lets get this pizza shop shut down

[IloveShrimp]

I'm astounded by some of the posts on here deriding the article and the way in which the club have gone about things, then again, saying that it's more or less the same people that always have a bad thing to say about RM and his actions so I shouldn't really be that surprised. This is just another club he's given them to beat him about the head with.

The question has been asked 'would you want to move if it was your home or business'..........YES, I would. If someone offered me 25% to 30% above market value for my place I'd rip their arm off and be gone before you could say double pepperoni on that please.

At the outset a valuation of his business would have been done. That would have been about 18 months ago, or there abouts. Since then as time has gone on I would imagine subsequent valuations would have been carried out as the property market has fluctuated and he would have at all times been offered what the business is actually worth plus a substantial percentage on top of that to make it 'worth his while' to move on. Do any of you really think that all the other businesses would have sold up and agreed terms if those terms weren't substantially beneficial to them both in terms of price and incentives? No is the answer to that. Now you have to ask yourself why is it that just these two are holding out? In my opinion it's greed, nothing more, nothing less, that's what. His lawyers know exactly what's at stake. They know that any potential CPO being forced on them is pretty much a non starter considering the time it takes to enforce. They are playing hard ball for one reason and one reason only.........to get as much as they possibly can out of R H Ltd because they know they can. They'll also know that should a CPO be enforced they will only get the current market value so playing hard ball has enormous financial risks involved.

Why anyone on here would feel pity for them is totally beyond me. Our club NEEDS, indeed MUST have it's new stadium and I personally don't care how R H Ltd and RM go about getting it (within legal boundaries of coarse)

The sooner they move out, either voluntarily or by being forced, the better.

Phil

Assuming a lot arn't you?

 

[borientater]

The owners of these shops obviously see this as an oppurtunity to make some money , after all this is why they are in business . Can anybody on here truthfully say that if they had the chance to make some possibly life changing amount of money they would turn the chance down .
They probably are being greedy but the world is full of greedy people and everyone owes it to themselves and thier famalies to take advantage of any oppurtunities that come thier way , after all is this not what our chairman is doing !

 

[Mick]

come be honestwho cares if its bulling harsh what ever we support southend if it was me it wuld be different buts its some non southend fan called mohammed get him shutdown HOWEVER nessercery

presumably if he had a nice English name like Moussa, Christophe, Laurent or Sankofa that'd be ok ?

 

[Swiss Tony]

Heraus heraus we have ways of making you move.

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

I'm astounded by some of the posts on here deriding the article and the way in which the club have gone about things, then again, saying that it's more or less the same people that always have a bad thing to say about RM and his actions so I shouldn't really be that surprised. This is just another club he's given them to beat him about the head with.

Certainly in my case this is nothing to do with my vague distrust of RM, and totally down to my dislike of the big bullying the small.

The question has been asked 'would you want to move if it was your home or business'..........YES, I would. If someone offered me 25% to 30% above market value for my place I'd rip their arm off and be gone before you could say double pepperoni on that please.

And I wouldn't. Now a spanking new bypass would be a different kettle of fish, otherwise I'll move when I want to and not because someone with big ideas for a football club wants me to.

At the outset a valuation of his business would have been done. That would have been about 18 months ago, or there abouts. Since then as time has gone on I would imagine subsequent valuations would have been carried out as the property market has fluctuated and he would have at all times been offered what the business is actually worth plus a substantial percentage on top of that to make it 'worth his while' to move on. Do any of you really think that all the other businesses would have sold up and agreed terms if those terms weren't substantially beneficial to them both in terms of price and incentives? No is the answer to that. Now you have to ask yourself why is it that just these two are holding out? In my opinion it's greed, nothing more, nothing less, that's what. His lawyers know exactly what's at stake. They know that any potential CPO being forced on them is pretty much a non starter considering the time it takes to enforce. They are playing hard ball for one reason and one reason only.........to get as much as they possibly can out of R H Ltd because they know they can. They'll also know that should a CPO be enforced they will only get the current market value so playing hard ball has enormous financial risks involved.

Or, quite simply, they just don't want to sell. You're making a lot of (quite probably correct) assumptions here. None of us know what the offer is, how we've gone about approaching the companies, why ther're not selling, etc. We are ALL assuming. Until I see a solid figure that says "We offered x% above the going rate" I'm not going to criticise someone for not selling. And just because some other businesses accepted the offer and sold doesn't make them right and the Pizza place wrong.

Why anyone on here would feel pity for them is totally beyond me. Our club NEEDS, indeed MUST have it's new stadium and I personally don't care how R H Ltd and RM go about getting it (within legal boundaries of coarse)

Again, I think this is where I must be looking from a different point of view to most other people. OUR needs MUST take precident over others? Since when did we become THAT important?

The sooner they move out, either voluntarily or by being forced, the better.

So another supermarket can be built (yes I know Sainsbury's are stumping up cash for the site which is helping us build our new stadium, but still!). What we're actually saying here is that a multinational corperation MUST have its needs met over those of small businesses. Now that I don't like.

Phil

See, my point is, these buildings are going to be knocked down to help build a supermarket. They're not standing on the site of our new stadium, they're not stopping the diggers from going in and starting on the foundations, etc. They're in the way of a big supermarket. Well, blimey, isn't there a rather large Tesco's just down the road in one direction and a rather large Waitrose in the other, with and equally large Asda a little further on.

From a club point of view YES it matters that Sainsbury's gets built, but from a local point of view it doesn't matter a jot.

If this had nothing to do with SUFC I'd be up in arms over these businesses being forced out for a supermarket. I refuse to be a hypocrite just because the club I support has a vested interest in the outcome.

This is so easy to sort out.. Put the number on here - everyone take it in turns to put in a bogus delivery order! Send them round to Col U fans houses :). If they don't deliver that far then any West Ham fans living in the Southend area will do.. :) DONE!

come be honestwho cares if its bulling harsh what ever we support southend if it was me it wuld be different buts its some non southend fan called mohammed get him shutdown HOWEVER nessercery

And those two quotes sum up what I initially said in my other post about the stupid comments. If those quotes made it into the Echo they'd REALLY paint a positive picture of our supporters!

 

[Beefy]

Again, if there was not a lot of empty premises that they could trade from literally around the corner then I'd see your point of view.

We could be trying to screw these guys over with a rubbish offer but the fact that every other business, including the college in Fairfax, and every single homeowner above the shops and in the flats by the car park, have accepted their offers suggests that we're not being unreasonable. There is no reason that I can see for them being there other than their own self-interest. And there's nothing wrong with self-interest but don't go around portraying them as innocent martyrs.

 

[bazzashrimper]

The thing is, we don't know who to have sympathy for here. If the club are offering below market price and trying to bully the pizza shop then clearly the club are out of order. If the club are offering over market value but the pizza shop are trying to push them to paying well over the odds then the pizza shop are out of order. I know it's their business, but a generous price would make business sense to sell.

The only indicator to the price is the fact that everyone else has sold up.

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

Again, if there was not a lot of empty premises that they could trade from literally around the corner then I'd see your point of view.

We could be trying to screw these guys over with a rubbish offer but the fact that every other business, including the college in Fairfax, and every single homeowner above the shops and in the flats by the car park, have accepted their offers suggests that we're not being unreasonable. There is no reason that I can see for them being there other than their own self-interest. And there's nothing wrong with self-interest but don't go around portraying them as innocent martyrs.

How the heck am I doing that - I've said I'm not going to criticise unless I know what the offer is. If I knew for a fact that we've made them a stupidly good offer then I may well be holding a different opinion....! Once again, the bit in red is my point. We just don't know why some sold and others haven't.

I've got nothing against a well reasoned arguement/debate like this but, come on, 90% of the replies on this thread have been absolute nonsense!

(and I'm sure some of the contributers will think my replies fall in that 90%..... ;))

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Look I'm ready for a barage of red here, but not to worry. Some of the comments here are really out of the ordinary for some people on here.

How many threads are there in the Pub section complaining about State interference in our everyday lives, the use of bully-boy tactics, etc, etc - most of which are full of replies from people complaining that it's going on. Yet, suddenly, because it's to do with our football club most people are claiming that all's fair in love and war.

I want a new stadium as much as the next person but, come on, this is getting silly. Who on earth do we think we are to try and force these businesses out of their property? So what if there's lots of other places they could go to. So what if we *think* they're being obstructive (bear in mind, none of us actually know what they've been offered.....). Personally, I even find the fact the council are prepared to use CPO's more than a little offensive. Again, putting that in perspective, the council are quite happy to use CPO's to get a new football stadium (which, lets face it, isn't exactly going to make or break the local economy if it does or doesn't go ahead) yet shy away from doing so in order to improve the flow of traffic through/around various junctions to make getting in and out of town during rush hour a hell of a lot easier.

Again, putting that another way, if they were your homes instead of just random businesses how many of you would be quite happy to move? I know I flipping well wouldn't. I would find the use of these bullying tactics wrong in any other circumstances so I'm not going to condone them just because I have a vested interest in the result.

I've read nowhere that we've sent Geoff King down to see these people.

In my previous post I tried to be very measured in my language, I stated that the process may be unpalatable but necessary and that I hoped the situation would be quickly and correctly resolved ....if not amicably....i.e. that the owners could be disappointed that they weren't able to screw as much out of the purchaser's as they had hoped for. I'm sorry but it would seem that in your emotive sentence about 'if they were your homes' you destroy your own argument because, of course, you go on to say that, they are NOT homes but ............................... random businesses.
Look, I have, generally always been one for supporting the underdog, the David against Goliath, but I'm not sure that this is the case here. In fact both the defenders and attackers of these resisting businesses are on rather dodgy ground because I assume that none of us fully understand the situation regarding the people being requested to move and the conditions that are being offered.
It does however appear to me that we have agreed terms with everyone else bar these two and, in the end, it is not a question of IF they will go..........but WHEN they will go. I don't think that you can call our tactics 'bully-boy' ..............although I hope that some of the more extreme comments on here are just jokes in rather bad taste. We are playing the game of applying a bit of pressure in a jokey way..........OK it may well have not gone down too well with some of you on here. However, it is probable that these people are equally playing their own little delaying game, sticking out for as much as they can get, knowing that time is of the essence.

 

[McNasty]

There is a vast difference between Ron Martin offering to buy the flats and businesses and actually coming up with the money to buy them. I am privy to information that I can't reveal on here as I would probably be sued but there seems to some problem with completing the purchase of one of the small flats so don't hold your breath about pizza shops being purchased just yet ---- owner willing or not.

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

I'm sorry but it would seem that in your emotive sentence about 'if they were your homes' you destroy your own argument because, of course, you go on to say that, they are NOT homes but ............................... random businesses.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think I do. I use the term 'random' in that I have no personal interest in it. My point is that I'm not going to hold one point of view just because it concerns the football club I support but would hold a different one if it had involved my own house/business.

 

[Beefy]

There is a vast difference between Ron Martin offering to buy the flats and businesses and actually coming up with the money to buy them. I am privy to information that I can't reveal on here as I would probably be sued but there seems to some problem with completing the purchase of one of the small flats so don't hold your breath about pizza shops being purchased just yet ---- owner willing or not.

Obviously I'm not privy to any information, however I wouldn't be surprised if there were problems with completing all of these deals. I'm sure that the costs are ultimately being factored into the money that Sainsburys will pay for Roots Hall but it must be a massive financial undertaking to buy all of those shops and all of those flats in one go.

 

[Mick]

There is a vast difference between Ron Martin offering to buy the flats and businesses and actually coming up with the money to buy them. I am privy to information that I can't reveal on here as I would probably be sued but there seems to some problem with completing the purchase of one of the small flats so don't hold your breath about pizza shops being purchased just yet ---- owner willing or not.

hmmm .... waiting for the next cheque from Sainsburys ?

 

[borientater]

Being the last to sell up puts them in a strong negotiating position , what they are doing is no different to what any football club would do given the chance . ie spurs with berbatov / man u with ronaldo/ sufc with eastwood .

 

[McNasty]

Obviously I'm not privy to any information, however I wouldn't be surprised if there were problems with completing all of these deals. I'm sure that the costs are ultimately being factored into the money that Sainsburys will pay for Roots Hall but it must be a massive financial undertaking to buy all of those shops and all of those flats in one go.

Try one flat. Worrying !

 

[cockles is back]

There is a vast difference between Ron Martin offering to buy the flats and businesses and actually coming up with the money to buy them. I am privy to information that I can't reveal on here as I would probably be sued but there seems to some problem with completing the purchase of one of the small flats so don't hold your breath about pizza shops being purchased just yet ---- owner willing or not.

is this not on line with what I commented on my big rant yesterday???

 

[Tilson_Blues]

presumably if he had a nice English name like Moussa, Christophe, Laurent or Sankofa that'd be ok ?

they are players thats completly diff not some forigner trying to squeeze ervery bit of money from our club we have enough of that in england as it is

 

[McNasty]

they are players thats completly diff not some forigner trying to squeeze ervery bit of money from our club we have enough of that in england as it is

So are you saying the foreign players at the club do not try and get the most wages they can from the club, along with the British ones ?

 

[Tilson_Blues]

So are you saying the foreign players at the club do not try and get the most wages they can from the club, along with the British ones ?

no im not where did i say that? also they are getting paid for the services to our club not mugging our club off when our fans prob eat there if there was a ACCIDENT which made them have to leave i ould not care

 

[OldBlueLady]

no im not where did i say that? also they are getting paid for the services to our club not mugging our club off when our fans prob eat there if there was a ACCIDENT which made them have to leave i ould not care

You really aren't doing yourself any favours.