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John Terry and the 'unacceptability of racism'

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South Bank Hank said:
Agreed regarding logical fallacy, just debating the question.

We can't have the CPS being judge and jury before the event but the resultant fact remains the same. The flaw is that you can only apply the thinking in hindsight.
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Hindsight's a wonderful thing. :winking:
 
OldBlueLady said:
That's harsh, he has been found not guilty of the charges and was arguably our player of the tournament during the Euros, and captain of the team that won the Champions League, all with this case hanging over him. He is still one of the country's best centre backs and I don't think he's a thug, although he does - as most players seem to - have an occasional rush of blood to the head. He's done nothing to be banned for, let alone saying he should be banned for the rest of his professional life. Joey Barton he ain't.
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PLUS - he's releasing "African Child" as a single this Christmas which I think will show the world just how good a bloke he is. And not racist, obviously.

I have to agree with OBL, despite being an ignorant cesspit of a human being, a disgrace to our great nation and it's captain's armband, a living breathing multi-gazillionairre footballer tosser, shag-your-best-mate's-wife-up-the-gary-before-heading-to-Dubai-for-a-Hello-magazine-photocall-with-your-own-wife kind of guy, you're right he did play well in the Euros so actually he's probably alright really.

I'd like to set fire to him with one of the £50 notes he was using to light his own farts with last night in "The Cockney W****r" public house in Dagenham.
 
Almost all the people involved in the whole sorry incident/saga have shown themselves to be lacking in class and intelligence. The players have set examples of pathetic imagination in how to wind each other up; and gutter talk generally best left to Bernard Manning and his audience (who know what to expect from him) rather than the country's lounges. As for Terry he has shown his inability to learn from experiences ( i.e. being on camera/tele!) as he showed with his sending off and stories in Champs League. Dumb and dumber!
 
BLUEBLOOD said:
Kay your pro Chel$ki bollocks on every relevant thread is starting to grate a little mate :nope:
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Lee, this is nothing to do with Chelsea, it's a comment on a ridiculous case and how he managed to play as well as he did in spite of it. The case should never have been brought. Nothing to do with Chelsea at all, Terry could play for any other club and I'd still defend him in this instance.
 
EVERYTIME they get mentioned you immediately go on the defensive, i know why but remember you are Southend first and foremost is all i am saying
 
BLUEBLOOD said:
EVERYTIME they get mentioned you immediately go on the defensive, i know why but remember you are Southend first and foremost is all i am saying
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Do you think I need reminding of that???!!! This case was nothing to do with Southend!
 
Its proven he called Anton a black something or other. Thats racist no matter what...He got off cos he had a good laywer.

He is a racist...end of
 
You say that it's proven he called Anton a black something or other. However, the basis for the non-guilty verdict is that it's NOT PROVEN.

According to the judge:

"Weighing all the evidence together, I think it is highly unlikely that Mr Ferdinand accused Mr Terry on the pitch of calling him [the racist phrase]. However, I accept that it is possible that Mr Terry believed at the time, and believes now, that such an accusation was made. It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him."

I know 'end of' establishes that you're right so no one can debate it any further but, having listened to all the evidence, the judge seems less convinced than you do.

Whatever, it's far from proven that John Terry is a racist.
 
South Bank Hank said:
You say that it's proven he called Anton a black something or other. However, the basis for the non-guilty verdict is that it's NOT PROVEN.

According to the judge:

"Weighing all the evidence together, I think it is highly unlikely that Mr Ferdinand accused Mr Terry on the pitch of calling him [the racist phrase]. However, I accept that it is possible that Mr Terry believed at the time, and believes now, that such an accusation was made. It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him."

I know 'end of' establishes that you're right so no one can debate it any further but, having listened to all the evidence, the judge seems less convinced than you do.

Whatever, it's far from proven that John Terry is a racist.
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How can you call someone a black **** and it not be intended as racist?

You know me well enough to know I am always open to debate...end of is just a term of phrase.

A very good lawyer got Terry off. Doesn't mean he isn't a racist, same as someone who commits a murder gets off by a very good lawyer, they are still a murderer, guilty or not in a court of law.
 
davewebbsbrain said:
How can you call someone a black **** and it not be intended as racist?

You know me well enough to know I am always open to debate...end of is just a term of phrase.

A very good lawyer got Terry off. Doesn't mean he isn't a racist, same as someone who commits a murder gets off by a very good lawyer, they are still a murderer, guilty or not in a court of law.
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Read the summing up by the judge in my earlier post. He explains exactly why it could not be proved that JT intended it as racist. Debate isn't just sticking to a view until the world ends no matter what else has been said.

King of Berks said:
Probably the same way I can call a friend of mine a screaming poof, or an ex housemate of mine a dirty ol' dyke, yet not be homophobic. It's called context.
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I've been trying to avoid the phrase 'it's not black and white' for obvious reasons, but life isn't as simple as you make it out DWB.
 
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