Question Moncur & Bonne...time to cut our losses and get rid?!?

[BoyWonder2]

It would send out a message (to the rest of the squad) to say no-one is immune from being got rid of by the management if they're not performing up to their own individual standards.

But that’s not them being bad for the dressing room though. Bad for the dressing room suggests they are bad eggs, full of ego, or something of that ilk, which couldn’t be further from the truth.

They aren’t bad for the dressing room. They haven’t been good enough on the pitch whilst with us, but they aren’t bad eggs.

 

[rayleigh dan]

Wasn’t that long ago I was being mocked as I stated about how Kev & Co like the recruit, with their DD, speaking to teammates/ex-teammates, coaches and managers that had them, family, watching them numerous times and was told we need to take a risk, sign anyone.

You’ve got what you wished for, punts taken on both of these, and now you want to moan about it.

Few things need clearing up here, as a lot of misinformation is being spoken about these two.

Neither are mercenaries just here for a paycheck. Moncur, if he wasn’t arsed, would have sat at Orient and taken home his pay packet. He had the option of FGR, which he could have taken. FGR offered to pay a higher wage percentage too and Orient wanted him to go there. He opted to come here after speaking to Kev. He wanted to be here, he chose to be here.

Bonne, had other options and chose here. He isn’t one of the highest earners, which has been suggested. He doesn’t need to money, he made big money in his career. He wanted to be here.

Yes, neither of them have hit the heights here, and neither look like good signings on paper at the moment, but they want to be here despite what some posters suggest from seeing them on a match day. Whether either of them turn around their poor starts, or are here beyond January/Summer, time will tell, but just wanted to clear up a few things on these two.

I’m pretty sure only a handful of individuals were saying this, you make it sound like everyone was!

Also, those who were critical were ultimately having a dig at Kev, not you personally. Maybe some shooting the messenger was going on at worst.

Edit: That’s part and parcel of being an ‘ITK’ unfortunately, not everyone’s going to react positively to the news you choose to share, and we’re all entitled to an opinion.

 

[BoyWonder2]

I’m pretty sure only a handful of individuals were saying this, you make it sound like everyone was!

Also, those who were critical were ultimately having a dig at Kev, not you personally. Maybe some shooting the messenger was going on at worst.

Didn’t say it was everyone, wasn’t suggesting that.

Just saying people need to be careful what they wishful.

We have to sign proved EFL players was another shout, which Moncur and Bonne are, now they are the problem.

Bonne hattrick next weekend, no matter how unlikely, and people’s opinion changes again…

 

[rayleigh dan]

Didn’t say it was everyone, wasn’t suggesting that.

Just saying people need to be careful what they wishful.

We have to sign proved EFL players was another shout, which Moncur and Bonne are, now they are the problem.

Bonne hattrick next weekend, no matter how unlikely, and people’s opinion changes again…

That’s fair. No one’s going to score at hat trick though unless we stop overplaying in wide areas and actually put some balls into the box. Sorry, off topic I know!

 

[cerbera45]

But that’s not them being bad for the dressing room though. Bad for the dressing room suggests they are bad eggs, full of ego, or something of that ilk, which couldn’t be further from the truth.

They aren’t bad for the dressing room. They haven’t been good enough on the pitch whilst with us, but they aren’t bad eggs.

But bad performances on the pitch equate to bad results which result in poor morale in a dressing room. It's all linked together surely?!?

 

[Target man]

Didn’t say it was everyone, wasn’t suggesting that.

Just saying people need to be careful what they wishful.

We have to sign proved EFL players was another shout, which Moncur and Bonne are, now they are the problem.

Bonne hattrick next weekend, no matter how unlikely, and people’s opinion changes again…

I'd prefer a 1-0 own goal from Cardwell lol

 

[BoyWonder2]

But bad performances on the pitch equate to bad results which result in poor morale in a dressing room. It's all linked together surely?!?

If that’s the case, why are we just singling those two out?

Your post, about them being bad for the dressing room, seemed like a dig at them two and their characters, not their on field performances.

Yes, those two haven’t been great, but they certainly aren’t the only ones.

 

[Target man]

If that’s the case, why are we just singling those two out?

Your post, about them being bad for the dressing room, seemed like a dig at them two and their characters, not their on field performances.

Yes, those two haven’t been great, but they certainly aren’t the only ones.

Agreed. Husin IMO has been equally poor this season, and he's has a lot more influence on the team, playing almost every minute.

 

[cerbera45]

If that’s the case, why are we just singling those two out?

Your post, about them being bad for the dressing room, seemed like a dig at them two and their characters, not their on field performances.

Yes, those two haven’t been great, but they certainly aren’t the only ones.

Because they have come with big(ger) past reputations.

In all seriousness how can you compare Noor Hussin's career (ex NLS with Dartford) with George Moncur's?

 

[BoyWonder2]

Because they have come with big(ger) past reputations.

In all seriousness how can you compare Noor Hussin's career (ex NLS with Dartford) with George Moncur's?

I’m not.

I’m saying there are a number of players underperforming this season, but Moncur and Bonne are bearing the brunt of it and being accused of being bad for the dressing room, which they aren’t.

Can anybody honestly say that anybody that was here last season has reached those heights again this season?

 

[cerbera45]

I’m not.

I’m saying there are a number of players underperforming this season, but Moncur and Bonne are bearing the brunt of it and being accused of being bad for the dressing room, which they aren’t.

Can anybody honestly say that anybody that was here last season has reached those heights again this season?

So let's sack the whole management team of Maher, Currie & Bentley then?

 

[rlb999]

That’s fair. No one’s going to score at hat trick though unless we stop overplaying in wide areas and actually put some balls into the box. Sorry, off topic I know!

Been doing it for 3 years.

 

[BoyWonder2]

So let's sack the whole management team of Maher, Currie & Bentley then?

No.

We are going round in circles here so I’m done.

 

[Zeuss]

I am pretty sure most here were delighted when they joined us.

And I’m sure the management were—such a dreadful shame that they don’t have the tactical knowhow to be able to use them effectively.

 

[Thundersley Blue]

And I’m sure the management were—such a dreadful shame that they don’t have the tactical knowhow to be able to use them effectively.

And I suppose you have ?

 

[BoyWonder2]

And I’m sure the management were—such a dreadful shame that they don’t have the tactical knowhow to be able to use them effectively.

I don’t think it’s anything to do with tactical know how.

I think they just haven’t worked out, yet. They may never work out.

Our “success” under Kev has involved a high press, a bit like Klopp’s Liverpool. Cards was instrumental in that. Kanu when he came in on loan brought into it, Powell did it and so forth.

Bonne & Moncur, that just isn’t their game. To be fair to both, they don’t have the legs to charge around for 90 minutes like Cardwell did. So they save themselves for on the ball work, but Moncur isn’t producing what he should and is adopting a safety first approach, and Bonne is a striker that hasn’t scored. Everything about his play tells you that. You don’t need to look at the stats, look at how he snatches at chances, hesitates with some, isn’t in the middle of the six yard box for cut backs. It might be a case of he scores one and scores 7/8 before Christmas. It might not. He’ll be better once he scores I feel.

 

[Dutch Branch]

Bonne definitely went up in my estimations against Charlton and I think him and Bim might work out ok if they stick with it. Moncur unfortunately after a promising start seems to have flopped somewhat, maybe due to fitness or injury or maybe just doesn’t want to be here who knows.

Right now I think we have the sausage but severely lacking the sizzle. Bridge and Noor aren’t cutting the mustard either right now.

Unfortunately, we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes and Kev appears to have a few issues with things by his post match interview.

See where we are at Christmas I suppose and what action the club take to address the issues.

COYB.

 

[Blue Yonder]

I think they both thought the NL would be a doddle and a bit beneath them and now they're having to deal with the knowledge that they aren't cutting it. One at least looks like he's trying to work his way into it. The other looks like he'd rather not bother, it's time to retire and do other stuff. Insiders will know better on that score.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Agreed. Husin IMO has been equally poor this season, and he's has a lot more influence on the team, playing almost every minute.

Noor hasn’t been playing well but the big difference is the work-rate. Noor still covers a lot of ground.

Moncur doesn’t have the willingness to do that and Bonne doesn’t have the legs to do that (although this part of his game has been improving to be fair).

Noor also loses it a lot less so even when he’s not playing well he doesn’t hurt the team as much.

Both Moncur and Bonne were desperation signings. These were positions that should have been addressed in the summer but weren’t for reasons we’re only too aware of. I think we’d have had better options available in the summer and would like to think that we’d have gone in different directions but even if we still ended up with both then a proper pre-season for both would have helped no end.

 

[Medway Blue]

Noor hasn’t been playing well but the big difference is the work-rate. Noor still covers a lot of ground.

Moncur doesn’t have the willingness to do that and Bonne doesn’t have the legs to do that (although this part of his game has been improving to be fair).

Noor also loses it a lot less so even when he’s not playing well he doesn’t hurt the team as much.

Both Moncur and Bonne were desperation signings. These were positions that should have been addressed in the summer but weren’t for reasons we’re only too aware of. I think we’d have had better options available in the summer and would like to think that we’d have gone in different directions but even if we still ended up with both then a proper pre-season for both would have helped no end.

I think I'd move away from calling them "desperation" signings. If were that desperate, I'm sure there were plenty of other options available.

I think they were more" calculated risks", in that they have shown qualities in the past that the management team appreciate but have since lost their way a bit, and in the absence of much better and affordable being available, took the risk on them rediscovering some of that previous form.

However, probably no getting away from the probablity that we'd have signed neither, had the summer transfer plans been able to come to fruition.