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Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

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Tangled up in Blue said:
Just enforcing party policy against the spliters.:winking:

Nothing like the disarray in the the Tories -selling their soul to the DUP-at i million quid a vote.:smiles:
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bad call by Chuka - token gesture at the wrong time, all about picking your battles and all he did was distract from another awful week for May. Everyone knows her days are numbered so need full focus on making that happen.
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
Just enforcing party policy against the spliters.:winking:

Nothing like the disarray in the the Tories -selling their soul to the DUP-at i million quid a vote.:smiles:
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Which is ironic given his past. I wonder how many Labour people wish they'd sacked him for voting against the government a record number of times.
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
bad call by Chuka - token gesture at the wrong time, all about picking your battles and all he did was distract from another awful week for May. Everyone knows her days are numbered so need full focus on making that happen.
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And the way to do that is to sack a load of frontbenchers for voting for an amendment their constituents would have expected them to? An MPs position is to represent the people who voted them into office just as much as it is to represent the party, and a majority of Londoners voted to remain in the EU and the single market. Corbyn deserves loyalty from the front bench but he has to realise that this is a topic that's contentious enough already, without whipping MPs to vote against their constituents. The amendment was never going to pass, so what's the danger of making it a free vote?

You're totally right it detracted from further Tory disarray, but Corbyn was equally at fault as Umunna here.
 
EastStandBlue said:
And the way to do that is to sack a load of frontbenchers for voting for an amendment their constituents would have expected them to? An MPs position is to represent the people who voted them into office just as much as it is to represent the party, and a majority of Londoners voted to remain in the EU and the single market. Corbyn deserves loyalty from the front bench but he has to realise that this is a topic that's contentious enough already, without whipping MPs to vote against their constituents. The amendment was never going to pass, so what's the danger of making it a free vote?

You're totally right it detracted from further Tory disarray, but Corbyn was equally at fault as Umunna here.
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It wasn't a free vote.My understanding is that Labour MP's were whipped to abstain.

As you say, Corbyn dererves loyalty from his front bench, especially when we're likely to have another GE in the next 6 months.
 
so after 2 years of calling anyone who doesn't have a tattoo of Corbyn a Red Tory, now it is Corbyn's policy which is exactly the same as the Tories.
What I find surprising as well, is the useful idiots like Tangled who don't even want Brexit are now supporting the hardest possible Brexit because The Dear Leader has advocated it.
I don't want the hardest possible Brexit so I think those MPs who supported Umunna did the right thing.
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
It wasn't a free vote.My understanding is that Labour MP's were whipped to abstain.

As you say, Corbyn dererves loyalty from his front bench, especially when we're likely to have another GE in the next 6 months.
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pretty much this, I think the three of us can agree that getting this government to fall over sooner rather than later has to be the priority. The last 6 weeks saw massive strides in unifying behind the manifesto and the massive increase in popularity in the party. Chuka's amendment was never going anywhere and was just a distraction. If you listen to the messages coming from Chuka its nearly always about the EU, and that subject splits the country down the middle. The need now is to focus on Labour policies that distinguish them from the Tories - that is how to beat them. By beating them Labour can then take over the EU negotiations and change the track on where that is going.
There is an argument that Corbyn over reacted, but also one that he has to put down a marker - stay on track and get rid of this wretched government.
 
Bearded Shrimper said:
so after 2 years of calling anyone who doesn't have a tattoo of Corbyn a Red Tory, now it is Corbyn's policy which is exactly the same as the Tories.
What I find surprising as well, is the useful idiots like Tangled who don't even want Brexit are now supporting the hardest possible Brexit because The Dear Leader has advocated it.
I don't want the hardest possible Brexit so I think those MPs who supported Umunna did the right thing.
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who gives a **** about name calling really. On here, on Twitter, everywhere it seems to be what people do. Misinformation gets passed around as fact, divisions get invented for spurious reasons, just look at the bigger picture.
Momentum was painted as some evil Trotsky-ite movement, and now post 8th June is generally accepted as a grass roots movement that engaged with new voters and old voters who had become disillusioned. They are extremely well organised campaigners. At the same time the party stalwarts that thought you couldn't win over the public with a left wing agenda have largely realised that is not the case, and that their attempts to undermine Corbyn are what will harm the party and the country rather than what will save both.
Umunna's amendment was very poor timing, that has to be for another day, and that other day will be after this government is toppled.
 
Bearded Shrimper said:
so after 2 years of calling anyone who doesn't have a tattoo of Corbyn a Red Tory, now it is Corbyn's policy which is exactly the same as the Tories.
What I find surprising as well, is the useful idiots like Tangled who don't even want Brexit are now supporting the hardest possible Brexit because The Dear Leader has advocated it.
I don't want the hardest possible Brexit so I think those MPs who supported Umunna did the right thing.
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It's fairly well known that JC and JM are fairly lukewarm about the EU at best.I certainly don't want "the hardest possible Brexit",though I accept that the British people voted to leave the EU (by a narrow majority).FWIW,I happen to think that the best deal over Brexit would be achieved by Labour.

Btw,I think it was Lenin who first coined the phrase "useful idiots.":winking:
 
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