Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[mrsblue]

Just watched the Andrew Marr Show on iPlayer - Jeremy Corbyn on at 36 minutes for anyone who wants to see it.
Comes across as so calm and positive on this discussion.

I caught the bit when JC spoke about "possible trade war with the EU".......Hammond stated "we wont lie down".....how has Corbyn managed to think trade war I do not know.....never watched the entire interview do not sure if it was subject yo editing

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I caught the bit when JC spoke about "possible trade war with the EU".......Hammond stated "we wont lie down".....how has Corbyn managed to think trade war I do not know.....never watched the entire interview do not sure if it was subject yo editing

your post needs editing! Few typos....
The Corbyn interview was a one on one with Marr, if you watch it all (about 15 minutes) you'll get the full story. As ever it can be edited down to twist what was said.
Newspaper report I saw was headlined 'Hammond threatens EU with aggressive tax changes after Brexit' which translates as 'if we can't attract real trade then we will become a low tax haven'. I really hope that is a misinterpretation because that is shockingly unambitious if that is what taking back control is all about.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

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[Tangled up in Blue]

]I caught the bit when JC spoke about "possible trade war with the EU"[/B].......Hammond stated "we wont lie down".....how has Corbyn managed to think trade war I do not know.....never watched the entire interview do not sure if it was subject yo editing

your post needs editing! Few typos....
The Corbyn interview was a one on one with Marr, if you watch it all (about 15 minutes) you'll get the full story. As ever it can be edited down to twist what was said.
Newspaper report I saw was headlined 'Hammond threatens EU with aggressive tax changes after Brexit' which translates as 'if we can't attract real trade then we will become a low tax haven'. I really hope that is a misinterpretation because that is shockingly unambitious if that is what taking back control is all about.

I saw the full interview too.

There's no doubt that JC was thinking about that Observer headline/article when he talked about not wanting a bargain-basement" future for the UK after Brexit.

FWIW, (as I've stated elsewhere on here), I think PH was clearly trying to bounce the Germans into a better trade deal with this aggressive threat as to what the UK might do if access to the single market is not available on favourable terms.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Sadly, I'm quitting the LP due to JC's insistance on backing Article 50.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Sadly, I'm quitting the LP due to JC's insistance on backing Article 50.

Paul,

If I were you I'd wait and see if there'll be a three line whip.Frankly I doubt if there will be.

Ps (Enjoy the Bolton game tomorrow).Come on you Blues.:clap:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Paul,

If I were you I'd wait and see if there'll be a three line whip.Frankly I doubt if there will be.

Ps (Enjoy the Bolton game tomorrow).Come on you Blues.:clap:

The nasty establishment backing Guardian! asked Corbyn if there would be a 3 line whip. He did not say yes. They wrote a headline saying there was a 3 line whip but if you read beyond that there is not. Same old ******** coming from all angles. They have since changed the headline but long after social media has run with the first one.

Labour have to back the result of the referendum or look undemocratic. But hold the government to account on the detail because there are many different possible outcomes from the next couple of years. I think there is a strong possibility leaving the EU may not happen at all because the task is much bigger than this government's abilities. But if that failure happens it needs to be a Tory failure and Labour will be there to pick up the pieces.


There is the 2nd referendum option that the Lib Dems are edging towards but that seems undemocratic. Let it fail then start from there. Rejecting A50 is not really a viable option, but patience could be rewarded as there is a lot of scrutiny ahead and not a lot of governmental ability being displayed to give any confidence in 'Brexit'.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The nasty establishment backing Guardian! asked Corbyn if there would be a 3 line whip. He did not say yes. They wrote a headline saying there was a 3 line whip but if you read beyond that there is not. Same old ******** coming from all angles. They have since changed the headline but long after social media has run with the first one.

Labour have to back the result of the referendum or look undemocratic. But hold the government to account on the detail because there are many different possible outcomes from the next couple of years. I think there is a strong possibility leaving the EU may not happen at all because the task is much bigger than this government's abilities. But if that failure happens it needs to be a Tory failure and Labour will be there to pick up the pieces.


There is the 2nd referendum option that the Lib Dems are edging towards but that seems undemocratic. Let it fail then start from there. Rejecting A.50 is not really a viable option, but patience could be rewarded as there is a lot of scrutiny ahead and not a lot of governmental ability being displayed to give any confidence in 'Brexit'.

The problem Labour has, is that only Labour MP's in London constituencies had a strong remain vote.Even Emily Thornbury on QT the other night said she'd be voting for A. 50,despite a huge remain majority in Islington.
As you say, Labour cannot be seen to be going against the wishes of the Leave majority,especially not in Midlands and Northern seats.

FWIW,I'd say Article 50 has to be an issue of conscience.I don't expect MP's to be mere delegates, though there are times when they should certainly reflect the wishes of their constituents.This is one of them.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

If labour lose the by-elections in Copeland and Stoke on Trent which is being widely predicted, would Corbyn have to step aside?
Copeland has been a labour seat for 80 years and Stoke since it was created in the 50's. The UKIP leader is looking likely to run in Stoke and being that 69% voted for Brexit in that town, I would say gives him more than a fighting chance of winning. I would concede by the way that if UKIP don't win or at least don't come very very close then they are probably finished as a serious threat.
If the tories take Copeland which again is being tipped to happen, then surely that's it for the current labour leadership. Or is just votes in islington which count nowadays?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

If labour lose the by-elections in Copeland and Stoke on Trent which is being widely predicted, would Corbyn have to step aside?
Copeland has been a labour seat for 80 years and Stoke since it was created in the 50's. The UKIP leader is looking likely to run in Stoke and being that 69% voted for Brexit in that town, I would say gives him more than a fighting chance of winning. I would concede by the way that if UKIP don't win or at least don't come very very close then they are probably finished as a serious threat.
If the tories take Copeland which again is being tipped to happen, then surely that's it for the current labour leadership. Or is just votes in islington which count nowadays?

I doubt if Labour will lose either by-election.In any case the answer to your question is no, as JC said on Marr last Sunday.

 

[mrsblue]

If labour lose the by-elections in Copeland and Stoke on Trent which is being widely predicted, would Corbyn have to step aside?
Copeland has been a labour seat for 80 years and Stoke since it was created in the 50's. The UKIP leader is looking likely to run in Stoke and being that 69% voted for Brexit in that town, I would say gives him more than a fighting chance of winning. I would concede by the way that if UKIP don't win or at least don't come very very close then they are probably finished as a serious threat.
If the tories take Copeland which again is being tipped to happen, then surely that's it for the current labour leadership. Or is just votes in islington which count nowadays?

The other day old Jezza had a prepared speech which he was meant to read word for word,one of the lines had him stating he agreed with stopping freedom of movement,Jezza decided to change that speech because he couldn't commit himself to utter those words.

People across the country must realise by now that any vote for Jezza and friends,is a vote to carry on regardless with his thinking.

 

[rigsby]

I doubt if Labour will lose either by-election.In any case the answer to your question is no, as JC said on Marr last Sunday.

Looks like UKIP are guaranteed another MP.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Looks like UKIP are guaranteed another MP.

Not in Stoke they won't.:raspberry:

 

[rigsby]

Not in Stoke they won't.:raspberry:

Stoke voted out on about 67%, so why, why, why Delilah not.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Labour will hold both seats. Governments don't gain seats in by-elections, Tories don't gain seats off us and Tory Government defo don't gain seats off us.

We'll win both and Corbyn will come up smelling of roses, just like all the previous elections where we've done badly but loads of moderates don't know how to manage expectations so a poor result ends up looking like a good one

 

[Benfleet A1]

Labour will hold both seats. Governments don't gain seats in by-elections, Tories don't gain seats off us and Tory Government defo don't gain seats off us.

We'll win both and Corbyn will come up smelling of roses, just like all the previous elections where we've done badly but loads of moderates don't know how to manage expectations so a poor result ends up looking like a good one

Copeland might be close but I'd be very surprised if they lose Stoke.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Stoke voted out on about 67%, so why, why, why Delilah not.

A tenner says they won't.Loser pays SZ.Interested?

(It's not unusual for Labour to hold onto safe seats).:smiles:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Copeland might be close but I'd be very surprised if they lose Stoke.

Yeah was talking about this with a mate at the football.Could be a Tory gain.

 

[Benfleet A1]

A tenner says they won't.Loser pays SZ.Interested?

(It's not unusual for Labour to hold onto safe seats).:smiles:

The kiss of death swoops in.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Yeah was talking about this with a mate at the football.Could be a Tory gain.

That will be a Labour hold then.