Mark Molesley

[Chapperz]

Still a better manager than Phil Brown...

 

[sufc4life21]

Told you all when he was here he is a **** manager and people trying to justify him having a tough hand is just wrong. Didn’t he bring something stupid like 20 players. He is a clueless PE teacher. Just like almost all of the games he was manager for us his football was absolutely shocking and after going to aldershot away game this season it shows his negative style of football and his absolute cluelessness.

He did have tough hand! If I'm honest I never rated the guy but you can't say he didn't have tough hand though..... transfer embargo and 2 strikers sold without being replaced isn't ideal start to his time at Southend. Klopp and pep wouldn't done much better with that hand molesley had.

 

[danbowen]

Still a better manager than Phil Brown...

Is he though lol?

 

[danbowen]

He did have tough hand! If I'm honest I never rated the guy but you can't say he didn't have tough hand though..... transfer embargo and 2 strikers sold without being replaced isn't ideal start to his time at Southend. Klopp and pep wouldn't done much better with that hand molesley had.

Doesn’t matter how many strikers we had - our top scorer was a defender that season and we played so negatively the strikers wouldn’t have done much anyway. Look at the aldershot strikers against us I thought they looked like pacy players who under the right manager and style of football would be decent but it was just hoof ball and they couldn’t do anything. I understand why people thought he had a bad hand but he is a very very poor manager so he needs to shoulder a good deal of the responsibility too.

 

[rayleigh dan]

Still a better manager than Phil Brown...

Phil bought in Arnold, Bridge and Dalby, so made some good signings at least. The only player MM brought in who’s still a regular is Hobson. Molesley was undoubtedly hampered by embargoes but when he had the chance his signings were poor.

Maher’s signings so far have been head and shoulders above both the aforementioned by the way.

 

[danbowen]

And Atkinson. Think brown actually made some decent signings it was also his negative style of play that was his downfall.

 

[Strykr]

And Atkinson. Think brown actually made some decent signings it was also his negative style of play that was his downfall.

And his man management style that isnt up to date. The whole constantly punish and shame ethos just doesnt work anymore.

Theres no way anyone can say MM is a better manager then PB, there is just nothing to prove that. PB had his time, in his time and is past it.

We played fairly staid but decent football in browns first reign and we got promoted.

 

[Medway Blue]

Phil bought in Arnold, Bridge and Dalby, so made some good signings at least. The only player MM brought in who’s still a regular is Hobson. Molesley was undoubtedly hampered by embargoes but when he had the chance his signings were poor.

Maher’s signings so far have been head and shoulders above both the aforementioned by the way.

Bridge and Dalby were mostly thanks to Ricky Duncan. Phil Brown has no decent contacts left, either managers or agents.

 

[KiwiRob]

Phil bought in Arnold, Bridge and Dalby, so made some good signings at least. The only player MM brought in who’s still a regular is Hobson. Molesley was undoubtedly hampered by embargoes but when he had the chance his signings were poor.

Maher’s signings so far have been head and shoulders above both the aforementioned by the way.

To be fair, Maher has spent significant money on the likes of Cardwell, Husin and Powell. These are great signings, but MM never had that sort of backing from the Chairman.

 

[RHB]

This is one of those threads where I wish I had access to the 'ignore' button, but sadly I don't have that luxury.

Mark Molesley managed us at probably one of the lowest points in our history with an embargo on the Club and a Pandemic raging across the UK. With hindsight he was pretty much doomed to failure from the start and so it turned out. So he got binned and up popped Phil Brown (again). If the truth be known we all knew that Brown had already had his moment in the sun with us at Wembley, and that was a joyous occasion that will live with me for ever. But he also took command of one of the most pathetic performances of my time watching Southend with THAT game at the Airfix Stadium, which, through rubbish preparation, tactics and team selection saw us throw our league status away. And that was bugger all to do with Mark Molesley.

Anyway, it's done and dusted, both ex managers have moved on and we now have a chance to go again. It therefore totally baffles me that what Molesley does now, or for that matter what he did when he was here, matters any more to the point when posters still get incensed. Time to move on?

 

[sufc4life21]

Doesn’t matter how many strikers we had - our top scorer was a defender that season and we played so negatively the strikers wouldn’t have done much anyway. Look at the aldershot strikers against us I thought they looked like pacy players who under the right manager and style of football would be decent but it was just hoof ball and they couldn’t do anything. I understand why people thought he had a bad hand but he is a very very poor manager so he needs to shoulder a good deal of the responsibility too.

Kind of does though, it's where your main sauce of goals comes from (unless your man city) if we had dalby and murphy in last season side I'm sure we would of stayed up. I wasn't fan of molesley but he did have bad hand! Going into new managerial job, with transfer embargo and 2 of your main strikers sold. It took till December for hart and akinola to be registered to play. Know doubt ron sold molesley pack of lies before he took the job. Many managers wouldn't done much better with that hand.

 

[pottster]

Molesley did have a bad hand, and no manager would have done much better until the embargo was lifted. But he didnt help himself either with his terrible formations and decisions. The breaking point for me was oldham away, we were dominating and on the attack and for no reason took a striker off and replaced him with a midfield player. It totally killed any impetus we had and we walked away with a draw.

 

[sufc4life21]

Molesley did have a bad hand, and no manager would have done much better until the embargo was lifted. But he didnt help himself either with his terrible formations and decisions. The breaking point for me was oldham away, we were dominating and on the attack and for no reason took a striker off and replaced him with a midfield player. It totally killed any impetus we had and we walked away with a draw.

That was 1 frustrating watch....... I also remember that loan keeper molesley brought in taking his time on goal kicks when we need 3 points. All very frustrating. 1 thing I will never understand is in January that year, molesley decided for whatever reason to change the formation....we was doing ok 4231 formation but molesley went with 532 and it backfired big time with 3 straight loses, with the worse defeat coming at port vale.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Is he though lol?

Yes and it’s not even close.

It’s why Molesley has a job and Brown doesn’t.

Molesley inherited the worst side in Southend history. Under Bond and then Campbell we’d won 4 out of 35 matches and been relegated. We’d conceded 85 goals in 35 games. What little talent there was was then sold off, first in the January window under Sol (no replacements allowed) and then under Molesley, who was only appointed what should have been 2 weeks into pre-season was then allowed to sign just two players - a 20 year old who had never played a league game but has since been an ever present under Maher and a loanee winger, who having beaten his man once too often was then cynically injured and never played for us again.

Unsurprisingly we lost our first game 4-0, a result that bookended Brown’s spell as well. But whilst Molesley lost his first game 4-0 to a team who was up for it and from there on we showed steady progress for Brown it was the opposite and we got more and more disorganised ending in a 4-0 humiliation to a team who didn’t get out of second gear.

Molesley was far from perfect - understandably from a rookie in his first full-time job - but under him we improved. He showed he could coach and organise what had been a rabble, to make a team that had conceded 85 goals in 35 games keep clean sheets. Under Brown we just went backwards. Whilst the embarrassing performances under Molesley were at the start, with Brown they were at the end (although nothing compares to that shambles v Col Ewe) with games like Chesterfield, Solihull, and against a winless Aldershot where we were gifted a lead but still managed to throw it away against a truly woeful side, who sacked their manager soon after.

He benefits from the lowest bar of all-time but Molesley was better than the 2 managers who preceded him and the manager who succeeded him. Thankfully Maher outshines them all.

 

[brigg blue]

MM was always going to be a gamble as a manager, his record at Weymouth was very good but there was always the question as to whether it was down to him or the players loaned to them by Bournemouth U23's where he also coached them.

 

[Strykr]

Yes and it’s not even close.

It’s why Molesley has a job and Brown doesn’t.

Molesley inherited the worst side in Southend history. Under Bond and then Campbell we’d won 4 out of 35 matches and been relegated. We’d conceded 85 goals in 35 games. What little talent there was was then sold off, first in the January window under Sol (no replacements allowed) and then under Molesley, who was only appointed what should have been 2 weeks into pre-season was then allowed to sign just two players - a 20 year old who had never played a league game but has since been an ever present under Maher and a loanee winger, who having beaten his man once too often was then cynically injured and never played for us again.

Unsurprisingly we lost our first game 4-0, a result that bookended Brown’s spell as well. But whilst Molesley lost his first game 4-0 to a team who was up for it and from there on we showed steady progress for Brown it was the opposite and we got more and more disorganised ending in a 4-0 humiliation to a team who didn’t get out of second gear.

Molesley was far from perfect - understandably from a rookie in his first full-time job - but under him we improved. He showed he could coach and organise what had been a rabble, to make a team that had conceded 85 goals in 35 games keep clean sheets. Under Brown we just went backwards. Whilst the embarrassing performances under Molesley were at the start, with Brown they were at the end (although nothing compares to that shambles v Col Ewe) with games like Chesterfield, Solihull, and against a winless Aldershot where we were gifted a lead but still managed to throw it away against a truly woeful side, who sacked their manager soon after.

He benefits from the lowest bar of all-time but Molesley was better than the 2 managers who preceded him and the manager who succeeded him. Thankfully Maher outshines them all.

You should caveat that with PB being at the end of his career and having lost the plot a bit.

You cant seriously put PB's managerial record up against MM's and say MM is better.

 

[Strykr]

To be fair, Maher has spent significant money on the likes of Cardwell, Husin and Powell. These are great signings, but MM never had that sort of backing from the Chairman.

I think you might be surprised at how little money was used to sign those players. But yes MM was shafted in that department for sure.

 

[Chrisb]

The signings MM did make were dreadful as was the football (if you can call it that). Ron's choice (assume based on Harry's advice) cost us our league status. MM and his entourage took a career gamble by leaving Weymouth and it was our club that paid the price. Long time Aldershot fans are saying this is worst football they have ever witnessed, no coincidence.

 

[Strykr]

If hes a samba football manager trapped by clubs who wont give him the proper resources then he needs to go back to non league and find a chairman that will let him prove his ethos, at the moment hes doing his career no favours by playing boring football.

 

[Stan33]

If hes a samba football manager trapped by clubs who wont give him the proper resources then he needs to go back to non league and find a chairman that will let him prove his ethos, at the moment hes doing his career no favours by playing boring football.

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