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Maher going nowhere says unhappy Ron

A very good point about the lack of experience.

However, I think we lacked experience last season (and we had the experienced Lead Bradbury around then as well) when Maher was still an integral part of the team. How much of Maher's experience does he pass on? He seems to reserve most of his talking for the referee rather than for team-mates.

ps Tommy Black is 28, not 30. He's also started fewer games than Nicky Bailey

For the second part, I seem to have immediately trusted this which on reflection has a few mistakes in it! They even got the day and month wrong too. Well done them. Is he Nigerian?

For the first, agreed, he's not necessarily the guy to sort us out but I can't imagine it would help losing an experienced player.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you believed T&B were wrong to play him even when he was playing well? So how come you now believe they are right to a) drop him from the team, and b) drop him from the squad?

I think the problem is more that Maher hasn't been playing well. I'm trying to remember the last time Maher played well (maybe in October?). To me, he hasn't looked right for some time. His last few appearances were very Maher unlike, in that he looked off the pace and misplayed passes. The team looked like it had moved on in Maher's absence. I think Maher has been struggling for fitness for some time (getting on for a year) and maybe injury has taken its toll.

We haven't offered him a testimonial. After 10 years with the same club he has the right to one.

I think testimonials are discretionary rather than automatic, although it is the convention that you get one after ten years. My point was that his service has been/was going to be recognised. Its not as if they shipped him off a couple of days short of ten years.

Maher didn't need time to "come good". He was always good. He was by far and away the best player in what was an appalling team.

I'm probably coming over as fairly anti-Maher, but that is only because I'm trying to balance out the Maher obituaries, which don't give a balanced reflection of his time at Roots Hall. I don't think he was a success for the first half of his Roots Hall career. Whilst he was always talented, I don't think his application matched his ability. I think the difference in Maher of a couple of seasons ago compared to Maher at the start of his Southend career is probably work-rate. I don't think his passing improved (he always had that invaluable knack of being available and being able to retain possession).


Speak for yourself, but I still believe Maher is better than Macca. Macca has a bit of the Thurgood's about him, i.e. he runs around like a headless chicken at times waiting to put in a "challenge". As I pointed out after the last home game, it was Macca that completely lost his man for Bournemouth's goal. I don't remember Maher ever doing that.

Apologies, that was presumptive of me.

As for Maher losing his man, I could count to numerous goals that we conceded from the edge of the area to where Maher as the holding midfielder should have been picking up the advancing midfielder. Often he just lacked the legs/lungs to get back.

Don't get me wrong, for a spell of 5 or 6 years, Maher was an excellent servant to the club, but that doesn't tell the whole story of his time at Roots Hall. I genuinely think the team has moved on from the Maher era. It is no disgrace to be edged out by the imperious Nicky Bailey and it is around Bailey as holding midfielder that I would be building my team not Maher, particularly given Maher's age and recent deterioration in fitness (one of his assets was that he never use to miss a game - other than suspension).
 
He was only relevant given that he will be Maher's partner at Gillingham, and that you alluded to the fact that Thurgood "could do Maher's running for him". Thurgood can run until the cows come home, but he'll never be in Maher's class.

I'd compare it to the Whelan-Gridelet combination, which was one of the better midfield pairings I've seen. Whelan had the class but no longer the legs, Gridelet had the legs but not the class. As a partnership it worked well as their relative strengths balanced out their weaknesses.

Without a Thurgood to do Maher's running, Maher won't be effective.

I'm just intrigued at the fact that:

(a) despite Maher being one of our classiest performers in the Championship last season, you (and indeed Tilly) have deemed him surplus to requirements.

(b) everyone must go to training sessions at B&L, since you're all completely up to date about how Kev is playing now.

(c) you in particular, YB, are always at pains to point out how entries in the club's history books and the club's traditions are paramount. I recall, for instance, how in 2005-06, you were insistent that you would far prefer for us to win the League One title and get relegated the following season than "do a Col Ewe", by finishing second, but staying up for an extra year - on the basis that they could never take the L1 Title away from us. Dare I suggest that there's a touch of sentimentality there? After all, which club is going to have the more lucrative season this year, thereby helping to secure its long-term future (if we were to take a ruthlessly pragmatic view of football).

Yet, when it comes to a player who has been a lynchpin of the club for a decade, we can chuck him out with yesterday's newspapers the minute he becomes surplus to requirements....?

Football and sentimentality go hand in glove. Why then are we not permitted to be a bit shocked about the departure of one of this club's most dedicated servants in recent years - especially without the benefit of having said goodbye to him properly, after a competitive fixture (rather than a testimonial)?

:confused:

Matt

I agree Maher was one of our classiest performers last season, (along with incidentally Gower, who is again getting stick). But that was last year. What has changed since the QPR game?

1. Maher's fitness. Maher never use to miss games through injury, he use to play 90 minutes without fail. He incredibly missed Southampton away when he would have had a couple of months off afterwards to recover. Given that he's now the wrong side of 30, you've got to start wondering how many more games he's got left in him.

2. Nicky Bailey. Bailey is one of the best players I've seen in a Southend shirt. His best position is as a holding midfielder and for me he is the first name down on the team sheet.

3. Our style of play. This has developed and changed a little in Maher's absence. The team has adjusted to Bailey and McCormack in the middle and frankly have looked better with Bailey and McCormack in the middle rather a midfield based around Maher.

4. Franck Moussa. Moussa looks like a younger version of Maher to me. Given the choice between the 31(?) year old Maher or the 19(?) year old Moussa, I'm going to go for the younger player. Maher stands in the way of Moussa's emergence. Rumours of training ground fights aside, I'm struggling to see how the club could satisfy both next season.

Now, I don't know how Maher is training, I'm going mainly on his last performances and on the fact that Steve Tilson doesn't see fit to include Maher in his match day XVI. I can see why Maher doesn't make the starting XI and I can see the attraction in having a more mobile central/wide midfield option on the bench ahead of Maher (although there have been occasions when I'd have loved to have Maher at his peak come on and slow down a game - this will have to be Moussa's role going forward).


As for sentimentality, that is fine for fans, but the manager and chairman need to be able to rise above that. Are you really suggesting picking Maher to start one last game just so that fans can say goodbye? I'd be fine with inviting him back next season if he's retired to come onto the pitch and wave goodbye properly but that has to be a limit to sentimentality, or else Paul Clarke would still be playing centre-back (as we'd have offered a two year deal instead of a one year deal and he'd have never gone to...... Gillingham). I really don't see how keeping on a player past their best helps. I'd rather remember him as the instrumental midfielder and captain of the double promotion side rather than as the midfielder and big wage earner who weighed us down when we attempted to bounce back up.
 
Slightly unfair that for a player who's played for the club for so long is getting torn apart as apposed to wished good luck for the future.
 
Thanks for the memories King Kev.

And thanks to whoever posted that YouTube video link coz that showed Maher at the top of his game, somehow being prolific from midfield. I used to offer to give my mates their ticket money back if maher scored that day.

It does seem a great shame the way Maher's fallen from grace from being a first team regular to not even making the 16. It does seem that there's more to this than meets the eye but does send out a message from Tilson that no one is bigger than the club.

If you need cheering up look at the videos of us lot at Southampton last season, brought it all back about what an amazing day that was.
 
I think testimonials are discretionary rather than automatic, although it is the convention that you get one after ten years. My point was that his service has been/was going to be recognised. Its not as if they shipped him off a couple of days short of ten years.

My understanding is that they are indeed a right...

I'm probably coming over as fairly anti-Maher, but that is only because I'm trying to balance out the Maher obituaries, which don't give a balanced reflection of his time at Roots Hall. I don't think he was a success for the first half of his Roots Hall career. Whilst he was always talented, I don't think his application matched his ability. I think the difference in Maher of a couple of seasons ago compared to Maher at the start of his Southend career is probably work-rate. I don't think his passing improved (he always had that invaluable knack of being available and being able to retain possession).

That's where we disagree. I don't actually think he was poor in his first few years. I just think he suffered from playing in a very poor team. Being the only decent player, he was often marked out of the game. The opposition knew they could put 2 players on him when he had the ball because no-one else in our team could do anything with it, so the risk was minimal...come to think of it, they could have put all 11 on him and we still wouldn't have scored!
 
Absolutely gutted to hear this news - Kev always has been my favourite player and was a smashing lad when i met him earlier in the season too. Some people say he has a big ego and good riddance - but i thought he was one of the most down to earth people i've ever met.

On the pitch, he was a true leader who was never afraid to give someone a verbal bollocking if necessary. Really sad day - but best of luck to him and i look forward to the testimonial, whenever it may be.
 
Absolutely gutted to hear this news - Kev always has been my favourite player and was a smashing lad when i met him earlier in the season too. Some people say he has a big ego and good riddance - but i thought he was one of the most down to earth people i've ever met.

On the pitch, he was a true leader who was never afraid to give someone a verbal bollocking if necessary. Really sad day - but best of luck to him and i look forward to the testimonial, whenever it may be.

Including the ref. :p
 
I'm gutted to hear this more for sentimentality than for the sake of the club, as he is clearly surplus to requirements.

Nonetheless, a captain who has lead us through some of our better times (particularly in recent years) and came to represent what the shirt meant.

But, keeping in the present, he's the wrong side of 30. Moussa is promising. He's not performed this season. He apparently has ego and attitude problems, as testament to the training ground rumours. There's a new team being sculpted around Bailey, who as has been said, is fantastic, and McCormack - who, when playing well, is also one of the best central midfielders in League One. It just so happens he's off form, and for this reason perhaps his upcoming suspension will help him. Especially if Moussa and Bailey can play well.

It's about taking the club in a new direction, and I welcome Tilly's decisiveness - even though it is the Kevin Maher. I think the comparisons to SAF and Keane are fair, and reasonably accurate from what little I know - but look at Manchester United now compared with... 25 months ago.
 
Nothing on either clubs OS site that I can see so I am going to pretend this hasnt happed....

"One Kevin Maher there only one Kevin Maher".

PS - What did Moussa say during thre presentation?
 
gutted..
it's been said but massive shame and think presence will be missed more than anything imo
was my favourite player last season
good luck, kev!
 
Gone 6 o'clock and we are given the news that Andy Abraham is performing at RH on Saturday but not that Maher has been sent out on loan.

This is an abysmal way to treat such a loyal club servant but sadly so typical of the way that the club conducts itself with it's PR.
 
i done know whats happened behind the scene but such a shame that such a loyal player is being treated in this way. must be something bad, doubt we will ever know but think its terrible we havn't officially been told yet. to let the echo tell us is a real shame.
 
I don't understand how so many people are justifying the departure of one of the finest passers of the ball in the league by saying he would "prevent the emergence of Moussa". Moussa has been entirely annonymous in every single league game I have seen him play. Correct me if I'm wrong but has he ever scored a goal, or made an assisst in competitive first team games? It seems strange that this 'presence' (or lack thereof) in the squad is enough to assure people that Maher's absense will be OK.

I entirely agree that Bailey is the best player in the squad at the moment, but I don't think Maher's absense is a prerequisite for Bailey to shine. I can't remember seeing Maher alongside Bailey for an extended period this season, but I don't think it's a partnership which would be doomed to failure like others seem to.

I am really very saddened by this news, because apart from being one of the best footballers I have seen play for Southend, he was also a personal favourite, and I loved nothing more than telling the Maher-haters to **** off when he was periodically abused.

It's a great testament to his ability that even in the League One winning squad which included Freddy, Prior, Goater, an on-form Flahavan and Gower, Kevin Maher was still perhaps the greatest influence on the way we played football.

I also think it's no coincedence that since his departure from the first team squad we've been playing a hell of a lot more long balls than we used to.

You'll be missed Kev, but perhaps you're permanent absense might finally convince some of your doubters of your supreme influence on the team, and how much we relied upon you for so many years.
 

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