pie, which is a very worrying predicament. Would Ron let the club go out of business just to keep his dream alive? I don't know the answer, but i've got a bad feeling.

 

[GBJ]

Argh! How many more times?

The money went on overpayment of wages. Was that rons fault? Yes, he admitted it was partly his fault.

Did the fans call for the club to spend? Yes, it's what we do.

Perhaps we will think twice in future.

Whilst i've said for ages about our high wages (whereas back then some people were claiming our highest wage earner was on 2k, pffft), I fail to believe that ALL of that money went on wages.

Secondly, maybe as fans it's our fault for calling for signings, but at the end of the day we're not the people running the club. It's not our duty to make sure it operates smoothly

 

[GBJ]

I think the problem is more to do with what people think happened to the money he/we had because they're unwilling to accept that a football club is a fundamentally woeful business.

We played Man United at home four years ago, don't you know?

Actually Beefy, I think the bigger problem is people are willing to believe anything that they're told.

 

[steveo]

OK, fair play Steveo, but answer me this, at what point will it be time to blame RM?

If he doesn't have the money, why doesn't he step aside and let someone (with money) come in and have a crack? .

Good point gbj but is that person out there? I would love to se an Abramovic take over but there are plenty of more attractive propositions than Southend.
Making money from a football club is very rare these days especially if you want to win anything

 

[GBJ]

Good point gbj but is that person out there? I would love to se an Abramovic take over but there are plenty of more attractive propositions than Southend.
Making money from a football club is very rare these days especially if you want to win anything

Well as far as we're aware the 'Consortium' are waiting (whether that's a good thing is too early to say), but being totally honest I don't think it'd matter if there was a long line of prospective successors just waiting to do a deal. Ron is in this for the long haul. I could be wrong, but I don't believe Ron is interested in financial help/selling up.

That fact alone makes this a very worrying predicament

 

[philtalkin]

It's like if some dodgy plasterer came round your house, done up your bathroom, but had done a **** poor job, would you trust the same person to put it right?

I told you I would sort it in the morning, now give it a rest!

Seriously though, the problem here, using your analogy, is that there seems to be only one plasterer in town at the moment, so we have to rely on him to sort out the mess he caused.

And don't get me started on plumbers!