Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

That's just it though MK isn't it. Obvious to you because your blinkered in your opinion and will look for anything that fits that point of view. It's not obvious because she hasn't given a detailed breakdown of how negotiations will take place or what the priorities are. You just presume, nothing more.

As it stands it doesn't matter what way you voted, none of us have a clue what May's intentions are as mostly she refuses to say and the snipets she does let out are contradictory. Anyone that claims to be happy with the process so far is investing in blind hope because nothing else has been offered so far.

 

[Bielzibubz]

As it stands it doesn't matter what way you voted, none of us have a clue what May's intentions are as mostly she refuses to say and the snipets she does let out are contradictory. Anyone that claims to be happy with the process so far is investing in blind hope because nothing else has been offered so far.

Well, I'd say her intentions are to get us out of the EU in the most advantageous way possible. Why would she want to do it any other way? We have to leave, that's a fact. She is the current leader in charge of doing that. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to do it any other way than the best way she can. Now, whether you think she's capable is another matter entirely but what you surely cannot say is that she intends to make a half arsed attempt at it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Well, you and MK will just have to suck it up and accept it then because she's the one there steering the ship. Like it or not that's a hard fact you'll have to accept. And lets face it. YOU wouldn't trust anyone no matter who it was because it's not what YOU want.

You and you're brethren can carry on bleating on about this and that but the end result is the same. We are leaving the EU. Personally I'd prefer a hard Brexit but I'm perfectly willing to accept that that may not be how things pan out. Whichever way it's achieved I'm just thankful it's going to happen.

I tend to agree with you that there will inevitably have to be a hard Brexit.

This will inevitably have serious consequences.

Not least for the future of the United Kingdom itself.As anyone who saw the Andrew Marr show yesterday can attest.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/brexit-may-single-market-scotland-fears




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[Tangled up in Blue]

She doesn't have too. Its the 52% she has to think about. It would be like asking Wycombe what route we should take on our open top bus parade around Southend.

No, she has to negotiate terms which are of benefit to the whole nation, not just the 52% who voted for leave,They'll be getting Brexit,eventually.whatever terms are finally negotiated.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I tend to agree with you that there will inevitably have to be a hard Brexit.

This will inevitably have serious consequences.

Not least for the future of the United Kingdom itself.As anyone who saw the Andrew Marr show yesterday can attest.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/brexit-may-single-market-scotland-fears




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Not so serious in my opinion and why is that such a bad thing anyway. The Scots can't have it both ways. They can have being part of the UK and accepting things that they as a nation may not agree with or they can have a second referendum and if they vote to go it alone, so be it. NS can whine on and threaten all kinds of **** all she likes. It won't have an effect on the overall outcome of our Brexit.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not so serious in my opinion and why is that such a bad thing anyway. The Scots can't have it both ways. They can have being part of the UK and accepting things that they as a nation may not agree with or they can have a second referendum and if they vote to go it alone, so be it. NS can whine on and threaten all kinds of **** all she likes. It won't have an effect on the overall outcome of our Brexit.

The Scots were of course told that the only way they could remain in the EU would be if they voted no to independence.That hasn't worked too well for them,has it? It seems to me that it's HMG having it both ways here. Remember Scotland, (unlike most parts of the UK), voted overwhemingly in favour of remaining in the EU.

I think you'll find that when NS thinks she can win, there'll be another referendum on Scottish independence,leading to the break up of the United Kingdom.

 

[rigsby]

The Scots were of course told that the only way they could remain in the EU would be if they voted no to independence.That hasn't worked too well for them,has it? It seems to me that it's HMG having it both ways here. Remember Scotland, (unlike most parts of the UK), voted overwhemingly in favour of remaining in the EU.

I think you'll find that when NS thinks she can win, there'll be another referendum on Scottish independence,leading to the break up of the United Kingdom.

See what happens when you listen to experts :winking:

That threat was Spain's idea in the first place so the Scots can all blame you

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

The Scots were of course told that the only way they could remain in the EU would be if they voted no to independence.That hasn't worked too well for them,has it? It seems to me that it's HMG having it both ways here. Remember Scotland, (unlike most parts of the UK), voted overwhemingly in favour of remaining in the EU.

I think you'll find that when NS thinks she can win, there'll be another referendum on Scottish independence,leading to the break up of the United Kingdom.

Good! get on with it and f*** off then. Sick and tired of 8.3% of the UK population thinking they can dictate things - oh hang on a minute, under half of the Scots able to vote wanted independence didn't they? So roughly speaking, around 2.5% racist anti English Scots want out. Roughly the same amount of the population who list Jedi as their religion.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

I think people position themselves where they can make a difference. In Lewisham I suspect the attitude is that Labour will get in whatever so new people probably don't feel their involvement will be that effective.In Sutton Labour will be 3rd so I dip in but in Croydon where in 2015 Labour lost to the Tories by 155 votes you feel like your time is well spent and new members instantly feel valued. With the Mayoral campaign being pan London every vote counts so new members in Sutton would again feel the value in being active.


That's my guess.

no, there are new members. they just don't turn up. they turned up to the branch AGM, well, not in great numbers, but in the biggest seen so far.

Even Momentum have been known to complain that these new joiners are just armchair 'click-tavists'

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

no, there are new members. they just don't turn up. they turned up to the branch AGM, well, not in great numbers, but in the biggest seen so far.

Even Momentum have been known to complain that these new joiners are just armchair 'click-tavists'

That's funny. I was talking with a "new" Momentum member just before Xmas, (he was over here to visit his young son).He's an activist down in Bath and an ex-Labour party member (like me).Recently he was invited to give evidence at an all party committee chaired by Caroline Lucas,at the House of Commons.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

no, there are new members. they just don't turn up. they turned up to the branch AGM, well, not in great numbers, but in the biggest seen so far.

Even Momentum have been known to complain that these new joiners are just armchair 'click-tavists'

very different experiences then, and only a few miles apart, but as I say a different sense of impact for new members

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Well, I'd say her intentions are to get us out of the EU in the most advantageous way possible. Why would she want to do it any other way? We have to leave, that's a fact. She is the current leader in charge of doing that. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to do it any other way than the best way she can. Now, whether you think she's capable is another matter entirely but what you surely cannot say is that she intends to make a half arsed attempt at it.

this is the constant issue - you can say what you think her intentions are but she is yet to say what they actually are, we are all still guessing

 

[Gremlin]

If you open your window, keep really, really quiet and listen very carefully you can actually hear the sound of a penny dropping at Labour HQ.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38561501

 

[EastStandBlue]

Finger hovering perilously over the 'end membership' button here.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38568116

JC argues for a maximum earnings limit.Bad news for Premershite players.

 

[EastStandBlue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38568116

JC argues for a maximum earnings limit.Bad news for Premershite players.

And, you know, every UK-based business who compete globally for talent. It's an utter nonsense.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

And, you know, every UK-based business who compete globally for talent. It's an utter nonsense.

Makes a good headline though.:winking:

 

[EastStandBlue]

Makes a good headline though.:winking:

Indeed. 'Labour leader confirms utter incompetence' is quite the headline.

 

[superblue24]

And, you know, every UK-based business who compete globally for talent. It's an utter nonsense.

Definitely. This would have to be a "global" arrangement, not localized to one country.

It's a nice idea and one I agree with. It's "pie in the sky" though and if enforced would massively stifle our growth and economy in the long run. We want to be attracting business and talent, not driving it to other countries.

Bad Jeremy!

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

The Scots were of course told that the only way they could remain in the EU would be if they voted no to independence.That hasn't worked too well for them,has it? It seems to me that it's HMG having it both ways here. Remember Scotland, (unlike most parts of the UK), voted overwhemingly in favour of remaining in the EU.

I think you'll find that when NS thinks she can win, there'll be another referendum on Scottish independence,leading to the break up of the United Kingdom.

BArna I know you think you know everything but you might just like to go on to the Scotsman website and see what some Scots think about Sturgeon. THey are apoplectic about her performance and Kenny McAskil a former Justice minister and SNP has some interesting views. however the real story is that the Scots economy is one of tthe worst performing in the UK and back to levels 7 years ago. QUite breathtaking incompetence by the SNP. I know you like your links its scotsman.com