Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Actually *** trying to to take this from a neutral position, do you feel this has harmed the Labour party?

And from a less neutral position the polls are suggesting that Corbyn could be the first opposition leader to actually lose seats at a local council election, how would that stand with the party faithful?

These are genuine questions and I know polls can be wrong.

He won the leadership with a massive support so for him be ousted would cause more problems than it would solve. Who would replace him?
Next week we will have a better idea on public support. The rest of the UK is harder to gauge but I know that in London we have a Muslim candidate and Corbyn as a leader and the London press have smeared Khan on a daily basis - and he looks likely to win. Let's see how the public vote. For me Corbyn only performs badly because the press tell us he does rather than it actually happening.
Certainly with a government that have alienated the medical profession and the teaching profession and attacked the disabled and used public money to sell one side of a referendum - against that opposition should be doing well. If the opposition is not doing well against that then we will have to draw conclusions as to why. That may well be a question on Friday but we don't know if it needs to be asked yet.

 

[dloman]

Thank you for the answer. I also think Khan will win especially as the Cons don't have the Boris factor this time around. Strangely I don't actually mind Corbyn, though I obviously don't agree with most of his policies. He does seem genuine but I feel the problem could be the people he has surrounded himself with, like the Livingstone, Watson and Mcdonnell.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Thank you for the answer. I also think Khan will win especially as the Cons don't have the Boris factor this time around. Strangely I don't actually mind Corbyn, though I obviously don't agree with most of his policies. He does seem genuine but I feel the problem could be the people he has surrounded himself with, like the Livingstone, Watson and Mcdonnell.

Livingstone and him are old friends but I think he will now be put out to grass. Watson was voted for by the membership so not a Corbyn appointment but I think he brings some balance. McDonnell - personally I find effective in the way he questions the government. He is another case of the press taking one liners (in or out of context depending how you want to see it) from the past to take him down. I'd love for the opposition to be judged on what they are doing and saying on policy so the public have a proper choice rather than that being hidden under the various distractions.

 

[RHB]

The ongoing business with Naz Shah resigning and then Ken Livingstone adding his Jewish comments has ignited an opportunity for those that don't have Corbyn's best interests at heart to launch a 'Corbyn out' campaign it seems to me. I may have it totally wrong but it will interesting to see what his position is six months from now.

 

[Blueronron]

Actually *** trying to to take this from a neutral position, do you feel this has harmed the Labour party?

And from a less neutral position the polls are suggesting that Corbyn could be the first opposition leader to actually lose seats at a local council election, how would that stand with the party faithful?

These are genuine questions and I know polls can be wrong.

As a fully paid up member of Labour , for over 38 years, my point is no he has not harmed the party. We have to remember we have many right wing papers who can slant a good story to suit their beliefs, similar to the left wing papers . However after the years of having an all most right leaning Labour Party, it is good to get back to the roots of why labour was first established.
If you can the Junior doctor strike, the ones who have got off light are the Consultants , as these were the first people to hold talks, however they deflected this back to the Tories, by telling them to start with Junior doctors, who have a stupid title as many are 30 years and over, yet somehow this is not in many of the papers
People vote UKIP because it's easy to blame the migrants, rather than look at what is happening to a town or employment outside their sphere.
Now I think Livingstone is fool for saying the comments, the same as Khan, however it is freedom of speech that we are allowed to comment against the norm, however one person hurting the party, personally no
Proud to be a labour voter, proud to go the conference and proud of my roots coming from a council estate, making my life better and able to retire at 50, but never forgetting others may not be as fortunate in life or had misfortune to believe buying the houses in the 80s from council would pave the steets with gold, only winners greedy Tories and landlords that now charge stupid rents to people who are desperate.

UTS

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

As a fully paid up member of Labour , for over 38 years, my point is no he has not harmed the party. We have to remember we have many right wing papers who can slant a good story to suit their beliefs, similar to the left wing papers . However after the years of having an all most right leaning Labour Party, it is good to get back to the roots of why labour was first established.
If you can the Junior doctor strike, the ones who have got off light are the Consultants , as these were the first people to hold talks, however they deflected this back to the Tories, by telling them to start with Junior doctors, who have a stupid title as many are 30 years and over, yet somehow this is not in many of the papers
People vote UKIP because it's easy to blame the migrants, rather than look at what is happening to a town or employment outside their sphere.
Now I think Livingstone is fool for saying the comments, the same as Khan, however it is freedom of speech that we are allowed to comment against the norm, however one person hurting the party, personally no
Proud to be a labour voter, proud to go the conference and proud of my roots coming from a council estate, making my life better and able to retire at 50, but never forgetting others may not be as fortunate in life or had misfortune to believe buying the houses in the 80s from council would pave the steets with gold, only winners greedy Tories and landlords that now charge stupid rents to people who are desperate.

UTS

Don't forget John Mann's very public haranguing Of KL at the BBC.He was lucky just to get a rebuke and not a suspension along with Ken,IMO.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Don't forget John Mann's very public haranguing Of KL at the BBC.He was lucky just to get a rebuke and not a suspension along with Ken,IMO.

John Mann's actions bring the party into disrepute IMO

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

John Mann's actions bring the party into disrepute IMO

That, of course, was precisely why Ken Livingstone was suspended.

 

[londonblue]

Yet more of them:

BBC

The Labour party really are in turmoil.

 

[superblue24]

For me Corbyn only performs badly because the press tell us he does rather than it actually happening.

Is this a truth, or is it because you hate the idea that people are (generally) unsupportive of the notion that he knows what he is doing, that he is Prime Minister material, or that he is little more than a maverick with a cult following?

Seem to recall you felt the same way about Miliband before he was trounced in the GE last May.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Is this a truth, or is it because you hate the idea that people are (generally) unsupportive of the notion that he knows what he is doing, that he is Prime Minister material, or that he is little more than a maverick with a cult following?

Seem to recall you felt the same way about Miliband before he was trounced in the GE last May.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.....

Soon enough? We know the majority of the press are biased now.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Yet more of them:

BBC

The Labour party really are in turmoil.

to be honest Labour are in turmoil, Tories are in turmoil, UKIP are in turmoil - it's only the Lib Dems that aren't because they haven't had any election results recently

 

[superblue24]

Soon enough? We know the majority of the press are biased now.

"Soon enough", as in we'll see the results in the elections as to whether the press are fudging the figures or not. Or do the press fix the results there too? Maybe the GE was a fix last May.

Or maybe, just maybe....people don't want Labour in charge.... You thought of that as a possibility?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

"Soon enough", as in we'll see the results in the elections as to whether the press are fudging the figures or not. Or do the press fix the results there too? Maybe the GE was a fix last May.

Or maybe, just maybe....people don't want Labour in charge.... You thought of that as a possibility?

I never said the press fudge the figures merely that they chose what to over report or under report. Livingstone's 'racist' comment has been running as a main news story for 4 days, Cameron / Fallon / Goldsmith's 'racism' surrounding the Mayoral elections has been minor news stories despite the fact that on Twitter there have been Tory grandees stating that their campaign is a disgrace.
The media slant will undoubtedly effect not just results but also turnout and the negativity takes hold.

 

[londonblue]

I never said the press fudge the figures merely that they chose what to over report or under report. Livingstone's 'racist' comment has been running as a main news story for 4 days, Cameron / Fallon / Goldsmith's 'racism' surrounding the Mayoral elections has been minor news stories despite the fact that on Twitter there have been Tory grandees stating that their campaign is a disgrace.
The media slant will undoubtedly effect not just results but also turnout and the negativity takes hold.

Slightly off topic, but I think the reason is because the media are somewhat restricted as to what they're allowed to report on during an election campaign. For example, after the odious creature that is George Galloway won the Bradford by-election they all suddenly started commenting on how awful his campaign had been. (He even called it the "Bradford Spring" to appeal to the Muslim voters.) None of this made the news before the election.

I don't think it's a conspiracy, they're just obeying the rules.

However I personally believe all racism to be wrong, and I'm happy that the idiot Ken Livingston is finally getting his cummupance. If it takes a little longer for the others, then so be it...

 

[MK Shrimper]

Most of our press is owned by Tory supporting media Barons (Murdoch, Rothmere etc) so it's obvious they'll never paint a left wing Labour party in a positive light but skim over any indiscretions by the Tory party (the John Whittingdale incident for example). There's no free press in this country and too many people believe the lies that they print or twist to suit their own ends.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Most of our press is owned by Tory supporting media Barons (Murdoch, Rothmere etc) so it's obvious they'll never paint a left wing Labour party in a positive light but skim over any indiscretions by the Tory party (the John Whittingdale incident for example). There's no free press in this country and too many people believe the lies that they print or twist to suit their own ends.

I don't necessarily subscribe to all of that but it gives me a good reason to post this clip so what the hell.

[video=youtube;Xvi9DjmINpA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvi9DjmINpA[/video]

They would rather you believe in Coronation Street capers, in the war for circulation it sells newspapers...

 

[rigsby]

Most of our press is owned by Tory supporting media Barons (Murdoch, Rothmere etc) so it's obvious they'll never paint a left wing Labour party in a positive light but skim over any indiscretions by the Tory party (the John Whittingdale incident for example). There's no free press in this country and too many people believe the lies that they print or twist to suit their own ends.

There's no free press in any country. USA are even worse as all their news TV networks are privately owned, by a certain group of individuals who all have one thing in common.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Is this a truth, or is it because you hate the idea that people are (generally) unsupportive of the notion that he knows what he is doing, that he is Prime Minister material, or that he is little more than a maverick with a cult following?

Seem to recall you felt the same way about Miliband before he was trounced in the GE last May.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.....

Yes but it also depends how you define a win for Labour.Personally I'd be happy with SK winning as London's Mayor.

It's extremely unlikely that Labour could better Miliband's excellent council results in England from last time around.

Scotland,of course,is now a lost cause.

 

[rigsby]

Yes but it also depends how you define a win for Labour.Personally I'd be happy with SK winning as London's Mayor.

It's extremely unlikely that Labour could better Miliband's excellent council results in England from last time around.

Scotland,of course,is now a lost cause.

Or as they say in Scotland, Labour is now a lost cause

How was your weekend back in Southend.