Leaders Debate - Who won?

[mrsblue]

The establishment have run the country for a billion year's,the establishment give our money away,the establishment never undertake any real work,the establishment invent silly laws to grab even more tax from us.

What have they ever done for us in real terms ?

 

[callan]

Of course the older Brits who are retiring abroad cost nothing to overseas Medical services.. it is the same. We are no angels here.

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...-and-exports-creaky-old-ones-balance-ailments

Lookie a Linky^^^

you really do believe 2 rights make a wrong?

 

[Benfleet A1]

The establishment have run the country for a billion year's,the establishment give our money away,the establishment never undertake any real work,the establishment invent silly laws to grab even more tax from us.

What have they ever done for us in real terms ?

The aqueduct?

 

[Napster]

The aqueduct?

The roads?

 

[Benfleet A1]

The roads?

Oh come on, obviously the roads.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

So you are guessing now...earlier it was a conclusion.

I have already concluded that 2 billion a year according to government stats is spent on health tourism....like Farage I would rather that money be spent on British patients.

If people want to spend money on treating overseas visitors that's fine, do it via charities.

As for the 4200 that are here from abroad, he doesn't want to treat them from NHS funds....according to your party the conservatives are killing the NHS....it cant be that bad if we can afford 2 billion can it?[/QUOTE

not at all, the first time I mentioned it I asked what the conclusion was to his stats and I kept asking and no one seems to have the answer. So his assertion that people won't like what he is about to say is correct because it was all blame and no solution. Maybe everyone else is actually better at saying what they think and he has the guts to point out problems but not the guts to state his solution. My first mention of it repeated below, I stated the two possible solutions I felt he was implying and asked for clarity. Posed as a question all the way through.

What was he suggesting for foreigners with HIV? Repatriation or left to die? Seemed to be one or the other.

 

[Rob Noxious]

But ***, buying your public sector cord trousers from charity shops, and some supplementary Guardian reading from a tramp, is hardly donating to charity. I don't have the stats, in fact no-one would have, but I'd be pretty sure that those on the right donate far more than those on the left - and don't expect anything in return (particularly not ****** trousers that some other scab has worn).

Let's just cut out the arguments and get it over with > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Isn't that up to those countries to clamp down on the abuse of their health systems? And something else you fail to notice(since you seem to be in a wind-up sort of mood tonight) is those Brits are spread out over several European countries, not concentrated in just one.

I think you'll find that Brits abroad in other EU countries especially in Spain and France are roughly equivalent to the number of EU nationals living in the UK.

Nonsense. I was faced with a rather large A & E bill when I got into an accident in Greece a few years ago[/of B]. My retired Mum moved to France a few years ago and they also receive nothing of the kind.

I suggest you take the precaution getting a (free) European Health Card before your next trip to another European country.That way you won't have to pay anything for emergeny health treatment.As has been my own case with recent trips to France and the UK.

 

[Hotman]

I think you'll find that Brits abroad in other EU countries especially in Spain and France are roughly equivalent to the number of EU nationals living in the UK.

Not since early 90's darling. The clue is in the name - net migration... http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/latest-immigration-statistics

#barnabluegetsitwrongagain

 

[OldBlueLady]

I'm actually quite shocked at the poll results. Ok, there's not been a massive vote on it, but did those who voted for him really think Miliband did better than Cameron, or Sturgeon? :nope:

 

[callan]

For the 3rd time of answering he doesn't want their their treatment paid out of the NHS....I don't see why this so difficult for you to get.

So how about this scenario?......They pay for their treatment...no repatriation , not left to die.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

For the 3rd time of answering he doesn't want their their treatment paid out of the NHS....I don't see why this so difficult for you to get.

So how about this scenario?......They pay for their treatment...no repatriation , not left to die.

And you think the kind of sums that treatment for major illnesses cost are readily available to most people?

 

[superblue24]

I suggest you take the precaution getting a (free) European Health Card before your next trip to another European country.That way you won't have to pay anything for emergeny health treatment.As has been my own case with recent trips to France and the UK.

A-ha! The European Health Card....The EHIC will only cover you in countries that has equivalent services to the NHS. So where do we stand on countries where patients have to pay for healthcare and decide to jump on a £30 Ryanair flight to the UK? How do we claim that money back from the citizens own country? Answer is we cant....It's a flaming free-for-all.

Also, to re-iterate my earlier point to Cricko, early retirees are no longer eligible to fill out a form for an EHIC http://www.nhs.uk/nhsengland/health...ges/residual-s1-forms-for-early-retirees.aspx

Cut out the foreigners getting seen to by the NHS and you'll see a pretty decent improvement to the service, you mark my words!

 

[superblue24]

For the 3rd time of answering he doesn't want their their treatment paid out of the NHS....I don't see why this so difficult for you to get.

So how about this scenario?......They pay for their treatment...no repatriation , not left to die...or sent back home

Corrected for accuracy

 

[callan]

And you think the kind of sums that treatment for major illnesses cost are readily available to most people?

Finally it's sunk in....of course not which is why we should put UK patients first.

Regardless of which party you support, the NHS has a budget paid for by British people and is for the British people.

Lets take the 2 billion that we spend on health tourism and use it for our own patients who are suffering.....now I know that goes against the Labour Parties morally repugnant social agenda....isn't it time to prioritise our people and give them the treatment and care they need and deserve?

 

[superblue24]

Here's a better (albeit highly unlikely) scenario for all the bleeding hearts out there. There is a particularly expensive rare drug on the market available....There is one batch left in the UK, the next shipment is due in 3 months.

Your wife/daughter/son has an ailment that could cause death if not treated by this drug inside 2 months....Guess what, someone has come into the country a week ago from Lithuania and nabbed the last one already....Now how do you feel about Farages views?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Finally it's sunk in....of course not which is why we should put UK patients first.

Regardless of which party you support, the NHS has a budget paid for by British people and is for the British people.

Lets take the 2 billion that we spend on health tourism and use it for our own patients who are suffering.....now I know that goes against the Labour Parties morally repugnant social agenda....isn't it time to prioritise our people and give them the treatment and care they need and deserve?

But he likes to play the part of the man who tells it as it is but in this case it's a bit more than that. The 240,000 people who were in this country that he would refuse treatment to - he didn't state what their outcome would be because the options don't make great headlines. When he is being all bullish and manly he fails to connect that with real effects on real people. So in this case they would have to find the funds themselves as you suggest, or failing that their choices would be repatriation or a painful death. Finally we are getting somewhere....

 

[callan]

But he likes to play the part of the man who tells it as it is but in this case it's a bit more than that. The 240,000 people who were in this country that he would refuse treatment to - he didn't state what their outcome would be because the options don't make great headlines. When he is being all bullish and manly he fails to connect that with real effects on real people. So in this case they would have to find the funds themselves as you suggest, or failing that their choices would be repatriation or a painful death. Finally we are getting somewhere....

It's painfully slow AAS, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.


He said that we are treating people from overseas for free of charge....that's how it is...a fact.

He said that we should put British people first....now that is his opinion....you disagree with that....you want to put foreigners ahead of British patients, based on foreigners needs are higher than our own people who suffer....how much suffering pain and possibly death, do uk patients have because this money isn't spent on them?

Out of interest how many people from abroad with life threatening illnesses do you want to treat with money that is supposed to be for the British?

5000?...10,000...100,000....more?

Where does the British tax payers responsibility end?

Should our hospitals just open up to everyone, and provide free treatment for the whole of the world?

If as Labour say the tories are killing the NHS, how can we afford this?

 

[mrsblue]

Health insurance !

The NHS has become a free for all yet is creaking under the pressure and something must happen to stop the insanity of it all.

Farage this morning said "how can the NHS refuse drug treatment for breast cancer patients because it's classified as to expensive yet hand out free HIV treatment to anyone in the world with each patient costing 24k"..That cannot be right.

He also said we give a billion each month for overseas aid...This is our money yet the establishment decide to fritter it away in such a ridiculous fashion.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It's painfully slow AAS, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.


He said that we are treating people from overseas for free of charge....that's how it is...a fact.

He said that we should put British people first....now that is his opinion....you disagree with that....you want to put foreigners ahead of British patients, based on foreigners needs are higher than our own people who suffer....how much suffering pain and possibly death, do uk patients have because this money isn't spent on them?

Out of interest how many people from abroad with life threatening illnesses do you want to treat with money that is supposed to be for the British?

5000?...10,000...100,000....more?

Where does the British tax payers responsibility end?

Should our hospitals just open up to everyone, and provide free treatment for the whole of the world?

If as Labour say the tories are killing the NHS, how can we afford this?

excuse me? Why come over all Daily Mail about this - you know I never said that.