Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[londonblue]

I was referring specifically to the quote from a year ago were he brought the party into disrepute and acted like a gobshite and insensitive but not anti-Semitic.
I don't read the Jewish Chronicle or any religious papers - could you post up a like where he has blamed them please, I'm not aware of what he said there. Thanks.

Nope. What he said was anti-Semitic, leading me to believe he is, especially when taking everything else he says and does into account.

 

[londonblue]

thanks

“What caused offence were those people who opened the pages of the Jewish Chronicle and saw the claim I said Hitler was a Zionist, the claim I said Jews were the same as Nazis and one week later the article saying I had said that hating Jews in Israel wasn’t anti-Semitic. None of that is true.”

I think the notion that a report in the Jewish Chronicle on the subject would hold more sway than a report in most national newspapers is valid, to imply that them reporting it is where the drama starts is not valid. They seem to be misquoting him and he seems to be misquoting them. If everyone just stuck to what was actually said rather than editing the words down then the whole think is a lot less likely to be misconstrued. But instead it just goes on and on.

I prefer this quote:

“It’s somewhat surreal to be accused by Ken Livingstone of fomenting an uproar against him by…reporting his words,” he said in a statement.
“Mr Livingstone’s version of this very recent history appears to be as accurate as his version of 1930s and 40s history.”

 

[callan]

When the first really bad bit of bad news over Brexit negotiations comes out.QED.

ahhh ok...you dont see any recovery then.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Oh they're not short of ideas, I'll give you that. The link with the polls can perhaps be explained by people stepping back and saying "nice idea, how are you going to pay for it?"

The 'how would they pay for it argument' is a bit disingenuous - since 2010 the Tories have doubled the national debt - more than every Labour government combined, there are a list of global companies who pay little or no tax in the U.K. because they have decided to set their own tax rules, the government are going to spend £167 billion on Trident, the government gave the option to leave our biggest trading market without any real research into how that would effect our economy.

Take for example a prominent member of the government - Boris Johnson - in his time running London he purchased at great expensive water cannons that he didn't even have a license to use, a few weeks before his tenure ended he purchased the most expensive and inefficient busses he could find, he cut a deal whereby we pay for the conversion and upkeep of the Olympic stadium and West Ham pay virtually nothing, he arranged a deal with Barclays to sponsor bikes that took his name that was so well thought out that they only ever paid 50% of the bill, he signed off that damn garden bridge which has cost the tax payer how much and will never happen because the sums don't stack up.


How would a Labour government pay for its policies? By doing the opposite of the current Tory government and the Tory/LibDem pact would seem to be a start point.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Nope. What he said was anti-Semitic, leading me to believe he is, especially when taking everything else he says and does into account.

I disagree with you on that.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

When they start appealing to a wider percentage of the voting public who are screaming out for a proper opposition but have the Socialist Worker / Student Union mob instead.

this 'proper opposition' has been vocalised in shrill voices by Cameron, Osborne and May - and all the time they have been forced into U turn after U turn. The reason they take that line on the current Labour Party is because there is an actual difference between the two parties. Blair did a lot of good social work - things that the Tories opposed at the time - minimum wage, smoking ban, civil partnerships. But after they had become law the Tories accepted them and took them on too. As Blair then moved into Academy schools, PFI, tuition fees, the Tory backed war in Iraq - it seemed that the Labour Party were moving towards Tory territory at the point where the Tories we're accepting Labour policy.

The difference now is that there is a noticeable difference. There is a choice. May is on a veeeery long honeymoon period, the referendum is throwing all political allegiances in the air, and the press are more biased than ever seen before. But at some point the narrative may change and the choice maybe presented as a choice rather than some kind of ruling class ***** that seems to be presented to us at the moment. If there really is no opposition then how come the government get so few of their policies through Parliament? They can't have it both ways - either there is a working opposition or this is one monumentally poor excuse for a government.

 

[Gremlin]

The 'how would they pay for it argument' is a bit disingenuous - since 2010 the Tories have doubled the national debt - more than every Labour government combined, there are a list of global companies who pay little or no tax in the U.K. because they have decided to set their own tax rules, the government are going to spend £167 billion on Trident, the government gave the option to leave our biggest trading market without any real research into how that would effect our economy.

Take for example a prominent member of the government - Boris Johnson - in his time running London he purchased at great expensive water cannons that he didn't even have a license to use, a few weeks before his tenure ended he purchased the most expensive and inefficient busses he could find, he cut a deal whereby we pay for the conversion and upkeep of the Olympic stadium and West Ham pay virtually nothing, he arranged a deal with Barclays to sponsor bikes that took his name that was so well thought out that they only ever paid 50% of the bill, he signed off that damn garden bridge which has cost the tax payer how much and will never happen because the sums don't stack up.


How would a Labour government pay for its policies? By doing the opposite of the current Tory government and the Tory/LibDem pact would seem to be a start point.

Spectacularly missing the point to the extent that I hope you're playing up front for Chesterfield today.

The public seems to understand well that implementation of Corbyn's latest bright idea would hit them, the already hard-pressed taxpayer and/or small business owner, in the pocket. And of course they're right.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Spectacularly missing the point to the extent that I hope you're playing up front for Chesterfield today.

The public seems to understand well that implementation of Corbyn's latest bright idea would hit them, the already hard-pressed taxpayer and/or small business owner, in the pocket. And of course they're right.

no, spectacularly making the point that how to pay for Labour policies will be no harder than how to pay for Tory policies a the current government are wasteful to the extreme

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Big new idea for Labour today was to bring in legislation to make sure the major banks retain their High Street branches.:thumbsup:

(can't provide a BBC news link as the laptop's playing up).

 

[callan]

Big new idea for Labour today was to bring in legislation to make sure the major banks retain their High Street branches.:thumbsup:

(can't provide a BBC news link as the laptop's playing up).

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/14/labour-high-street-bank-closures

Allow me, personally was amazed that 11 per cent still use local branches!

A better idea would be to have a policy that insists they all become wetherspoons.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/14/labour-high-street-bank-closures

Allow me, personally was amazed that 11 per cent still use local branches!

A better idea would be to have a policy that insists they all become wetherspoons.

Thanks but it's not the BBC.:winking:

In SC there are 4 local branches of my bank La Caixa,all within easy walking distance, (though I do most of my banking online).

Always a drag though to return to Westcliff and hunt for a hole in the wall (that doesn't charge interest) on Hamlet Court Road, (which of course,used to be a thriving local High Street).

(PS.Much as I like pubs I'm not a great fan of Wetherspoons).

 

[londonblue]

I disagree with you on that.

And therein lies the double standards of the left.

When I get told by a Jewish friend that what was said is anti-semitic and offensive I take it at face value. I don't have the right to tell them they're wrong and that their offence is unjustified. Aldo, the only logical conclusion I can come to is that the person saying those things is anti-semitic. It might be that they don't realise it, but they are. It's not really any different to a person saying, "I'm not racist but...".

This principle was highlighted in the report into the Police handling of the Stephen Lawrence murder. I'm absolutely sure you'd agree that it would be wrong to tell a black person that they're wrong to be offended by racism, so why doesn't the same apply here?

Personally I think you need to re-educate yourself. I don't know where you live but I suggest you maybe seek out a local Rabbi and speak to him. (Please don't think I mean that to be a flippant remark: I don't, I genuinely believe it might be an eye opener.)

 

[Pubey]

Another sensible policy announcement from Corbyn. Only taken a couple of years but seems like he's finally getting the hang of things. More of this please

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-by-10-a-week-for-unsung-heroes-a7687581.html

 

[EastStandBlue]

The Labour policy machine does appear to have kicked into gear of late.

Preparing for a snap election perhaps?

 

[MK Shrimper]

The Labour policy machine does appear to have kicked into gear of late.

Preparing for a snap election perhaps?

May making a statement at 11.15....rumoured to be either a GE or she's stepping down due to ill health. We'll soon see.

 

[Pubey]

The Labour policy machine does appear to have kicked into gear of late.

Preparing for a snap election perhaps?

Get your popcorn ready...

 

[Uncle Leo]

The Labour policy machine does appear to have kicked into gear of late.

Preparing for a snap election perhaps?

Well....

PS - good sounding policy from Labour there. Slight shame that the shadow minister brought in to Five Live to talk about it this morning struggled to talk about how it would be afforded, saying "well, I'm not in the Treasury team so...". Much work still to do, but progress at least.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Slight shame that the shadow minister brought in to Five Live to talk about it this morning struggled to talk about how it would be afforded, saying "well, I'm not in the Treasury team so...". Much work still to do, but progress at least.

That's been one of the biggest problems with Corbyn's leadership for me. The shadow cabinet has been chopped and changed so frequently, and with so few allies many of Corbyn's appointments have had to occupy dual roles, that there's been no real chance for shadow ministers to bed in and get on top of their brief.

Just from my exposure to the renewables space, we've had four or five shadow energy ministers in the last 18 months and the current government just hasn't been held to account.

 

[C C Csiders]

May making a statement at 11.15....rumoured to be either a GE or she's stepping down due to ill health. We'll soon see.

Can't see how it is not going to be linked to Harry Redknapp's appointment as Birmingham manager.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Can't see how it is not going to be linked to Harry Redknapp's appointment as Birmingham manager.

Or docking Millwall 30 points for having Danny Baker as a fan.