Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[superblue24]

Since this is a thread about the new leader of the Labour party, I'd sooner talk about Jeremy Corbyn's wonderful speech at Conference today.

"Britain can and must change."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34385586

(But thanks for the invite to stroll down memory lane).

ps.Thought you were talking about "Call me Dave."

You mean the one he copied and pasted from an old discarded speech originally intended for Miliband?

 

[londonblue]

Except he didn't offer him a senior position in government, hence the reason for Ashcroft's strop.

He offered it in exchange for cash, and then reneged, and offered him a lower level position, hence the reason for Ashcroft's strop.

 

[MK Shrimper]

You mean the one he copied and pasted from an old discarded speech originally intended for Miliband?

Any proof of that?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You mean the one he copied and pasted from an old discarded speech originally intended for Miliband?

Any proof of that?

Quite.He denied the charge on the news last night.Even asked:-"Why are you journalists so cynical?"

That would appear to be true of a lot of Joe public too,especially Tories.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So you won't acknowledge that you're wrong on the first point, or elaborate on the second? I'm too pleased with three wins on the bounce to really give you the shoeing you deserve.

Apart from the lack of the word sorry, my answer to your first point sounds pretty much like an apology to me.Learn to read between the lines.It's a useful skill.

 

[londonblue]

Apart from the lack of the word sorry, my answer to your first point sounds pretty much like an apology to me.Learn to read between the lines.It's a useful skill.

Not that this is relevant, but one thing I teach my children is that an apology is only an apology if it is clearly understood to be so by the person that was wronged.

If you're going to apologise surely it's up to you to make sure it is clear and unambiguous?

 

[Benfleet A1]

Any proof of that?

Every newspaper in the country and every talk radio station has carried the story. Is that enough proof?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Every newspaper in the country and every talk radio station has carried the story. Is that enough proof?

Certainly "proof" that the media is biased against Corbyn.

Btw,I haven't seen the "story" in The Guardian.Apart from this reference:-

"He explained that the speech was more than 5,000 words long and 350 words were provided by a friend. “I like the way he put them forward. I like the words he used so I used them in my speech. What’s so bad about that?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/30/corbyn-i-would-never-use-nuclear-weapons-if-i-was-pm

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not that this is relevant, but one thing I teach my children is that an apology is only an apology if it is clearly understood to be so by the person that was wronged.

If you're going to apologise surely it's up to you to make sure it is clear and unambiguous?

https://youtu.be/EkaKwXddT_I :winking:

 

[MK Shrimper]

Certainly "proof" that the media is biased against Corbyn.

Btw,I haven't seen the "story" in The Guardian.Apart from this reference:-

"He explained that the speech was more than 5,000 words long and 350 words were provided by a friend. “I like the way he put them forward. I like the words he used so I used them in my speech. What’s so bad about that?

He explained that the speech was more than 5,000 words long and 350 words were provided by a friend. “I like the way he put them forward. I like the words he used so I used them in my speech. What’s so bad about that?www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/30/corbyn-i-would-never-use-nuclear-weapons-if-i-was-pm

Indeed, non story with the right wing media out to bash JC whenever they can. Sad, but but I guess they're running a bit scared.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Indeed, non story with the right wing media out to bash JC whenever they can. Sad, but but I guess they're running a bit scared.

I think you're right.But then I suppose I would,wouldn't I? :smiles:

 

[Benfleet A1]

Indeed, non story with the right wing media out to bash JC whenever they can. Sad, but but I guess they're running a bit scared.

Running scared. Hmm, not quite how I would describe it. Strangely silent on the breaking news that Putin is sending troops to Syria, I wonder if he would be so silent if it was the yanks doing the same. Russian troops drawing desert kit as we speak and nothing from the man who would rather jaw jaw.

 

[Blueronron]

Indeed, non story with the right wing media out to bash JC whenever they can. Sad, but but I guess they're running a bit scared.

Totally with you on this, thought the speech was brilliant, and its a form of flattery that people still talk about him, I think " "Call me Dave " is worried and may have underestimated the young people of the day in their views

I had the bad years of how Thatcher undermined the people and her cabinet,and maybe DC is facing the same with the common person, will he serve full term ,he said No, and maybe this is a early way out if things get worse for many struggling people in the UK

UTS

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Certainly "proof" that the media is biased against Corbyn.

Btw,I haven't seen the "story" in The Guardian.Apart from this reference:-

"He explained that the speech was more than 5,000 words long and 350 words were provided by a friend. “I like the way he put them forward. I like the words he used so I used them in my speech. What’s so bad about that?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/30/corbyn-i-would-never-use-nuclear-weapons-if-i-was-pm

Read your mandatory Guardian link, try telling the people of The Ukraine that the cold war is over?
Not that it matters - he will never ever be PM and everyone including probably Corbyn himself knows this.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Read your mandatory Guardian link, try telling the people of The Ukraine that the cold war is over?
Not that it matters - he will never ever be PM and everyone including probably Corbyn himself knows this.

I thought nukes were to defend us from countries like China.....? Who Osborne is getting to bid for work to build new nuclear power stations. Eh? What is is Tories, are China our friends or should we turn 2bn people into ash? What is it 'cos I'm confused who we're at war with now.

 

[londonblue]

Running scared. Hmm, not quite how I would describe it. Strangely silent on the breaking news that Putin is sending troops to Syria, I wonder if he would be so silent if it was the yanks doing the same. Russian troops drawing desert kit as we speak and nothing from the man who would rather jaw jaw.

Probably because Putin's motivation for this is to rid Syria of ISIS so that Assad can continue in power. Leaving aside why anyone would be happy with Assad staying is power, this is just my guess why JC hasn't said a whole lot.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I thought nukes were to defend us from countries like China.....? Who Osborne is getting to bid for work to build new nuclear power stations. Eh? What is is Tories, are China our friends or should we turn 2bn people into ash? What is it 'cos I'm confused who we're at war with now.

Yeah, the above makes an awful lot of sense? Actually I think I'm really going to enjoy the next few months seeing a lot of Labour MP's squirm under questioning from those nasty right wing journalists. Make your mind up time me thinks, ban the bomb or not?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yeah, the above makes an awful lot of sense? Actually I think I'm really going to enjoy the next few months seeing a lot of Labour MP's squirm under questioning from those nasty right wing journalists. Make your mind up time me thinks, ban the bomb or not?

Of course. £100bn can be spent better elsewhere.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Of course. £100bn can be spent better elsewhere.

It's only a quarter of the defense budget, after all.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Running scared. Hmm, not quite how I would describe it. Strangely silent on the breaking news that Putin is sending troops to Syria, I wonder if he would be so silent if it was the yanks doing the same. Russian troops drawing desert kit as we speak and nothing from the man who would rather jaw jaw.

Corbyn isn't PM yet.It's DC's call (Geddit)?.:smiles: