Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[rigsby]

As I said,she was quite clear that his case would be referred to Labour's NEC.

Labour is a rule governed political party.It was also quite clear that she's sick to death of defending him.

Having seen him on Newsnight the other night I can understand her frustration.

Yes we know all that but what do you think personally should he be expelled or not.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yes we know all that but what do you think personally should he be expelled or not.

As I said previously,a period of silence from Ken would now be most welcome.

Whether he will be expelled or not is now a matter for the NEC.

 

[Bielzibubz]

As I said previously,a period of silence from Ken would now be most welcome.

Whether he will be expelled or not is now a matter for the NEC.

Is that a yes or a no?.......or the usual Labour ploy of avoiding giving an accurate answer altogether. Your answer doesn't answer his question at all.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Is that a yes or a no?.......or the usual Labour ploy of avoiding giving an accurate answer altogether. Your answer doesn't answer his question at all.

the issue is how best to get him to stop talking and if he is expelled then he is quite likely to take the party to court - which means he carries on talking on a bigger stage. That is the reason you won't get a definitive answer because the middle ground better suits the aim of getting Ken to pipe down

 

[Bielzibubz]

Sorry *** but that's a cop out. We're not talking about an issue of how to get KL to pipe down, we're talking about a personal opinion on whether he should be expelled from the LP. Two quite different questions that have two quite different and separate answers.

 

[londonblue]

the issue is how best to get him to stop talking and if he is expelled then he is quite likely to take the party to court - which means he carries on talking on a bigger stage. That is the reason you won't get a definitive answer because the middle ground better suits the aim of getting Ken to pipe down

What a complete and utter load of bollocks. If he's expelled he can talk all he likes, it just makes the Labour party's decision all the more justified. Moreover, if he's expelled and carries on being anti-Semitic he won't be doing it as a member of the party.

At least you've been decent enough to say he should be expelled. Unsurprisingly I agree.

Unfortunately the party have once again failed to take this seriously. This is a good read:

Grauniad

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

What a complete and utter load of bollocks. If he's expelled he can talk all he likes, it just makes the Labour party's decision all the more justified. Moreover, if he's expelled and carries on being anti-Semitic he won't be doing it as a member of the party.

At least you've been decent enough to say he should be expelled. Unsurprisingly I agree.

Unfortunately the party have once again failed to take this seriously. This is a good read:

Grauniad

not bollocks at all, he has a 2 year suspension for bringing the party into disrepute and to a point he has accepted that but still explaining that what he said was factually correct. The interest in that has a shelf life. If he is thrown out of the party there is very likely to be a court case as that way he can clear his name - and that means it goes on and on and on.
So - I have no interest is wasting my time talking bollocks, I invest my time in explaining the truth. The truth is that Ken needs to be persuaded to shut up in whatever is the most efficient way to do that.

 

[londonblue]

not bollocks at all, he has a 2 year suspension for bringing the party into disrepute and to a point he has accepted that but still explaining that what he said was factually correct. The interest in that has a shelf life. If he is thrown out of the party there is very likely to be a court case as that way he can clear his name - and that means it goes on and on and on.
So - I have no interest is wasting my time talking bollocks, I invest my time in explaining the truth. The truth is that Ken needs to be persuaded to shut up in whatever is the most efficient way to do that.

It's not factually correct in any way. It's a twisted interpretation of one event. You're also missing my point. You said if he's expelled he'll keep talking and the way to stop that is to not expel him. That is a load of bollocks on so many fronts I can't be bothered to go into them as I haven't got time.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It's not factually correct in any way. It's a twisted interpretation of one event. You're also missing my point. You said if he's expelled he'll keep talking and the way to stop that is to not expel him. That is a load of bollocks on so many fronts I can't be bothered to go into them as I haven't got time.

at risk of repeating myself - he is a stubborn man and expulsion could well end in a court case which gives a platform for these discussions to keep going. It is agreed that he shouldn't have said what he said so whatever is the best way to stop it being repeated is a good aim. There is a political gain for some to keep the discussion going, which is contradictory as it just keeps highlighting something that was best not said in the first place.

 

[rigsby]

at risk of repeating myself - he is a stubborn man and expulsion could well end in a court case which gives a platform for these discussions to keep going. It is agreed that he shouldn't have said what he said so whatever is the best way to stop it being repeated is a good aim. There is a political gain for some to keep the discussion going, which is contradictory as it just keeps highlighting something that was best not said in the first place.

What if he had said something racist or homophobic would it be best to keep him as a party member to, as you put it, stop him speaking.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

What if he had said something racist or homophobic would it be best to keep him as a party member to, as you put it, stop him speaking.

he hasn't said something racist or homophobic so it's not a bridge we are likely to cross. The current government have introduced an 8 page 'rape-clause' document to claim child benefit which is seen by many as sexist, and as we know many (mostly Tory) MPs and the leader of the LibDems failed to vote for equal marriage - so if the discussion it to move onto sexism and homophobia there are real cases to highlight rather than theoretical ones.

 

[rigsby]

he hasn't said something racist or homophobic so it's not a bridge we are likely to cross. The current government have introduced an 8 page 'rape-clause' document to claim child benefit which is seen by many as sexist, and as we know many (mostly Tory) MPs and the leader of the LibDems failed to vote for equal marriage - so if the discussion it to move onto sexism and homophobia there are real cases to highlight rather than theoretical ones.

Quite agree sexism and homophobia are far more important than anti-Semitism. After all defending Jews is just not that attractive in the PC world.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Quite agree sexism and homophobia are far more important than anti-Semitism. After all defending Jews is just not that attractive in the PC world.

I can see no evidence of anyone stating anything that ties in with what you just said so must assume the person or people you are agreeing with are the voices in your head.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Indeed but not by trying to tax other children's education. Lots of parents make sacrifices to send their kids to private school its not just for the super wealthy.

Anyway VAT was meant for luxury items so how about higher tax on fast food shops, which is where half the secondary school children spend their lunch hour. Or be really brave and challenge the international tax dodgers but that's not quite as appealing to Corbyn's supporters.

Private education is a luxury item

 

[londonblue]

At the risk of repeating myself, that is complete and utter bollocks.

 

[londonblue]

he hasn't said something racist or homophobic so it's not a bridge we are likely to cross. The current government have introduced an 8 page 'rape-clause' document to claim child benefit which is seen by many as sexist, and as we know many (mostly Tory) MPs and the leader of the LibDems failed to vote for equal marriage - so if the discussion it to move onto sexism and homophobia there are real cases to highlight rather than theoretical ones.

You need to educate yourself. Either you don't consider anti-semitism a form of racism (which explains why the Labour party have such a blind spot) or you don't consider what he said anti-Semitic (which also explains why the party have such a blind spot).

You obviously need to read that article I shared a link to.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Private education is a luxury item

Private education is a choice and an opportunity. Some parents want to provide it for their children and others don't. Those that do should not be penalised as if they are doing something wrong.

Some kids go to summer soccer schools. How elitist is that? Whats wrong with the park and jumpers for goalposts? Perhaps we should put a new tax on soccer schools to provide more money for those who lack such opportunities?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

You need to educate yourself. Either you don't consider anti-semitism a form of racism (which explains why the Labour party have such a blind spot) or you don't consider what he said anti-Semitic (which also explains why the party have such a blind spot).

You obviously need to read that article I shared a link to.

we have been over this many many many many times before. I have invested a lot time and effort into anti racist causes and organisations over many years and as you well know so don't ever try to imply I don't recognise Antisemitism as being a form of racism or any more acceptable than other forms. If you want to imply that then you are no better than any of the other internet trolls.

When I have more time than I have right now I will read your link and we can go over all of this yet again if that is of interest to you, in the mean time please take back any suggestion that I find any form of racism acceptable as it does me a disservice, does you a disservice and does the debate a disservice.

 

[londonblue]

we have been over this many many many many times before. I have invested a lot time and effort into anti racist causes and organisations over many years and as you well know so don't ever try to imply I don't recognise Antisemitism as being a form of racism or any more acceptable than other forms. If you want to imply that then you are no better than any of the other internet trolls.

When I have more time than I have right now I will read your link and we can go over all of this yet again if that is of interest to you, in the mean time please take back any suggestion that I find any form of racism acceptable as it does me a disservice, does you a disservice and does the debate a disservice.

So explain how your actions can be reconciled with your post above because to me they are a complete contradiction, making you no better than other internet trolls.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

So explain how your actions can be reconciled with your post above because to me they are a complete contradiction, making you no better than other internet trolls.

what actions have taken part in that make me a racist?