Question Moncur & Bonne...time to cut our losses and get rid?!?

[bazzashrimper]

I think I'd move away from calling them "desperation" signings. If were that desperate, I'm sure there were plenty of other options available.

I think they were more" calculated risks", in that they have shown qualities in the past that the management team appreciate but have since lost their way a bit, and in the absence of much better and affordable being available, took the risk on them rediscovering some of that previous form.

However, probably no getting away from the probablity that we'd have signed neither, had the summer transfer plans been able to come to fruition.

And this is why Maher should get a proper summer window IMO

 

[rlb999]

And this is why Maher should get a proper summer window IMO

And I think he will.
We'll find some form at some point like last season, and finish with a late (but ultimately unsuccessful) playoff push.
Unless we're at genuine threat of relegation - which we shouldn't be with this squad and in this league - I can't see the owners pressing the button any time soon.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

And I think he will.
We'll find some form at some point like last season, and finish with a late (but ultimately unsuccessful) playoff push.
Unless we're at genuine threat of relegation - which we shouldn't be with this squad and in this league - I can't see the owners pressing the button any time soon.

The discontent with Maher appears to be as much about the style of football as anything. But to play a different style will involve replacing the majority of the squad - except ironically Bonne and Moncur - which would be prohibitively expensive (plus getting rid of Maher will be expensive and I think that money would be better spent on supplementing the squad).

 

[Barry.C]

I cant get my head around the view generously expressed no doubt on here that its good news to have a striker who doesnt score but helps another striker. I would prefer them to be called Forward Carer or upfront helper.

To my mind a striker is someone who does what it says on the tin. i.e responsible for actually scoring goals ! At the most fundamental level , thats the job, score goals. A constant threat, ability to shoot at the right time on target more often that not. Tap ins, low strike inside the box, a quick turn and shoot or a decent cracking shot from outside the box

Im still wishing, waiting and hoping for Bonne to show any capability in this regard and sustain it. Theres a view that when he eventually does score one all will be well. I certainly hope so and he suddenly turns into a goal machine, but at the moment looks like a more likely 4 goals a season so called striker

I get we are being very sustainy but why no more loanees for our tiny underfed outfit, especially as deals can be done for some of the costs to be offset. Roll on January apparently, only another 7 or 8 games to endure and live through before any action on the renewal front can be taken? apparently

Billy Paynter was reported as costing us around £350k. He played 8 games for us in less than 6 months , got one goal and so was shown the door for not being able to score

MacCauley Bonne just 2 assists in 12 games, Not a single goal, still its good news apparently that he can occasionally head a ball especially defensively ?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I cant get my head around the view generously expressed no doubt on here that its good news to have a striker who doesnt score but helps another striker. I would prefer them to be called Forward Carer or upfront helper.

To my mind a striker is someone who does what it says on the tin. i.e responsible for actually scoring goals ! At the most fundamental level , thats the job, score goals. A constant threat, ability to shoot at the right time on target more often that not. Tap ins, low strike inside the box, a quick turn and shoot or a decent cracking shot from outside the box

Im still wishing, waiting and hoping for Bonne to show any capability in this regard and sustain it. Theres a view that when he eventually does score one all will be well. I certainly hope so and he suddenly turns into a goal machine, but at the moment looks like a more likely 4 goals a season so called striker

I get we are being very sustainy but why no more loanees for our tiny underfed outfit, especially as deals can be done for some of the costs to be offset. Roll on January apparently, only another 7 or 8 games to endure and live through before any action on the renewal front can be taken? apparently

Billy Paynter was reported as costing us around £350k. He played 8 games for us in less than 6 months , got one goal and so was shown the door for not being able to score

MacCauley Bonne just 2 assists in 12 games, Not a single goal, still its good news apparently that he can occasionally head a ball especially defensively ?

Billy Paynter moved to Swindon where he scored 26 in 37 league starts (and 5 sub appearances) in the 2009-10 season, the season he turned 26.

It’s almost as if it’s more about putting the right striker in the right set up at the right time…

 

[Barry.C]

Billy Paynter moved to Swindon where he scored 26 in 37 league starts (and 5 sub appearances) in the 2009-10 season, the season he turned 26.

It’s almost as if it’s more about putting the right striker in the right set up at the right time…

Fair point maybe Mr Bonne could move on to Swindon sharpish ?

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

I cant get my head around the view generously expressed no doubt on here that its good news to have a striker who doesnt score but helps another striker. I would prefer them to be called Forward Carer or upfront helper.

To my mind a striker is someone who does what it says on the tin. i.e responsible for actually scoring goals ! At the most fundamental level , thats the job, score goals. A constant threat, ability to shoot at the right time on target more often that not. Tap ins, low strike inside the box, a quick turn and shoot or a decent cracking shot from outside the box

Im still wishing, waiting and hoping for Bonne to show any capability in this regard and sustain it. Theres a view that when he eventually does score one all will be well. I certainly hope so and he suddenly turns into a goal machine, but at the moment looks like a more likely 4 goals a season so called striker

I get we are being very sustainy but why no more loanees for our tiny underfed outfit, especially as deals can be done for some of the costs to be offset. Roll on January apparently, only another 7 or 8 games to endure and live through before any action on the renewal front can be taken? apparently

Billy Paynter was reported as costing us around £350k. He played 8 games for us in less than 6 months , got one goal and so was shown the door for not being able to score

MacCauley Bonne just 2 assists in 12 games, Not a single goal, still its good news apparently that he can occasionally head a ball especially defensively ?

Which striker is going to put away all the quality balls we put into the box nice and early .. hmm no hang on wait ..

 

[SuperRonnieP]

Which striker is going to put away all the quality balls we put into the box nice and early .. hmm no hang on wait ..

Good point, crossing on Saturday was dire

 

[Barry.C]

Which striker is going to put away all the quality balls we put into the box nice and early .. hmm no hang on wait ..

Again Totally true and I agree with you but I still think we have been doing a bit of that and sustaining possession and quite a few opportunities have been seriously missed

 

[Barry.C]

If we are so dire getting the ball in the box or right area how come a wing back has knocked in 7?

 

[cerbera45]

I cant get my head around the view generously expressed no doubt on here that its good news to have a striker who doesnt score but helps another striker. I would prefer them to be called Forward Carer or upfront helper.

To my mind a striker is someone who does what it says on the tin. i.e responsible for actually scoring goals ! At the most fundamental level , thats the job, score goals. A constant threat, ability to shoot at the right time on target more often that not. Tap ins, low strike inside the box, a quick turn and shoot or a decent cracking shot from outside the box

I don't (express generosity), I want him out and Moncur too whilst we're at it.

 

[rlb999]

The discontent with Maher appears to be as much about the style of football as anything. But to play a different style will involve replacing the majority of the squad - except ironically Bonne and Moncur - which would be prohibitively expensive (plus getting rid of Maher will be expensive and I think that money would be better spent on supplementing the squad).

I really don’t see what you’re saying here mate. For me, the players we have would fit fairly easily into a 4-3-3 or a 3-4-3, or even a 4-4-2. We’re probably lacking a left sided, left footed attacker, and probably also some pace on the flanks - but we could deal with that by swapping a couple of loans, it’s hardly a major squad overhaul. Equally, half the football league plays with attackers on the wrong flank, so whilst I don’t like it, there’s no reason why we couldn’t do it for awhile whilst we sorted personnel out.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I really don’t see what you’re saying here mate. For me, the players we have would fit fairly easily into a 4-3-3 or a 3-4-3, or even a 4-4-2. We’re probably lacking a left sided, left footed attacker, and probably also some pace on the flanks - but we could deal with that by swapping a couple of loans, it’s hardly a major squad overhaul. Equally, half the football league plays with attackers on the wrong flank, so whilst I don’t like it, there’s no reason why we couldn’t do it for awhile whilst we sorted personnel out.

Formation isn’t style. The style is playing a possession based game, passing the ball out from the back.

We’ve signed defenders and midfielders whose strength is getting the ball down on the deck and keeping the ball and then attackers who press from the front. You want players to play to their strengths.

I also don’t think discussions about formations help. Teams think about shapes in attacking and defending in different phases of the game. Discussion of 3-5-2, 4-4-2, 3-4-3 etc is far too basic and I don’t believe it reflects how teams actually set themselves up and think.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

The back 3 combos that have been tried don't work well enough, JB isn't a LWB.
We have to go with what we have so play Ralph as LWB , which he does as a steady 7/10 most games.
3 CBs of Taylor amd Crowther plus either Miley or Morton as they play back as far as CB role anyway (& Miley has done it before).
Then the midfield has either Moncur or KAF as creative with Coker/Noor/Wood.
And decide on a pairing up top, I favour Bim and Bonne, and give them a run togeter for at least 60 minutes for 4/5 games.
Stick with the basic 3/5/2 plan which all the squad must know, & also what is expected from it.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The back 3 combos that have been tried don't work well enough, JB isn't a LWB.
We have to go with what we have so play Ralph as LWB , which he does as a steady 7/10 most games.
3 CBs of Taylor amd Crowther plus either Miley or Morton as they play back as far as CB role anyway (& Miley has done it before).
Then the midfield has either Moncur or KAF as creative with Coker/Noor/Wood.
And decide on a pairing up top, I favour Bim and Bonne, and give them a run togeter for at least 60 minutes for 4/5 games.
Stick with the basic 3/5/2 plan which all the squad must know, & also what is expected from it.

I don’t get the Bridge can’t play LWB argument. He played there nearly all last season and was excellent. We had one of the best defensive records in the league, he led the league in assists and we nearly made the play-offs despite a 10 point deduction.

This season he hasn’t played there nearly as much and we’ve conceded way more goals, are gaining fewer points and are much further down the table. However most of our best performances (Solihull, Boston, Charlton, Tamworth) have been with him at LWB.

I do think the constant switching has been detrimental. Not just match to match but in games as well. We must be into at least double figures with both the number of times we’ve changed the starting defence but then also with the number of times we’ve subbed a defender on and reshuffled the defence. Rotating players in and out is easier when they are more of a like for like replacement.