Jake Cassidy: Released by Wolves

[united we stand]

Here are the facts I stated which are facts that you or nobody else can argue with,these facts have not been manipulated in any way they are simply facts.

I stated he had scored 6 from his last 87 appearances,note I used the word LAST.That is a fact !
Jam implied it would be better using his starts only...so I did resulting in his last 67 starts he has scored 6 goals,note the word last again,this is another fact.

Over to you Columbo .

its impossible to debate with you , you really don't get it . Why did you choose that exact point of time ?
begging of a season - nope
manipulation of the available data to fit your agenda- yep.

here are some some more facts for you as you seem so keen on them . He is the last SUFC player to score a hat trick , he has a scoring rate of one in two. ( (both facts, both manipulating data like you do).

and you STILL haven't bothered stating why you don't mention he played for two relegating teams , yet when Williams went on load you stated that what chance would he have scoring in a poor team ------ ahhhhhh-- off course you cant say that as it doesn't meet your agenda. Please feel free to continue to ignore as you always do when found out

ps. my names not Columbo and I am not mad but please feel free to continue to throw petty insults rather than answer questions if it makes you feel better.

 

[mrsblue]

its impossible to debate with you , you really don't get it . Why did you choose that exact point of time ?
begging of a season - nope
manipulation of the available data to fit your agenda- yep.

here are some some more facts for you as you seem so keen on them . He is the last SUFC player to score a hat trick , he has a scoring rate of one in two. ( (both facts, both manipulating data like you do).

and you STILL haven't bothered stating why you don't mention he played for two relegating teams , yet when Williams went on load you stated that what chance would he have scoring in a poor team ------ ahhhhhh-- off course you cant say that as it doesn't meet your agenda. Please feel free to continue to ignore as you always do when found out

ps. my names not Columbo and I am not mad but please feel free to continue to throw petty insults rather than answer questions if it makes you feel better.

Haha he wasn't a Southend player then,so your fact is simply not true.
You decided to be arrogant toward me in your opening post,old saying "treat others as you want to be treated".

 

[Jumbatron]

I don't think you can criticize someone for using more concise data analysis. We talk about Torres before and after he left Liverpool. Opta and Sky Sports use 'Last...games' to make a point. Geez we go on about the fact we won seven on the bounce and didn't concede in 8. That doesn't mean that we have forgotten the previous thirty-odd games beforehand.

For what it's worth, I rate Cassidy's commitment to the team but we have players like that in Timlin and Deegan. I would rather have someone who doesn't work hard for the team but has an eye for goal and bags us 20 goals in the season. Considering our finances, if we could get him on a cheap contract then he would be a solid player but not as a first choice striker.

 

[shrimperhosk]

what i like about Cassidy with his work rate and tracking back is it takes pressure of our Midfield and we seem more solid with him at times but as always strikers will be judged on goals but for the right deal id take him

 

[united we stand]

I don't think you can criticize someone for using more concise data analysis. We talk about Torres before and after he left Liverpool. Opta and Sky Sports use 'Last...games' to make a point. Geez we go on about the fact we won seven on the bounce and didn't concede in 8. That doesn't mean that we have forgotten the previous thirty-odd games beforehand.

For what it's worth, I rate Cassidy's commitment to the team but we have players like that in Timlin and Deegan. I would rather have someone who doesn't work hard for the team but has an eye for goal and bags us 20 goals in the season. Considering our finances, if we could get him on a cheap contract then he would be a solid player but not as a first choice striker.

If you say you are unbeaten in 8 it is pretty obvious you lost the game before. If you deliberately go back to a meaningless point in time (mid season for same club) because the games before that do not meet your agenda then you are painting a misleading picture. If you then use certain arguments when it is convenient but ignore the same arguments when it goes against your view it is again distorting a picture and pretty sad

 

[Jumbatron]

If you say you are unbeaten in 8 it is pretty obvious you lost the game before. If you deliberately go back to a meaningless point in time (mid season for same club) because the games before that do not meet your agenda then you are painting a misleading picture. If you then use certain arguments when it is convenient but ignore the same arguments when it goes against your view it is again distorting a picture and pretty sad

What is termed meaningless is subjective and I don't think this is the place for a meta-ethics argument. I was pointing out that we all use statistics to make a point, and to criticize one person for showing that a player hasn't been prolific over the last two and a half year is 'pretty sad'.

How is the picture of Cassidy's career distorted by saying he has only scored 6 goals in the last two and half years? It is a factual statement that provides evidence to the argument that he is not a prolific goal scorer. Whether you chose to accept it is largely irrelevant as the person who makes the argument has at least provided evidence to support their claim. By all means disagree with that person, but meta-ethics is not the way to do it.

 

[chapperzUK]

When Cassidy left Notts County this season, they were 9th in League One. From the next 23 games, they only won 4 of them.

Just going to leave that out there .... :winking:

 

[united we stand]

What is termed meaningless is subjective and I don't think this is the place for a meta-ethics argument. I was pointing out that we all use statistics to make a point, and to criticize one person for showing that a player hasn't been prolific over the last two and a half year is 'pretty sad'.

How is the picture of Cassidy's career distorted by saying he has only scored 6 goals in the last two and half years? It is a factual statement that provides evidence to the argument that he is not a prolific goal scorer. Whether you chose to accept it is largely irrelevant as the person who makes the argument has at least provided evidence to support their claim. By all means disagree with that person, but meta-ethics is not the way to do it.

if you cant see why going back to a particular point in time when ANY time before or after goes against your argument , and there is no other rational reason for choosing that time (start of season, start at a new club) then there is nothing I can say to make you appreciate my point. Maybe you can explain why that point in time was meaningful. Maybe before the Morecambe game you would have said we were unbeaten in three matches . Accurate but gives a distorted picture doesn't it.

 

[TruthHurts]

Jake Cassidy

When Cassidy left Notts County this season, they were 9th in League One. From the next 23 games, they only won 4 of them.

Just going to leave that out there .... :winking:

Hi, That's a very good stat

Jake Cassidy offers so much to a team

As I have said before, of course he could score more, however when he starts (whether it be at Notts County or Southend), the team generally don not lose

Please do not be obsessed with goals - his game and overall awareness and team play deserves better critique than goals scored !

 

[mrsblue]

If you say you are unbeaten in 8 it is pretty obvious you lost the game before. If you deliberately go back to a meaningless point in time (mid season for same club) because the games before that do not meet your agenda then you are painting a misleading picture. If you then use certain arguments when it is convenient but ignore the same arguments when it goes against your view it is again distorting a picture and pretty sad

Facts.

Last 87 appearances 6 goals
Last 67 starts 6 goals

My entire point with excluding his early career form is to illustrate his goal scoring prowess over the last 30 months,yes he played for 2 relegated teams yet he has had nearly 20 games with us and still not scored.

Frankly I don't know how else to convince you the above hasnt been altered/doctored/distorted/ they are simple facts.

 

[rigsby]

Come on guys the club and us fans have three massive games in the next two weeks. We expect total commitment from our squad. So lets show some respect and forget the discussion about who should leave the club etc until Sunday 24th whilst nursing massive hangover and sore throat

 

[Jay_SUFC]

I would sign him, regardless of what division we end up in; I like him and think he brings a lot to the team and if you had been scoring for fun, anyone really think a League One or League Two club would have a chance of signing him!!!!

For all those saying 'we need a proven goalscoring'; care to name anyone that we would have a chance of signing?

 

[dannypav]

Cassidy is a very good player and brings a great deal to our team.
His work rate and movement allowed Corr and others more freedom and contributed to our strong finish to the season.
He hasn't scored and needs a goal to get more people on side.
I would definitely sign him.

No facts , no stats , just my opinion.

 

[* ORM *]

I would sign him, regardless of what division we end up in; I like him and think he brings a lot to the team and if you had been scoring for fun, anyone really think a League One or League Two club would have a chance of signing him!!!!

For all those saying 'we need a proven goalscoring'; care to name anyone that we would have a chance of signing?

Kevin Maher :happy:

 

[rigsby]

I would sign him, regardless of what division we end up in; I like him and think he brings a lot to the team and if you had been scoring for fun, anyone really think a League One or League Two club would have a chance of signing him!!!!

For all those saying 'we need a proven goalscoring'; care to name anyone that we would have a chance of signing?

Jack Payne

 

[barryp1]

The hardest task for any club is to find a prolific scorer they can afford and without paying a large fee we have to look to free transfers. I think Cassidy has potential but the biggest problem is the obsession with Corr who misses far more chances than he converts.
There are literally dozens of midfielders that can be recruited so I would try to convert Leonard into an out and out striker. Given time a Leonard/Cassidy partnership could prove exciting.

 

[TJC]

0 goals in how many appearances? No thanks. We need strikers who score.

Kind of agree. We haven't time to nurture a player into a goal scoring machine. We need one now. He may become that player, but do we have the time and budget to find out?

 

[Jumbatron]

if you cant see why going back to a particular point in time when ANY time before or after goes against your argument , and there is no other rational reason for choosing that time (start of season, start at a new club) then there is nothing I can say to make you appreciate my point. Maybe you can explain why that point in time was meaningful. Maybe before the Morecambe game you would have said we were unbeaten in three matches . Accurate but gives a distorted picture doesn't it.

I never said I didn't appreciate your point, merely that I don't think it's right to criticize people for pointing out that Cassidy doesn't score goals and then showing that with figures. A perfectly rational reason for choosing a period with closer proximity is shown by the idea of a striker who has once in the past scored goals but hasn't done so for several years. Would you sign someone based on former glories? Bolton signed Heskey as a PR push and because they could afford him. They never signed him for his goals as you can clearly see at Leicester and Liverpool he had a decent record, yet after that he didn't. Is it distorting the picture to show Heskey's stats after he left Liverpool?

By the way I did say I would sign him, just not as a main striker.